To wonder why people keep voting SNP?

I've voted SNP in the past and probably will again. I don't agree with all of their policies - gender being one ,- but it is one policy amongst many.

After almost 2 decades in power they have most certainly made mistakes but so does every other government that has been in power for a long time. But at the end of the day my political beliefs are fairly liberal. They are the party which closest represents more of my views than any other.

I’m not a Scot, but I guess they have their reasons.

I don’t understand why people would vote Green, with their idiot leader, but each to their own. 🤷‍♀️

I live in Scotland. I support Scottish independence.

However the SNP have done a pretty shit job of governing the country (as have the Scottish Greens, during their time in power - with very little to show for it in terms of environmental policy/ impact), there is loads of corruption and political posturing - and made it obvious in recent years that they have no real interest in making independence a reality.

If we ever get independence, we obviously wouldn't need the SNP any more, and they would become utterly irrelevant, which tbh is a great reason to vote for this!

All of the political parties are spectacularly bad, I haven't come across any particularly great politicians yet but have met plenty of dire ones, extremely self-interested and using their positions to enrich themselves and their relatives/ pals. I'm going to find it very hard to vote for anyone at all in the upcoming elections.

"the world doesn't care where the pollution comes from" is a rather weak argument. Wherever it comes from matters and the UK can't point the finger at other higher polluters until it does all it can to limit it's own pollution. If Scotland went indie it would rely almost totally on the FF industry for it's cash. That isn't sustainable in more than one sense.

"China is the largest generator of embodied trade carbon emissions, meaning a portion of these emissions are linked to products exported globally. China produces over one-third of the world's manufactured goods."

"The country is the world's largest investor in renewable energy...with China accounting for US$126.6 billion or 45% of the global investments"

Equating their domestic consumption to ours is only part of the story.

So your snp lovely future includes men on women’s hospital wards, rape crisis centres, hostels and women’s aid accommodation?

youre in agreement with your ex Dear Leader that Isla Bryson, Katie Dolatowski and Amy George are all the true victims who are being hounded and treated unfairly for people wanting them to be tried as the males they are?

Well to be fair Nicola Sturgeon tried. She needs the UK government to agree to a referendum and they’re not interested. There is nothing the SNP can do without UK agreement.

This.
I have seen the behavior from within.
Toxic take downs of decades long members who dared to speak up. Going from a member lead conviction party to to a powerful clique led party who are solely interested in devolution and keeping themselves and their hangers on on the gravy train.
In recent manifestos , the labour party mentioned independence more often than the SNP did.
I place this at the door of Sturgeon, a liar who I believe along with her coven should be in prison.
The New SNP needs to go.

I’m a floating but non-Indy voter and our local Labour MSP has been excellent. We were quoted a 2 year wait for a medical appointment, he agreed it was appalling and got an appointment for 2 weeks time. He was also helpful with schools ludicrous failure to safeguard my child (and the rest of my child’s class). Non-SNP MSPs are useful when it comes to mitigating the affects of the SNPs disastrous policies. I’ve never contacted an SNP MSP but judging their performance in Parliament they would do nothing but deny an issue exists.

For those wanting an independent Scotland why? The country would be SO much poorer. What are you getting in return? Why is it worth the consequences?

The SNP were a single-issue party and finding themselves in government and in need of more candidates to stand for elections they just kept winning, they became a very broad church without clear policy.

I liked a lot of what Nicola Sturgeon wanted (reduce child poverty, address the drug and alcohol problem, taxing higher earners). Unfortunately, it never exactly came to fruition and some things just got worse. I don’t even know what they really stand for anymore. That said, I’d vote for anyone to keep reform out.

You are very wrong if you think the SNP are remotely interested in independence. The current party are not.
Many independence supporters just havent figured that out yet.

I vote SNP because, despite everything, I still fundamentally believe that Scotland can and should be independent.

Plus my MSP is great, which is in stark contrast to the absolutely useless twat I have for a Tory MP.

I’m an Independence supporter, but even if I was not, I have and still would, would vote SNP up here. They care locally, and about Scotland - my SNP MP was great (currently have a Labour bloke who lives in England, doesn’t know the area and who is worse than useless). Scottish Labour is a joke and an embarrassment, you wouldn’t let any of them run a bath. Tories are not very popular up here apart from certain areas, and the ones I do know (my local council has quite a few) are in it for the gravy train as much as Labour. Scottish Greens are sadly a joke - that Zack bloke down south may well help things if he pops up here now and again, but our Scottish Greens have, err, lost their way a bit. I can totally see why people here, as much as down south, feel politically homeless.

