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To wonder why people keep voting SNP?

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Carla786 · 31/01/2026 05:34

I don't know a lot about Scottish politics and I may be missing important things they've done. However, I used to have a lot of respect for Nicola Sturgeon but her handling of gender critical issues has destroyed that. The SNP do not seem very effective at reducing drugs, poverty, or other serious issues.
My understanding was that quite a few people vote SNP not because they want independence (which most Scots appear to not want) but because they think the SNP are more committed to Scotland sorcifically than Tories and Labour. How accurate is this though..?

Since most Scots appear to not want independence, I thought the SNP was probably high achieving in other areas & Tories & Labour seen as poor by comparison. Or is it more often seen as the best of 3 bad options? Or is SNP much more positive than the impression I've got?

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Ohgoonthenanotheronefortheroad · 01/02/2026 19:23

I vote SNP for various reasons but the main one being that I want independence, as do most people around me. It's not for 'anti-English' reasons but because it makes the most sense to me. If we were to get independence, my vote may change in the future.

Lillitut · 01/02/2026 19:22

Quine0nline · 01/02/2026 11:43

Scots hatred for the English?
Some Scots.
Part of it is a dislike, distrust of being "run from afar". Westminster's decision making may not always have the best interests of a country making up the UK as first concern. It will look at the UK as a whole. The attitude of the "elite" the media and civil service senior executive.

However there is a sick streak which by replacing "English" with any other minority in the country or world reveals the speaker as an out and out racist, bigot and piece of scum. At least two parties thrive on this, draw support from this and do not report it kick out members who speak thus.

Scotland has had a worrying mental attitude towards success. "Dinnae get above your station", "I remember (the person who discovered a cure for cancer, perpetual motion and saved millions) when they peed themselves at the fair when they were five." Tall poppy syndrome - I hate to quite P G Wodehouse, but he picked on a vein of hate.

Most Scots are welcoming, keen to open their minds. Some, the ignorant fear the new. Towns do not have the community they had because people prefer to watch TV of an evening, use Social media, fear the scoutmaster - cannot be bothered. Complain about no social.housing, having bought their own council house for a steal.

As Oscar Wilde said "each man kills the thing he loves". Please sur, it wisnae me!"

Yes anti English xenophobia is utterly rife. It’s so shameful in a nation that also pretends to be welcoming. Due to my mixed heritage I was declared to be ‘English’ at primary school despite not an English gene in my dna and was regularly beaten up for it.

Scots have a terrible inferiority complex when it comes to the English - worst in the working classes - when they have nothing to feel inferior about - and this insecurity comes out as hatred. It’s grim.

They hate the fact ‘the English’ can afford large houses without understanding that these people aren’t English but come from all over the world. Practically no one in my kids school in one of the best catchments in Scotland have two UK born parents - and its people who move about that get on in life, and if you don’t want to get on your bike and get a good career, you’re not going to earn sky high salaries.

AccidentallyWesAnderson · 01/02/2026 19:16

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:49

I fully understand the article. Don’t be ridiculous.

Well you haven’t. Because that’s exactly what they’re doing 🤯.

Lillitut · 01/02/2026 19:12

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:14

How do you explain the great lengths Westminster went to in the lead up to the referendum to convince Scotland to vote no? Begging, bargaining, threatening, lying, all to keep us when we’re costing a fortune and racking up all this debt? Come off it.

You may be Scottish but I am British. I’m living in the UK, as stated on my passport. I am only who would move south immediately on independence. I wouldn’t want to leave my family but there is absolutely no way I want to live in a country of people who thought Indy would be a good idea. People who have zero comprehension whatsoever of the damage Indy would bestow on Scotland. I am so pleased the UK government is fighting for the interests of the likes of me. We are after all British citizens. And my employer would hit foot it south rapidly too, as would my husband’s so that’s also a consideration.

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 19:06

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 19:02

Spoken like a true Scot. I rest my case.

I have a suspicion that any animosity you have received from Scottish people is not because you are English....but is because you are a patronising twat.

Sweetie.

Lillitut · 01/02/2026 19:06

Daytimenighttime · 01/02/2026 10:29

Well I'll beg to differ because Scottish independence is of overwhelming importance if we have any chance of a decent society in Scotland.
My fear is the moment has now passed.

This is bonkers to me though! How can you make a ‘decent society’ in a country which is totally and utterly screwed financially. Where absolutely everything - pensions, benefits, public sector salaries, nhs spending, education spending would have to take a real terms budget cut of 20% minimum. How would some people survive?

