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To wonder why people keep voting SNP?

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Carla786 · 31/01/2026 05:34

I don't know a lot about Scottish politics and I may be missing important things they've done. However, I used to have a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon but her handling of gender critical issues has destroyed that. The SNP do not seem very effective at reducing drugs, poverty, or other serious issues.
My understanding was that quite a few people vote SNP not because they want independence (which most Scots appear to not want) but because they think the SNP are more committed to Scotland sorcifically than Tories and Labour. How accurate is this though..?

Since most Scots appear to not want independence, I thought the SNP was probably high achieving in other areas & Tories & Labour seen as poor by comparison. Or is it more often seen as the best of 3 bad options? Or is SNP much more positive than the impression I've got?

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NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:14

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 13:59

Do English MPs get a vote on things specific to Scotland, like free University places? Or the amount of debt per head you are racking up, which then goes into a central debt fund?
Dont forget you owe more money per head than the English, so I am not sure how you plan to pay that back. Your tax will have to rise, to compensate the Barnet Formula which is so generous to Scotland. You will no longer be able to use the pound either. Your education system has let a generation fail, when it used to be superior, all thanks to the SNP. Glasgow is still the drug capital of Europe. Be careful what you wish for because it could be coming your way soon.
And if you fail to get independence, will you just keep pushing for another one? Maybe campaign for England to have an independence vote , because then you may well get your Independence.

How do you explain the great lengths Westminster went to in the lead up to the referendum to convince Scotland to vote no? Begging, bargaining, threatening, lying, all to keep us when we’re costing a fortune and racking up all this debt? Come off it.

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 14:10

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:08

Thanks. So, as I suspected, they’re not actually “going to court to have transwomen (fully intact males) rapists who have been convicted of rape placed in female prisons”.

Yes, they are! That is exactly what they are doing. As I suspected, you haven't read and understood the article.

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:08

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 12:20

Thanks. So, as I suspected, they’re not actually “going to court to have transwomen (fully intact males) rapists who have been convicted of rape placed in female prisons”.

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 13:59

Coffeeandallthebooks · 31/01/2026 06:46

You don't live in Scotland but don't understand why people would vote SNP?

The majority of Scots want independence. An aggregate of 2025 polls shows an overall independence majority, but neither the last Tory government or this Labour one will allow another referendum, because they would lose.

It is a violation of democracy to not be permitted an independence vote. Every other country subject to colonialism has a right to do so. NI have a right to do so enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement.

We cannot have equal rights in the UK parliament as we are too small to form a majority, so must always accept a government elected by another country. That's to say nothing of EVEL, which bans Scottish MP's from some parliamentary votes, on the premise they affect only England, something no other MP's are restricted by.
So until we have a right to an opinion, people will keep voting SNP. The only way to make them less popular as a party would be if they achieved their objective of an independent Scotland.

At the moment we will be voting SNP as a majority at both the Scottish Parliament and UK Parliament elections, getting SNP in Scotland but next election Reform in the UK- and the Reform government we didn't vote for will hold power over the government we did choose.

Do English MPs get a vote on things specific to Scotland, like free University places? Or the amount of debt per head you are racking up, which then goes into a central debt fund?
Dont forget you owe more money per head than the English, so I am not sure how you plan to pay that back. Your tax will have to rise, to compensate the Barnet Formula which is so generous to Scotland. You will no longer be able to use the pound either. Your education system has let a generation fail, when it used to be superior, all thanks to the SNP. Glasgow is still the drug capital of Europe. Be careful what you wish for because it could be coming your way soon.
And if you fail to get independence, will you just keep pushing for another one? Maybe campaign for England to have an independence vote , because then you may well get your Independence.

GardenCovent · 01/02/2026 13:47

Op just to clarify, do you live in Scotland? If not why would you be surprised that people actually living here would vote SNP if you have never lived their life?
I have lived in Scotland all my life, I voted SNP once, soley due to the fact our MP was amazing for our area.
I have never voted SNP since but I can understand how some people would.
Just basic but here’s an example. At the beginning of this month thousands of people were snowed in, schools closed, deliveries not getting through. Caused massive disruption. Did it make the national news? No. But then when there was snow forecast to fall in England, it was the main headline of the national news. How do you think that makes folk feel.
As I said that is a very basic example and again I would never vote SNP again but can see why folk do

BlueJuniper94 · 01/02/2026 13:42

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 13:27

And I did vote yes in 2014. No way on earth that I'd do it now. The parties who are (ostensibly) for Independence have scuppered their own cause by being, well, shite.

Yes, I voted yes too in 2014, and have been horrified by the SNP shitshow

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 13:27

And I did vote yes in 2014. No way on earth that I'd do it now. The parties who are (ostensibly) for Independence have scuppered their own cause by being, well, shite.

Coffeeandbooks88 · 01/02/2026 13:24

Coffeeandallthebooks · 31/01/2026 06:46

You don't live in Scotland but don't understand why people would vote SNP?

The majority of Scots want independence. An aggregate of 2025 polls shows an overall independence majority, but neither the last Tory government or this Labour one will allow another referendum, because they would lose.

