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SEND - children’s needs to be reassessed from year 6 2029?

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missbish · 23/02/2026 06:07

Are they taking the piss? After the struggles parents have trying to secure support for their child, they’re then going to threaten to take it away once they’re due to go to secondary? Ds goes to secondary this year so I don’t think it will effect him but I am so angry for those it does effect.

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Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 21:24

Avantiagain · 23/02/2026 21:12

"You can fake nonchalance but 38% is staggeringly high given the majority of it will go on SEN. It’s too high."

You have provided no evidence that the majority goes on SEN funding.

https://www.local.gov.uk/about/campaigns/save-local-services/save-local-services-how-ps1-council-funding-spent

ProudCat · 23/02/2026 21:22

Must admit, I'm at a bit of a loss. EHCPs were introduced in 2014, at the same time as the SEN Code of Practice. Both were designed to meet the needs of austerity.

I do not understand why parents keep arguing for an austerity approach to education. And this isn't spin. You can look up the dates.

RudolphTheReindeer · 23/02/2026 21:22

Avantiagain · 23/02/2026 21:12

"You can fake nonchalance but 38% is staggeringly high given the majority of it will go on SEN. It’s too high."

You have provided no evidence that the majority goes on SEN funding.

Plus it's completely irrelevant. Port Talbot is in wales who have their own legislation around send and education. The white paper applies to England.

Changeusername1989 · 23/02/2026 21:20

Taking parents to tribunal is costly, and most of the time the LA does it to either hope parents wont fight or to delay.

I do agree that some APs and some independent provisions need to be tighter controlled regarding cost and making sure they are supplying what they should.

But I do feel this is kicking the can further down the street, and if people are up in arms regarding there non sen children being disrupted by sen children this is going to get worse.
And the inclusion the government is wanting will not be inclusive for any child.

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ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 21:17

fossiltherapist · 23/02/2026 21:15

That's called spin.

Perhaps you missed the post where I said “If you take the government at their word (yes, I know!) then they say they will be spending more. Reality may be very different, of course, but that isn’t what I commented on. I commented on what the government has said since we were discussing the publications released today.” Or maybe you just ignored it. I know reality is often different to what is said. My point was about what had been said.

Shinyandnew1 · 23/02/2026 21:16

If the government want individual teachers to teach classes of 30 including very high need children on their own, they need to relax the pressures on mainstream classes-curriculum, testing and Ofsted, otherwise those teachers will just break.

fossiltherapist · 23/02/2026 21:15

ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 21:12

That is not what the government said. The government said spending will increase.

That's called spin.

ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 21:12

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 21:11

The spending they’ve announced is less than the savings they’ll make by making EHCPs and specialist provision far more inaccessible.

That is not what the government said. The government said spending will increase.

Avantiagain · 23/02/2026 21:12

"You can fake nonchalance but 38% is staggeringly high given the majority of it will go on SEN. It’s too high."

You have provided no evidence that the majority goes on SEN funding.

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 21:11

ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 20:48

If you take the government at their word (yes, I know!) then they say they will be spending more. Reality may be very different, of course, but that isn’t what I commented on. I commented on what the government has said since we were discussing the publications released today.

The spending they’ve announced is less than the savings they’ll make by making EHCPs and specialist provision far more inaccessible.

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 21:09

RudolphTheReindeer · 23/02/2026 21:02

Probably because nazi bigot (in your words, not mine) is a pretty accurate description for someone who at worst is advocating for the removal of a certain subset of society with eugenics and at best, advocating for removal of all support for that subset.

Who said that? Can you quote?

RudolphTheReindeer · 23/02/2026 21:02

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 18:56

I think SEN has reached such a level (30% of our council tax - so, quite literally, many houses are paying £100 a month just toward SEN) that it’s now a societal issue and the public have a right to discuss to what level they are happy to fund it.

Very few people want the rug to be pulled out from under the feet of very disabled children. But, frankly, many people will not be persuaded that an able bodied, average intelligence child is ‘disabled’ enough to warrant a £50k a year place at a special school and a taxi costing hundreds each week. It’s not unreasonable.

I do feel the SEN parent lobby can be fairly aggressive and little blackmailing when it comes to this topic. All other areas of spending (pensions, military, foreign aid) are open for debate but if you try this one, you’re called a Nazi bigot.

Probably because nazi bigot (in your words, not mine) is a pretty accurate description for someone who at worst is advocating for the removal of a certain subset of society with eugenics and at best, advocating for removal of all support for that subset.

fossiltherapist · 23/02/2026 20:49

nutella8 · 23/02/2026 20:43

This strikes me as a profound misdirection of limited resources.

An education system works best when it recognises differences in aptitude and builds pathways that suit them. If you concentrate the bulk of time, money and specialist expertise on trying to push every student toward the same narrow academic outcome, you risk distorting the entire purpose of schooling.

From what I’ve seen in my own family, the pattern can be this: vast support is mobilised to help students with significant additional needs achieve broadly average academic results. Those results then open the door to university — often at considerable financial cost — and into knowledge-based careers that may not align with their natural strengths. The long-term outcome can be stress, debt and a persistent sense of being in the wrong lane.

Behind it all is a particular worldview — common in parts of professional middle-class Britain — that the country should be overwhelmingly service-driven and that academic, white-collar work is the default aspiration for everyone. But not every young person is best served by being channelled into that mould. A healthier system would value and invest equally in technical, vocational and practical routes, rather than assuming one pathway fits all.