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 19:02

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 18:36

'Sweetie'.

Do fuck off pal.

Spoken like a true Scot. I rest my case.

Lejuge28 · 01/02/2026 18:47

For me they are best of a bad bunch.

Labour and Tories as the same just a different colour of tie.
Greens are batshit crazy.
Reform are not for me.
Lib Dems are a pointless vote.

Carla786 · 01/02/2026 18:38

Quine0nline · 01/02/2026 11:43

Scots hatred for the English?
Some Scots.
Part of it is a dislike, distrust of being "run from afar". Westminster's decision making may not always have the best interests of a country making up the UK as first concern. It will look at the UK as a whole. The attitude of the "elite" the media and civil service senior executive.

However there is a sick streak which by replacing "English" with any other minority in the country or world reveals the speaker as an out and out racist, bigot and piece of scum. At least two parties thrive on this, draw support from this and do not report it kick out members who speak thus.

Scotland has had a worrying mental attitude towards success. "Dinnae get above your station", "I remember (the person who discovered a cure for cancer, perpetual motion and saved millions) when they peed themselves at the fair when they were five." Tall poppy syndrome - I hate to quite P G Wodehouse, but he picked on a vein of hate.

Most Scots are welcoming, keen to open their minds. Some, the ignorant fear the new. Towns do not have the community they had because people prefer to watch TV of an evening, use Social media, fear the scoutmaster - cannot be bothered. Complain about no social.housing, having bought their own council house for a steal.

As Oscar Wilde said "each man kills the thing he loves". Please sur, it wisnae me!"

Thank you, this is very interesting. I get anger at being 'run from afar'.

Re this in particular :' However there is a sick streak which by replacing "English" with any other minority in the country or world reveals the speaker as an out and out racist, bigot and piece of scum. At least two parties thrive on this, draw support from this and do not report it kick out members who speak thus.'

  • very disturbing. People outside the UK often think of it as historically (at least post Troubles) fairly free of ethnic/national tribalism, but clearly that's not been the case for some people. I guess I just find it hard to understand when there's not the recent occupation history Ireland has- I suppose it's partly a scapegoating thing where blaming 'the English' removes the need to blame decisions made by Scottish politicians?
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cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 18:37

Shakeoffyourchains · 01/02/2026 17:23

Because they’re realistically the only party that stands a chance of getting us out of the lying Union.

Scotland makes up around 7–8% of the UK population, yet we have: 32% of the UK’s land mass, 62% of its maritime area, 33% of its arable land, 61% of timber production, 85% of oil and gas reserves, 90% of freshwater, 67% of fish landings, and around 25% of Europe’s offshore energy potential, alongside world-renowned industries, products, and expertise in emerging sectors.

And yet we’re constantly told by unionists that we’re too stupid, too poor, and too small to succeed as an independent nation.

Remember back in 2014, when the unionists told us oil and gas was finished, that it was unreliable, and that an independent Scotland couldn’t possibly depend on it? Fast forward 12 years and, miraculously, the oil and gas reserves have refilled themselves and are now central to the energy policy of the UK’s right-wing parties. Let’s also not forget that an independent Scotland would be 100% energy self-sufficient and a net exporter. But inside the Union, we somehow pay more for the energy we produce than consumers in the rest of the UK.

So yeah, I'll have no choice but to vote for them until one of the other parties with a chance of winning puts Scottish independence on their agenda.

Except the UK sovereignty owns the North Sea, not Scotland. And the financial district in London, generates more income than the whole of Scotland, so there’s something to think about.

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 18:36

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 18:32

That’s exactly what the marjority want sweetie.
So all the very best. Following the demise of the corrupt SNP, it’s been a panto of even greater disaster than Westminster.

'Sweetie'.

Do fuck off pal.

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 18:32

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 14:24

Well, quite. You'd have thought they'd have said 'oh thank fuck! You want to separate - off you pop and godspeed!' instead of a parade of who's that emploring us to consider our shared history etc.

That’s exactly what the marjority want sweetie.
So all the very best. Following the demise of the corrupt SNP, it’s been a panto of even greater disaster than Westminster.