It is a violation of democracy to not be permitted an independence vote. Every other country subject to colonialism has a right to do so. NI have a right to do so enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement.

We cannot have equal rights in the UK parliament as we are too small to form a majority, so must always accept a government elected by another country. That's to say nothing of EVEL, which bans Scottish MP's from some parliamentary votes, on the premise they affect only England, something no other MP's are restricted by.
So until we have a right to an opinion, people will keep voting SNP. The only way to make them less popular as a party would be if they achieved their objective of an independent Scotland.

At the moment we will be voting SNP as a majority at both the Scottish Parliament and UK Parliament elections, getting SNP in Scotland but next election Reform in the UK- and the Reform government we didn't vote for will hold power over the government we did choose.

You had a vote though in 2014? So they didn't deny you one but as it didnt go your way you are crying for another.

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 13:22

BlueJuniper94 · 01/02/2026 13:17

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who will still vote enthusiastically for people who make it clear they have nothing but contempt for them

Yes, chickens voting for KFC, turkeys voting for Christmas and Thankgiving.

BlueJuniper94 · 01/02/2026 13:17

EvangelineTheNightStar · 31/01/2026 08:26

Why? @Daytimenighttime?
are you female? Don’t you care how much they seem to hate women’s rights and safety?

It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who will still vote enthusiastically for people who make it clear they have nothing but contempt for them

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 12:24

They also haven't paid the womens rights group For Women Scotland to whom they lost re the Supreme Court ruling on the definition of women, and refuse to pay them their money.

The contempt and disrespect the SNP have for women is horrific. They are outright breaching the Supreme Court ruling, refuse to pay FWS, and want males in female spaces and prison. They are beneath scum.

Paulrn · 01/02/2026 12:22

I’m as English as they come and I would like to have a vote for Scottish independence. I believe that the vote should be both side of the border so we can part company. Once achieved there should be a hard border and the withdrawal of our currency from Scotland and our military bases. No contracts for Scottish companies bring those south. Sooner the better really.

GoatsareGOAT · 01/02/2026 12:17

Essentially we get the bastard SNP because the "freedom" idiots vote as a block whilst those who understand economics are split between the U.K. parties.

I have had several terrifying conversations with SNP fanatics & it boiled down to "not the bus I want to be on but the destination I want to get to". She complained about many things & blamed them all on Westminster- these were all devolved issues🙄 and when I pointed that out she shrugged & said it was Westminster's fault for keeping Scotland "down" 🤷‍♀️

The SNP have utterly destroyed education in Scotland, they can't organise ferries or dual roads, are obsessed with the state acting as parents and destroying women's rights.
Health/life expectancy & drug/alcohol issues are swept under the carpet.

HK04 · 01/02/2026 12:09

SNP are a real disappointment after Bute House deal with Green party. Expect they will lose control in May elections as have been in too long. Middle earners are hammered on their watch with a ‘high’ earner paying 42% tax over £43,663… yet average wage (median) is £39,700. Cost of Living crisis be mitigated if they stopped fiscal drag and plundering those in middle but by no means wealthy.

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 12:01

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 11:28

The Scottish government is going to court to have transwomen (fully intact males) rapists who have been convicted of rape placed in female prisons. You obviously have not been keeping up to date with what has been happening.

I honestly can’t find anything on this, can you add a link to a source please?

OllyBJolly · 01/02/2026 11:57

I also believe Scotland could thrive as an independent country. However, the SNP under Sturgeon has failed to run the country effectively. It's turned into a virtue-signalling PR exercise.

Why do they keep winning? Lack of alternatives really. The calibre of politician in Holyrood is generally dire. As a life long lefty Labour Party member, it's a sad day when I watch Holyrood debates and find myself nodding along to the Tory contributions.

I was so excited to see a Scottish parliament. What's it actually achieved - other than created a vast number of public sector jobs and funded a plethora of quangos that don't seem accountable to anyone? Never thought I'd say this but I think Reform's policy of shutting Holyrood down might be a vote winner. And that poor standing lies at the door of the SNP.

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 11:49

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 11:23

I don’t know how anyone could vote for such a cruel party that is fighting to put male rapists in cells with vulnerable female prisoners.

What the fuck are you on about, no one is fighting for that.

What, apart from the judicial review taking place in the next couple of days at the Court of Sessions where the Scottish Government are preparing to argue that refusing to place males in the female prison estate breaches those males human rights?

Or the fact that up until last year, under SPS (an executive agency of the Scottish Government) policy violent male sex offenders were being placed in the female prison estate following official self policy and was only partly overturned due to public outcry prompted by the photo of Isla Bryson?

Quine0nline · 01/02/2026 11:43

Scots hatred for the English?
Some Scots.
Part of it is a dislike, distrust of being "run from afar". Westminster's decision making may not always have the best interests of a country making up the UK as first concern. It will look at the UK as a whole. The attitude of the "elite" the media and civil service senior executive.

However there is a sick streak which by replacing "English" with any other minority in the country or world reveals the speaker as an out and out racist, bigot and piece of scum. At least two parties thrive on this, draw support from this and do not report it kick out members who speak thus.

