We don't want the government to lurch to the left

whilst I am not an ‘older voter’ I don’t blame any demographic. That’s far too simplistic and simply an easy blame gameThe bullies and the selfish, the takers and the givers, the hardworking and work shy …which way do they vote. It’s not an age thing it’s an attitude thing

But governments and the electorate have ignored the young for years and the impact is playing out now. Look at wage stagnation, housing costs vs salaries, the job market, cost of childcare, education funding etc.

Irate😂

Just enjoying winding you up really. Much more fun than getting irate.

Feeling pretty chilled really. Just hate right wing. And people who tell me what to do. Like ‘step away’

Who the fuck do you think you are? Step away😂

I disagree. You never know when you will need what the welfare state provides. DH and I have decent salaries and I would have said were 'net contributors' - up until the point where our daughter became seriously ill. The amount the NHS spent on her over 3 years was in the 100s of 1000s (making us net beneficiaries now I guess). I would much rather have the peace of mind that publicly funded healthcare is there. My ex-flatmate was American and her (middle class, insured) father was crucified by health care costs. (Happily DD is now recovered and at uni - hopefully she will get a job that helps her pay some back, but I'm more than happy to pay taxes so other sick kids are looked after).

No in this case they have MH issues due to lack of work. Read the threads. Of course it’s tough on a young person to apply to a huge amount of jobs and get nowhere.

Read the ‘brutal job market’ thread and the engineering ones.

You subscribe to the majority of funds reaching the children?

I agree
it is a travesty and the increasing numbers leaving really needs to be addressed.
however

whilst I am not an ‘older voter’ I don’t blame any demographic. That’s far too simplistic and simply an easy blame game
The bullies and the selfish, the takers and the givers, the hardworking and work shy …which way do they vote. It’s not an age thing it’s an attitude thing
Perhaps if everyone jumped back to life in the 40s,50s,60s they might be more aware and point the finger less.

I would get rid of the minimum wage. We are already subsidise people to a certain level. It would be far better to be getting business to pick up more of that bill and get services delivered than to just keep the same bill and have people sitting on their arses. There are lots of roles that just don't exist because the economic value is less than the minimum wage. You would say those businesses are unviable and the worker don't deserve those jobs and are better unemployed. I would say that those workers are being doing a job than wasting their lives on their sofa.

Everyone working funded by the state - how much more left wing can you get.

@DiySteve so how do you recruit & retain staff into the NHS by reducing the pension, would you increase their salaries? The ones on the great pensions will of course be the experienced highly qualified staff eg consultants as opposed to porters so have more job opportunities in general.

Don’t worry, OP.

There is probably a strong correlation between being a welfare recipient, and being in favour of a Labour government.

Hmm, all these adult DCs with mental health problems, who was in government while they were growing up? And why are MH and SEN higher in deprived areas? And why are those areas deprived? And why are we having poverty in homes were people work?

OP maybe if your business isn't doing well and you cant pay staff or afford your own tax, then you just need to accept the market forces are dictating that there's less demand for what you're offering?

They just don't want to🙄

I give up.

The public did not want the two child cap to be abolished

I’m not against this as don’t want more dc in poverty.

Whatever did we do 20 years ago for care homes restaurants, nurseries shops?
Oh yes, they paid decent wages and the price of the things that they bought without Credit adjusted accordingly
It was only once we had these surges of credit cards introduced to the economy that things started to go tits up very much like America
And now nobody can manage without it

Thank you for your generosity - you can of course make voluntary payments direct to HMRC.

In the interim and FYI.

NHS pension costs represent a significant portion of the health budget, with employer contributions rising to 23.7% of pensionable pay as of April 2024, up from 20.6%. Total taxpayer-funded employer contributions for NHS pensions reached over £17bn in 2024-25, and with total pension liabilities exceeding £457bn, the scheme is unfunded and underwritten by the Treasury.

There is a fair bit of ground between "high" wages and looking to the likes of Nigel Farage to do away with NMW because in an ideal world you'd like a return to "casual" contracts with no employment rights, and a typical hourly rate of £5 per hour.

If you are in the latter situation, then you are either a mercenary profiteering shitehouse, in which case I have no sympathy for you, or you are running a business which isn't viable, in which case I have a degree of sympathy for you but still draw the line at gutting employment law just to prop up your failed venture.

All governments have gone along with in work benefits however we have loads of people deliberately working part time to keto benefits going. It’s not all about poor wages. Lots of the issues are about not working full time

I work p/t partly for ease (small dc) but full time mean any extra earnings are taxed at the higher rate. The cliff edges also have an impact.

OP, you put this post up in the middle of day on a working day and have already got 258 replies.

Perhaps that points towards a skewed sample. Same with opinion polls, people who work / run businesses are too busy to participate.

I don’t think we will be taxed any more on PAYE as a result of labours actions
Lots of people sat on their arse is doing very little for their compounded interest should be taxed until they squeak
Hopefully, they will be

Bloody well wish we could get a left wing government in this country but don't think it's ever going to happen.

Don’t worry payroll employment is down under Labour already and more taking benefits. So fewer jobs for dc and threads from stressed posters re adult dc suffering MH due to being stuck at home.

So you'd close most carehomes, nurseries, restaurants, shops as unviable businesses. Great I'd love to live in a country like that.