Carla786 · 01/02/2026 18:31

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 18:29

The first day as a staff nurse in a Scottish Hospital, all the nurses turned their back on me and refused to speak to me. Having never met me before. One kindly told me I was English and therefore they wouldn’t trust me until it was earned. Having come from the top training hospital in London, I soon learnt how backwards they were.
When we got some new neighbours, they told us they didn’t like English Oilies. Charming.
i don’t suppose you have had this South of the border….
i am sorry to say that when my husband was offered a promotion in Kuwait, we jumped at it.
I had some very good Aberdonian friends, but they warned me how narrow minded the locals could be.
Good job we left when we did, Aberdeen is no longer a booming city. Our house is still worth the same as it was many years ago. My friends tell me even John Lewis has shut, due to the economic climate.

That's really shocking. Is this widespread, that kind of attitude? Why?

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cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 18:29

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:23

Have a read at the drivel @cotswoldsgal1234 has come away with and it will go some way to explaining why some Scottish people get a bit fucked off with English people at times. That nonsense along with the fact that whoever the English vote for we are stuck with as a government. I have English family and friends and I love them to bits, I holiday in England quite a bit, this is true of most people I know. I don’t think we hate the English, those of us who want independence would just prefer to be friendly equal neighbours fully managing our own affairs.

The first day as a staff nurse in a Scottish Hospital, all the nurses turned their back on me and refused to speak to me. Having never met me before. One kindly told me I was English and therefore they wouldn’t trust me until it was earned. Having come from the top training hospital in London, I soon learnt how backwards they were.
When we got some new neighbours, they told us they didn’t like English Oilies. Charming.
i don’t suppose you have had this South of the border….
i am sorry to say that when my husband was offered a promotion in Kuwait, we jumped at it.
I had some very good Aberdonian friends, but they warned me how narrow minded the locals could be.
Good job we left when we did, Aberdeen is no longer a booming city. Our house is still worth the same as it was many years ago. My friends tell me even John Lewis has shut, due to the economic climate.

Carla786 · 01/02/2026 18:27

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 13:59

Do English MPs get a vote on things specific to Scotland, like free University places? Or the amount of debt per head you are racking up, which then goes into a central debt fund?
Dont forget you owe more money per head than the English, so I am not sure how you plan to pay that back. Your tax will have to rise, to compensate the Barnet Formula which is so generous to Scotland. You will no longer be able to use the pound either. Your education system has let a generation fail, when it used to be superior, all thanks to the SNP. Glasgow is still the drug capital of Europe. Be careful what you wish for because it could be coming your way soon.
And if you fail to get independence, will you just keep pushing for another one? Maybe campaign for England to have an independence vote , because then you may well get your Independence.

Yes, I remember getting the impression over the years that the Scottish school system was pretty positive, more so than England's. If that's changed due to the SNP, that's terrible...

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GardenCovent · 01/02/2026 17:51

@Carla786 yes BBC, ITV and Sky

Carla786 · 01/02/2026 17:48

GardenCovent · 01/02/2026 13:47

Op just to clarify, do you live in Scotland? If not why would you be surprised that people actually living here would vote SNP if you have never lived their life?
I have lived in Scotland all my life, I voted SNP once, soley due to the fact our MP was amazing for our area.
I have never voted SNP since but I can understand how some people would.
Just basic but here’s an example. At the beginning of this month thousands of people were snowed in, schools closed, deliveries not getting through. Caused massive disruption. Did it make the national news? No. But then when there was snow forecast to fall in England, it was the main headline of the national news. How do you think that makes folk feel.
As I said that is a very basic example and again I would never vote SNP again but can see why folk do

I'm not in Scotland, no. I know I don't know very much...I started this thread to learn more..

Can I check : by 'national news' do you mean BBC news? I understand the anger about such discrepancies, shameful...

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AgnesMcDoo · 01/02/2026 17:42

I’m Scottish and I don’t vote SNP but through my unionist/anti-nationalist perspective

those who do want independence vote SNP or Green and and those who don’t vote for the unionist parties

there are less nationalist parties than unionist ones so the vote splits less and guarantees the SNP biggest party status

and

Labour have been shit for a very long time and so some vote SNP because they are perceived as being competent in government

and for some it’s just a cult

it’s the everything is shit and let’s blame our neighbour party. Some
for snp for the exact same reasons as some in England vote for reform

There is very little love of the SNP no matter what your political persuasion.

unless something happens to make Labour less shit then the SNP will win again

Carla786 · 01/02/2026 17:38

Paulrn · 01/02/2026 12:22

I’m as English as they come and I would like to have a vote for Scottish independence. I believe that the vote should be both side of the border so we can part company. Once achieved there should be a hard border and the withdrawal of our currency from Scotland and our military bases. No contracts for Scottish companies bring those south. Sooner the better really.