Scotland has had a worrying mental attitude towards success. "Dinnae get above your station", "I remember (the person who discovered a cure for cancer, perpetual motion and saved millions) when they peed themselves at the fair when they were five." Tall poppy syndrome - I hate to quite P G Wodehouse, but he picked on a vein of hate.

Most Scots are welcoming, keen to open their minds. Some, the ignorant fear the new. Towns do not have the community they had because people prefer to watch TV of an evening, use Social media, fear the scoutmaster - cannot be bothered. Complain about no social.housing, having bought their own council house for a steal.

As Oscar Wilde said "each man kills the thing he loves". Please sur, it wisnae me!"

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 11:28

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 11:23

I don’t know how anyone could vote for such a cruel party that is fighting to put male rapists in cells with vulnerable female prisoners.

What the fuck are you on about, no one is fighting for that.

The Scottish government is going to court to have transwomen (fully intact males) rapists who have been convicted of rape placed in female prisons. You obviously have not been keeping up to date with what has been happening.

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 11:23

GargoylesofBeelzebub · 31/01/2026 08:52

People vote for the SNP for two reasons. Either they still are clinging to the false hope that the SNP will get independence for Scotland or they are voting tactically to keep out Tories/reform.

I’m really fucked off with Keir Starmer as at one point it looked like Labour would overtake the SNP but he’s made such an arse of things that that hope has died.

the SNP are absolutely vile. I don’t know how anyone could vote for such a cruel party that is fighting to put male rapists in cells with vulnerable female prisoners. They’re disgusting.

They’ve made such a mess of Scotland.

I don’t know how anyone could vote for such a cruel party that is fighting to put male rapists in cells with vulnerable female prisoners.

What the fuck are you on about, no one is fighting for that.

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 11:12

Daytimenighttime · 01/02/2026 10:58

I don't know what world you live in but you appear to have a totally idealised and unrealistic view of Westminster if you really are looking for it to protect anyone other than the rich and powerful and it's own interests.

I don't know if you were asleep when the GRR bill was passed in Scotland and then rescinded by Westminster, but they saved women and girls then. You have an idealised and unrealistic and very privileged life if women and girls including rape survivors like me being able to enter a female only change room is not important to you but some airy fairy idealistic view of 'independence' is.

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 11:11

Daytimenighttime · 01/02/2026 10:58

I don't know what world you live in but you appear to have a totally idealised and unrealistic view of Westminster if you really are looking for it to protect anyone other than the rich and powerful and it's own interests.

The only reason that the utterly poor, ill thought out and women hating legislation which was the GRR Bill wasn't put into place was the invoking of a Section 35 as Scottish legislation cannot override UK wide Equality law.

Amendments to pause the process for an application for a GRC for someone who was being concurrently convicted for sex offences against women was voted down by MSP's during the GRR debate, among other amendments intended to safeguard women.

Daytimenighttime · 01/02/2026 10:58

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 10:36

It is NOT more important than women having a safe place to change, girls staying home when on their period because the boys go through the sanitary bins in their gender neutral toilets, women restricting fluids during the day so they don't have to go to the unisex toilets risking UTIs (and as someone who has a relative that died from sepsis due to a UTI, I know how dangerous this is), the 5000+ sexual assaults on hospital wards, women avoiding medical tests/operations because males are doing them and/or on their ward, women and girls withdrawing from participating in society. These things affect EVERY woman and girl EVERY DAY. Nothing, absolutely nothing is more vital than womens safety, privacy and dignity. Otherwise women and girls will stay home and withdraw from participating in society, as happened during the Urinary Leash era. And Westminster is desperately needed for OUR PROTECTION.

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I don't know what world you live in but you appear to have a totally idealised and unrealistic view of Westminster if you really are looking for it to protect anyone other than the rich and powerful and it's own interests.

Isthatsoandso · 01/02/2026 10:44

Coffeeandallthebooks · 31/01/2026 06:46

You don't live in Scotland but don't understand why people would vote SNP?

The majority of Scots want independence. An aggregate of 2025 polls shows an overall independence majority, but neither the last Tory government or this Labour one will allow another referendum, because they would lose.

It is a violation of democracy to not be permitted an independence vote. Every other country subject to colonialism has a right to do so. NI have a right to do so enshrined in the Good Friday Agreement.

We cannot have equal rights in the UK parliament as we are too small to form a majority, so must always accept a government elected by another country. That's to say nothing of EVEL, which bans Scottish MP's from some parliamentary votes, on the premise they affect only England, something no other MP's are restricted by.
So until we have a right to an opinion, people will keep voting SNP. The only way to make them less popular as a party would be if they achieved their objective of an independent Scotland.

At the moment we will be voting SNP as a majority at both the Scottish Parliament and UK Parliament elections, getting SNP in Scotland but next election Reform in the UK- and the Reform government we didn't vote for will hold power over the government we did choose.

Scotland were colonisers .Partners with England . And before you start on about the Highland Clearances, we did it to our ain.
Class. Wonder why so many people from the West Indian former colonies have Scottish names ? But we sweep that under the carpet and winge victimhood and blame the English and Wastemonster.