We don't want the government to lurch to the left

@Dorisbonson I said the majority are net beneficiaries….

Don’t be silly. This would only make a difference if millions paid it.

I pay tax. Squeezed middle. Want a fairer society for everyone

Since the increase in NMW and company national insurance contributions

Again other countries have employers pay social security taxes to help fund pensions and healthcare.

As already said we want American style taxes but European services. We need to have a proper debate on what people believe we should fund.

Do I love paying tax? no. Would I be open to paying more? Yes but the burden has to be shared and I want the tax to improve public services.

It's not normal at the moment that people are net contributors over their lives. That's incorrect.

Government spends on average 17k per head of population, to pay that in taxes is about 65k income a year. As you pay other taxes let's round it to 50k a year. Unless you have a 50k a year income year in and year out through your employment you are on average not a net contributor.

Note - the 17k average spend may have increased over the past year or so.

You mean the same Jeremy Corbyn who won more votes in a GE than Starmer did in this loveless landslide?

That Jeremy Corbyn?

I wish a political leader would just tell the public the truth about our economy. They all promise the world, but the reality is that we are fucked, especially if we refuse to vote for anyone who is honest about this.

The Labour Party just don’t get it despite seeing how reform are polling. Even teenagers are swaying toward reform. My woke daughter is also not hating them. She works part time and is so busy but the company can’t afford to take on staff. Yet sees her uni friends desperately looking for her type of job. She thinks it’s bonkers & doing a business degree she’s discussed it with her boss & she’s said he isn’t lying

Has Labour said it was going to increase taxes?

Mosern Monetary Theory? You think that’s the solution? Seriously?

Even if tax and spend results in an IMF bailout when we will be forced to cut spending by the IMF and so there will be a lot more child poverty?

@DrPrunesqualer the housing burden is too high vs other European countries which limits the tax we can collect from them plus there is intergenerational inequality.

news.sky.com/story/uk-spends-more-on-housing-than-almost-any-other-developed-country-and-gets-the-least-value-from-it-too-13099925

Labour sold in fully funded, fully costed and then that first budget with NI and debt, it hasn’t helped.

Ik mn is quite tax happy with the tax me or them more but I don’t think the electorate is. Plus people just buggering off as suggested below makes the situation worse.

How would you change the tax system to make it more fair?

If you are happy to pay more taxes please do so. There is a HMRC mechanism of voluntary overpayment.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/voluntary-payments-donations-to-government

Please don't make excuses crack on and give as much as you can other wise it's just dead empty words.

You are 100% right. Since the increase in NMW and company national insurance contributions the local company I work for with approx 200 staff has had to make redundancies and has a recruitment freeze, we will not be getting a pay increase this year. My son, as a student, is trying to find part work and there is absolutely nothing available - friends of his who graduated last year still don't have jobs, the student loans they took out are stacking up with interest and they have no jobs to even start paying back this educational tax.

I hate to say it but there was growth for our business under the final years of the Conservatives. However thanks to Labour this country is absolutely going to the dogs - it's terrifying.

Cannot believe I fell for it and voted for them. Never again.

I believe the ability to afford housing in parts of Europe is also aided by young adults living at home for longer too
Although home ownership in places like Germany, Austria etc is lower than the U.K. in part due to lower rents.

Of course they can, and they’ll likely vote for services to be cut and then later complain when those same services collapse.

I can envisage that people who say now that they think across the board cuts are necessary, will later complain that their state pension is crap.

@EasternStandard so if you don’t want to taxes to increase what services would you be happy to cut?

Taxes are going to rise just because of the ageing population alone.

WHAT LOOPHOLES? As someone whose job it is to know about loopholes I hate to break it to you but HMRC are doing as well as they can here. They’re not turning a blind eye to a massive pot of gold! Why would they?????

Bargepole45 · Today 14:08

Tax and spend is a left wing philosophy. A lurch to the left will undoubtedly include higher taxes and more public spending. The lifting of the two child cap will just be the start

Hmm. Lets not bother with potholes, or more NHS staff. Perhaps we can sack another 22,000 Police? I mean, we don't want to spend any money improving things, do we?

Was I imagining it or did I watch a video of a woman saying one of the Reform Party (I’m going to have to look this up) wants to tax women who don’t have children more than those who do..?

I think we have a fundamental issue with entitlement in the UK.

Lower earners invariably believe they are paying their way and higher earners are the ones not paying their fair share. Of course the opposite is true however this misconception makes it extremely difficult to resolve any unfairness in the tax system.

A 2 adult household needs to have around 100k income between them every single year of their working life to not be a net drain on the public purse, significantly more if they have a lot of children.

The uncomfortable truth is that a growing majority are entirely bankrolled by a diminishing minority and that simply isn’t sustainable in the long run.

Why the obsessive and repetitive use of the phrase 'lurch to the left'? You sound unhinged. I hope labour do move to the left. The steady drift to the right is whats causing the current mess we're in and the sooner they bring in some proper left wing policies the better. They also need to be considering electoral reform as the majority vote in this country is against the parties of the right cos most people do actually care about others, despite what farridge and the tories want us to think.

I imagine I'd I'd look at the broad spectrum tax avoidance schemes / ways in which individuals / businesses (including 'lifestyle businesses' that aren't ever intended to make a taxable profit) optimise their tax liability and see which ones I could target.