Interesting- why do you support independence?

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Carla786 · 01/02/2026 17:35

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 10:24

There are far more important things than bloddy independence! If Scotland was independent, Westminster would not have been able to stop that GRR bill, which would have hurt women even far worse! It is ONLY being in the union that SAVED women.

The last thing Scotland needs is independence! The very, very, VERY last thing! In fact, I am terrified for women if it ever does become independent. Everyone should vote to insure independence never happens!

Being part of Westminster is a safety and security measure and acts as a check-and-balance against bad, malignant policy, as the GRR bill absolutely and comprehensively proved. If anyone was still for independence before GRR, surely anyone who is compos mentis and sane and able to utilise a modicum of critical thinking would support staying in the union after that.

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Excellent post. The SNP chose to put women in danger....

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Shakeoffyourchains · 01/02/2026 17:23

Because they’re realistically the only party that stands a chance of getting us out of the lying Union.

Scotland makes up around 7–8% of the UK population, yet we have: 32% of the UK’s land mass, 62% of its maritime area, 33% of its arable land, 61% of timber production, 85% of oil and gas reserves, 90% of freshwater, 67% of fish landings, and around 25% of Europe’s offshore energy potential, alongside world-renowned industries, products, and expertise in emerging sectors.

And yet we’re constantly told by unionists that we’re too stupid, too poor, and too small to succeed as an independent nation.

Remember back in 2014, when the unionists told us oil and gas was finished, that it was unreliable, and that an independent Scotland couldn’t possibly depend on it? Fast forward 12 years and, miraculously, the oil and gas reserves have refilled themselves and are now central to the energy policy of the UK’s right-wing parties. Let’s also not forget that an independent Scotland would be 100% energy self-sufficient and a net exporter. But inside the Union, we somehow pay more for the energy we produce than consumers in the rest of the UK.

So yeah, I'll have no choice but to vote for them until one of the other parties with a chance of winning puts Scottish independence on their agenda.

cotswoldsgal1234 · 01/02/2026 16:50

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:14

How do you explain the great lengths Westminster went to in the lead up to the referendum to convince Scotland to vote no? Begging, bargaining, threatening, lying, all to keep us when we’re costing a fortune and racking up all this debt? Come off it.

Goodness knows. No one n England knows why they did that. Maybe they owned private islands there. But if you join the EU ( not sure they will be ok with that due to your huge debt) anyone wanting to live in England could require a visa. A lot of Scots are saying they will move South of the border to avoid tax rises, so you may lose your high earners. I lived in Scotland and the pettiness shown towards England was embarrassing. No one down here gives it much thought, we are far too busy.

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:49

ThatBlackCat · 01/02/2026 14:10

Yes, they are! That is exactly what they are doing. As I suspected, you haven't read and understood the article.

I fully understand the article. Don’t be ridiculous.

Waitwhat23 · 01/02/2026 14:24

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:14

How do you explain the great lengths Westminster went to in the lead up to the referendum to convince Scotland to vote no? Begging, bargaining, threatening, lying, all to keep us when we’re costing a fortune and racking up all this debt? Come off it.

Well, quite. You'd have thought they'd have said 'oh thank fuck! You want to separate - off you pop and godspeed!' instead of a parade of who's that emploring us to consider our shared history etc.

NewName12345678910 · 01/02/2026 14:23

Carla786 · 01/02/2026 02:41

Thank you, very interesting post.

Re hating the English- why is this? I know I'm naive about this issue, and that Scots do have just grievances about English historical actions, as well as the effect Westminster politics have on them..

I suppose I just find it harder to understand Scottish anti-English animosity than Irish (given the recent history, events like Bloody Sunday) and Welsh (effect of mines closing) . Is mainly fuelled by general feelings of anger at English governmental control? Or other factors...?

Have a read at the drivel @cotswoldsgal1234 has come away with and it will go some way to explaining why some Scottish people get a bit fucked off with English people at times. That nonsense along with the fact that whoever the English vote for we are stuck with as a government. I have English family and friends and I love them to bits, I holiday in England quite a bit, this is true of most people I know. I don’t think we hate the English, those of us who want independence would just prefer to be friendly equal neighbours fully managing our own affairs.