I think a more common outcome is that children don't receive the support or interventions they need and leave school without the skills or qualifications they need for any pathway and with the entrenched belief that they are stupid and useless.

The announcements today are just about cost savings. Same as when DLA was replaced with PIP and people were re-assessed and left without support.

ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 20:48

If you take the government at their word (yes, I know!) then they say they will be spending more. Reality may be very different, of course, but that isn’t what I commented on. I commented on what the government has said since we were discussing the publications released today.

DrPrunesqualer · 23/02/2026 20:47

missbish · 23/02/2026 20:03

Why didn’t you take advantage of the transport I’m guessing you’d have been eligible for then ? And I’m guessing your job as architects meant you were route flexible freelancing ? Not everyone has that freedom with work

No not freelancing most Architects work in an office within a team except for maybe those who do small scale stuff. That’s not us
dh specialism is education bldgs
and mine historic and religious buildings and offices.

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 20:45

ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 20:43

No, I haven’t.

Do you think this is in the long term
a) a cost cutting exercise or
b) a spending exercise?

missbish · 23/02/2026 20:43

PowerTulle · 23/02/2026 20:39

There’s no definitive test for PDA. It’s based on behaviours - the same behaviours caused by a lack of boundaries

Oh you have no idea. I haven’t seen your tv program, but at 6 years old my DD would have eaten your boundaries for breakfast. Including those that kept her safe, her siblings safe, her home intact and her own body to keep functioning.

As a teen she’s now thriving on an EOTAS package, the first provision of which was equine therapy. She could teach you a lot @Playingvideogames

I would actually like to see some people “parent” Sen kids with their proper boundaries, think it’d be a great fly on the wall documentary watching them get absolutely mentally drained 😁

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ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 20:43

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 20:36

I think you’ve hugely misunderstood the entire exercise.

No, I haven’t.

nutella8 · 23/02/2026 20:43

This strikes me as a profound misdirection of limited resources.

An education system works best when it recognises differences in aptitude and builds pathways that suit them. If you concentrate the bulk of time, money and specialist expertise on trying to push every student toward the same narrow academic outcome, you risk distorting the entire purpose of schooling.

From what I’ve seen in my own family, the pattern can be this: vast support is mobilised to help students with significant additional needs achieve broadly average academic results. Those results then open the door to university — often at considerable financial cost — and into knowledge-based careers that may not align with their natural strengths. The long-term outcome can be stress, debt and a persistent sense of being in the wrong lane.

Behind it all is a particular worldview — common in parts of professional middle-class Britain — that the country should be overwhelmingly service-driven and that academic, white-collar work is the default aspiration for everyone. But not every young person is best served by being channelled into that mould. A healthier system would value and invest equally in technical, vocational and practical routes, rather than assuming one pathway fits all.

missbish · 23/02/2026 20:40

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 20:27

I’m not engaging with the emotional blackmail any more. I’m here to discuss a new policy which has been announced today.

No you’re here to kick worried parents when they’re down. We’ve fought so so hard for our children and will continue to do so, but unfortunately people like you think some of our kids don’t deserve their places in Sen schools, or the legal documents they’re entitled to

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PowerTulle · 23/02/2026 20:39

There’s no definitive test for PDA. It’s based on behaviours - the same behaviours caused by a lack of boundaries

Oh you have no idea. I haven’t seen your tv program, but at 6 years old my DD would have eaten your boundaries for breakfast. Including those that kept her safe, her siblings safe, her home intact and her own body to keep functioning.

As a teen she’s now thriving on an EOTAS package, the first provision of which was equine therapy. She could teach you a lot @Playingvideogames

DrPrunesqualer · 23/02/2026 20:38

SleeplessInWherever · 23/02/2026 20:01

You likely didn’t have to do that, I’d imagine 29miles would have qualified for transport.

It didn’t
mainly because ( we believe) the local council decided he should go to a different school. We disagreed, with very good reason and found a school that fitted all our children

We were the carers and were fine with taking responsibility for getting our kids to school

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 20:36

ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 20:31

No, it isn’t. The law did not change today. No legal obligations have been reduced or removed by the publishing of the white paper. It is important all parents and professionals understand this. The current law still applies and can still be enforced. Many proposals in white papers do not go on to be included in legislation.

Even if they are, it will take years for it to come into force and then for the transition to be complete. Just like it took years for the switch to EHCPs from SSEN to happen.

The government has said their plans will mean spending more. They have also said they “expect the number of children and young people needing a Specialist Provision Package, and hence an EHCP to access support, will return to around today’s level by 2035.” So, not reducing numbers compared to now, especially when you consider it as a percentage since the birth rate if falling.

I think you’ve hugely misunderstood the entire exercise.

ExistingonCoffee · 23/02/2026 20:31

Playingvideogames · 23/02/2026 20:18

It is reducing as the legal obligations are being reduced. That’s literally what has happened today.

No, it isn’t. The law did not change today. No legal obligations have been reduced or removed by the publishing of the white paper. It is important all parents and professionals understand this. The current law still applies and can still be enforced. Many proposals in white papers do not go on to be included in legislation.

Even if they are, it will take years for it to come into force and then for the transition to be complete. Just like it took years for the switch to EHCPs from SSEN to happen.

The government has said their plans will mean spending more. They have also said they “expect the number of children and young people needing a Specialist Provision Package, and hence an EHCP to access support, will return to around today’s level by 2035.” So, not reducing numbers compared to now, especially when you consider it as a percentage since the birth rate if falling.

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