The problem with that argument about emissions is that the environment doesn't care if the CO2 is produced by one person in Edinburgh or 100 people in China. It's the absolute amounts that count and unless politicians in China, India, Russia & N American make drastic policy changes global warming will continue regardless of what Scotland does. China's consumption emissions are rapidly increasing as their middle class expands. Domestic consumption emissions (adjusted for trade) are now the same per capita in China and the UK - largely due to coal generated power in China. Only the Chinese government can change that.

https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/per-capita-co-emissions-in-china-now-match-those-in-the-united-kingdom

I dearly want independence for Scotland but am so disappointed with the SNP. that I do.not think I could bring myself to.vote for them again. Poor policies, mediocre (or.worse).SNP politicians, complete lack of accountability or transparency, party itself also ridden with cliques and a closed shop. Scottish Greens just as bad. Very depressing.

Has there been a successful country which has transitioned from not independent to independent other than by war, by a colonial power relinquishing control AND maintained or improved living standards? I can thi.k of Czech Republic/ Slovakia but that was more a 50/50 split. Sudan/ south Sudan - aye right that went well, not. Much as some NatZ like the vision of us puir scoats slaves toiling under English plantation owners - get real.

The not Tory, not labour and what have the natz ever done for us sadly draws people to reform. That will end badly, but reform, based on immigration policy not devolved is cloud cuckoo land.

More devolved powers - yes. As was promised... Whose offering that?
Sadly both the Scottish Labour and Scottish conservatives have decent people. Unfortunately people will.look at Westminster's performance.

The point isn't that the UK/scotland don't produce as much Co2 as other countries, it's that every country needs to cut down, and drastically.
China is leading in sustainable tech, yes they consume too much fossil fuel but they also use a lot of solar etc.
Don't point the finger at china when you buy their products. If we included the Co2 used to produce and transport everything we buy from China our Co2 contribution would be way higher.

Sometimes the tree votes for the axe because it's handle is made of wood

People vote for the SNP for two reasons. Either they still are clinging to the false hope that the SNP will get independence for Scotland or they are voting tactically to keep out Tories/reform.

I’m really fucked off with Keir Starmer as at one point it looked like Labour would overtake the SNP but he’s made such an arse of things that that hope has died.

the SNP are absolutely vile. I don’t know how anyone could vote for such a cruel party that is fighting to put male rapists in cells with vulnerable female prisoners. They’re disgusting.

They’ve made such a mess of Scotland.

Yes I do know a few medics who seem to be pro Indy. How do they think they will be paid afterwards? With a country losing about 15% of its budget do they not think there will be pay cuts and redundancies in the NHS, as well as other areas of the public sector? Are redundancies such a foreign concept to them? Are they not at all worried about being paid in a new Scottish currency that will be devalued over night when their mortgages won’t be?

Yes I am a woman and I have reservations of course about various policies, including women's rights

But I can never vote Tory or Reform or for any right wing party because they are at total odds with my views. The Labour Party, which I was a member of many years ago, is a travesty of what it used to represent. So as far as I'm concerned there is no party that fully represents all my concerns.

By voting for a pro independence party i hope that at least at some point Scotland will have the independence to determine it's own future.

"Scottish independence" is an ideal - the same as "Brexit".

Day one after a vote for independence and the Scottish negotiators would meet with the Rest of UK negotiators, we want this, that and some of that. You can have some on this, all of that but not the other. Yes, no, yes - have some of that.
Did those who voted Brexit get the Brexit they wanted? I doubt it. Would probably independence voters accept whatever was finally negotiated? No, " nasty English stole it from our poor deluded innocents".

If a vote for independence was followed by a "are you in favour if the independence we have negotiated for you before finally adopted?"such as John major proposed after the event for Brexit it would give the people a final choice.

The 2014 referendum was a" once on a lifetime opportunity. It was close. There was and is a lot of support for independence. Who makes the support up- a lot of Professionals and state employees who will not be adversely affected, are needed to run medicine, law and council services. A lot of people relying on the state for financial support, so nothing to lose.

2014 - a close run referendum. So if you were in charge of the losing side whom you go all out to impress the no voters? Entice and reassure investors, businesses, and people likely to set up businesses in the country. No, a ferry building contract years and years late, millions over budget. Criminal tartan todger Isla Bryson with "her" penis clear in "her" leggings going to jail. Countless other foul ups - recycling scheme. Pick the easy one, in use in the US and Canada. No, rely on the supermarkets to buy expensive machinery built at great cost to companies to run on electricity to sort waste. From a green party presumably wanting to cut use of fossil fuels.

A vote against 14 years of the conservatives or a vote against a year and a half of labour by supporting a party who has had a 19 year Reich is not a wise idea.

That is not “broadly true”!

Somehow the idea has taken root among the losers that the referendum was a knife-edge, but it wasn’t at all. The margin was 11%, which is massive. The polls never indicated a Yes win. Only two areas voted Yes, plus the artificial Glasgow council area shorn of its suburbs (Glasgow as a whole voted No).

The fact is it was a resounding rejection.

The last referendum was a 50 50 split wasn't it? Has that changed?

I think the SNP are the best of a bad bunch. Saying that, free university fees and a free prescriptions are such a benefit to us through them.

I want independence also.

Why? @Daytimenighttime?
are you female? Don’t you care how much they seem to hate women’s rights and safety?