...to think Angela Rayner needs to wind her neck in?

I have said I think we should wait to know exactly what KS knew before deciding whether to be loyal about this issue. At the moment, a leadership contest would be destabilising for the party but also and more importantly for the country, and it should not be entered into until we know exactly what went on. It may be that at that point,KS will have to go.

You are trying desperately hard to make out it is just women MPs who are speaking out against him, but it's not. It's men and women who are on the left of the party and who have never supported his leadership.

ETA: I find it really weird that people are always trying to make out that KS is sexist. He has plenty of women in his cabinet, including the first woman Chancellor, who many off the same people who call KS sexist will happily characterise as Rachel from accounts. Cheering on the left of the labour party while being gender critical is...a choice.

Well you might not want people criticising Starmer, not sure why so loyal, but his own MPs are, it looks likely he could go.

Good for the women in politics calling out male power and bad decisions, something else Kim raised. She felt silenced over the Mandelson appointment when saying it was a poor one.

Johnson is on the left of the party and this is not the first time she has been critical of KS. I have no idea what being male has to do with it, but she absolutely would sit well on my list, she just isn't as well known as the others.

I agree.

To even get selected as a candidate is a hell of an achievement for a working class woman who left school at 16 and was a single parent not long afterwards. And that makes a lot of men in politics feel threatened.

And the issue with the stamp duty on her home isn't a big deal imo and I'm mystified as to why whoever did her conveyancing didn't check it out properly.

I was always under the impression that a property held in trust for another person (which hers is) doesn't count as yours. It certainly doesn't when it comes to means-tested benefits, and I don't get why stamp duty treats it any differently. If I had a disabled child whose home I wanted to protect, I'd probably do the same.

The £30k underpayment is small change compared to the amount of inheritance tax rich people avoid by putting their estates into family trusts, like the Drax family, who are estimated to own land worth £150m before you even start looking at other assets. I don't recall anyone kicking off about that when Richard Drax was an MP.

Not unnamed no. Leading Times Radio News headline.

Kim Johnson ‘his position is irredeemable’.

Not male and not in your list. Female Labour MPs speaking up and good on them.

No one needs to worry about Angela Rayner becoming the next PM, the British Labour Party won't elect a woman. It seems to be the only time they know what one is.

I think she should go for it incidentally. It looks like Starmer is on the ropes, Labour MPs being very blunt he should go today.

Who? McDonnell, Maskell, Lewis - the ones who've been saying similar since they got in? Or the unnamed 'sources' all the Tory journos are breathlessly quoting? Plenty of MPs have also voiced their support, or at least stated this is absolutely not the time for a leadership contest and we need the full facts before it can be decided whether this is the end for KS. Of course, those who don't support Labour will be hoping she goes for it as it will be a disaster, not necessarily because of who she is but because of how it will further divide the Labour Party and get in the way of them cleaning up the absolute shit show left by the Tories.

Have you ever seen/heard her in the HOC? Nothing embarrassing about that.

I didn’t say it was bread and water-I said I didn’t think people on the Left should live on bread and water. I don’t mind people on any side having wealth so long as it’s honestly and ethically gained and if they’re in public life they are open about it.

I quite like Angela Raynor and she definitely gets treated badly in the press as a result of sexism and snobbery. However, I do think she should wind her neck in at this point, as should all the MPs on the left of the party who see this as an opportunity to get rid of Starmer, which is what they have wanted all along. It's naked opportunism on her part - not a good look at all and not good for the country. However admirable her achievements are (and I agree that they are) anyone who thinks she can take over as PM now and the press and country will get behind her and Labour will turn a corner and see off Reform is absolutely delusional. At this point, she and everyone else in her wing of the party needs to sit down, shut up and show some professionalism and unity until the documents have been released and investigated and we know exactly what we are dealing with.

Rayner should absolutely not be allowed to come back. It’s bloody ridiculous - found to have done wrong and then potentially let back to be a potential prime minister a few months later?! As far as I’m concerned she should lose her position as mp and never be in parliament again. How many times did they let Mandelson back and now look what’s come out!

Oh change the record. Any thread with a letter of the alphabet in the title these days and it's "pity the poor tax payers and orf with the heads of benefits claimants!"

£4.7m isn’t bread and water, people don’t mind wealth if it’s their side I guess.

I think she should go for it incidentally. It looks like Starmer is on the ropes, Labour MPs being very blunt he should go today.

I'm a working class Northerner and I would die of embarrassment to see her on the world stage. Local union agitator, fine, PM, absolutely not.

It does a little, yes. But she does own two properties,doesn’t she? And she gets a reasonable salary and I don’t think just because you’re on the left you should live on bread and water. So long as it’s honestly and ethically come by, fill your boots, IMHO

You wouldn’t get banged up either. You be notified and given the option to pay it back. It happens, people fuck if their taxes all the time. They get a letter and pay it. They don’t go to bloody prison.

everyone needs to stop being extra.

It looks like an overview from Google. Does that figure surprise you?

Source for those figures, please?

It’s amazing the assumptions people make based entirely on accents……

One time, he tried to fire he

she refused to be fired and he back tracked

his card was marked from then

I don’t support labour (green leftie) but I like her 😂

What an unpleasant post.

Err I grew up in one of the worst parts of Bristol. Violence and crime was common. I went to a school where out of 242 one went to uni at 18. I got a job in insurance, then worked for myself as a gardener but I saved and took advice and retired at 55...it worked for me and at least 20 of the 242 have retired before 60.

She’s a tax cheat and a grifter and it’s entirely possible to be working class without being uneducated and uncouth. She’s insufferable and should have been sacked completely.