To wonder why people keep voting SNP?

Where is it you live?

There are plenty of English and other nationalities living happily in Scotland. If what you have described happened then something about your posts tell me this was maybe a you problem as opposed to an English problem.

The unionist media blow up anything negative about Scotland to make it look like we’re failing and the reason people keep voting for the SNP is because they are sensible enough not to be taken in by it. There’s always room for improvement but we live here so we know all these things are not fucked. Most of us are thankful we had a buffer during the 14 years of Tory austerity foisted on us by the English vote.

I don’t know any Scots who ‘hate’ English people, saying that this is the norm is ridiculous. Scotland is a beautiful country, the majority of us love living here and nothing is ‘fucked’ despite what some negative posters are saying.

I’m in England but DH is Scottish from a massive family. They were all very pro independence at the vote and it was all anti-English. It’s always been quite tiring explaining that places like Westminster are also not interested in the north of England and how bad things have gotten here over the years, how our industries have gone etc they think England is one place rolling in money thanks to the government, which has stolen it all from Scotland.

Their support for independence and especially the SNP is low now though because of education and the NHS up there. I’ve heard bad things about unis even though it’s free. Isn’t Dundee uni going bankrupt?

Exactly. But hey, INDEPENDENCE anyway.

100% this

The cost of uni tuition is nearly the same as the cost to taxpayers of the increased taxes we pay in Scotland.

I would be struggling to pay my mortgage following independence if I stayed in Scotland. The election of politicians would be the least of my concerns. like everyone else I have a mortgage which I have to pay the GBP amount to the provider. If I’m getting a devalued Scottish £ I would be unable to pay.

Indy would be fine for some people but anyone relying on benefits (pensions are a benefit) or those who have a mortgage or public sector workers would be stuffed.

University tuition is not free! It's paid by the tax payer, with a higher and higher burden placed on 'high earners', ie anyone earning £43k or over. Its unsustainable.

A lot of people work hard but a lot of people don’t throughout the UK. The welfare bill is soaring. Look at Polish builders for instance. Left their homeland and moved to the UK to work and earn. How many Brits would think of doing that? Not many. I have lived in many EU countries and a lot of them have a sizable proportion of people willing to live off state handouts, but many don’t. Former soviet states where you HAD to work or starve, Scandinavian countries where there is a much more community minded attitude and you work to proudly pay taxes to support those who are truly unable.

People feel entitled to benefits here like they aren’t in so many other countries.

Life under the SNP
Education fucked
NHS fucked
Ferries fucked
Women’s rights fucked

But let’s go independent and there will be free money trees and whisky coming out the tap

Devolution isn’t enough. And despite that, I don’t think Scotland are performing any worse than the rest of the UK in any measure, in fact, we’re usually better, contrary to what the unionist media would have you believe.

Do you realise that if we had independence we’d have the opportunity to elect other parties into government? So really whether you think the current Scottish government are shit or not is quite irrelevant to the independence debate.

You do realise we do have control of devolved issues that matter the most and they are royally fucking them up? How will independence change that?

You’re daft.

No one I know who supports independence thinks we’re going to be “rich”. We want to choose our own government and make our own decisions, it’s really as simple as that. As I posted earlier, do people like you never wonder why the unionists are so into the union and begged, bribed and lied to us in the lead up to the referendum to keep us in the union?

I am left of centre and support Scottish independence (the Union just does not work anymore, particularly since Brexit) but I don't vote SNP due to their centralizing tendencies. They concentrate power and control to Edinburgh and don't value local government, so even though I am politically completely aligned with them, I can't vote for them.

I am Scottish and I have voted SNP in the past. Mainly because I feel that the Scottish Labour Party are viewed as an office of the Labour Party. They have, in my opinion, not always stuck up for the best interests of Scots and have instead toed the party line.
I am not a rigid SNP voter, and in fact at the last election I did vote Labour. I have also previously voted Lib Dem.
I am on the fence with regards to independence, and indeed I voted SNP when I was against independence, because Labour was not strong enough against the Tories.
Its too simplistic and offensive to say people vote SNP because they do not like the English, or because they want independence. I think a lot of the times, Scottish people feel overlooked by Westminster.

Not sure how that works when they hadn’t even met me. Can you imagine working with yourself and your revolting language. I actually became a senior ward sister, so boo hoooo.

Exactly. It’s just grievance for grievance sake. It’s so tiresome. All of these people who say independence makes sense, in what way? It’s baffling.

I think they think that it will be like former soviet countries retaking their independence, while forgetting that these countries were walking from nothing, with nothing. They didn’t walk away with billions of pounds of debt, as Scotland would be doing. They didn’t walk away from billions of pounds worth of funding, as Scotland would be doing.

I think they think they’d walk into the EU not realising that the EU has strict financial entry criteria that Scotland hasn’t a hope of meeting for decades if ever.

Poland is growing massively economically now, quite a few decades post soviet times but that’s due to the get up and go of their populace. There isn’t the same attitude to hard work in Scotland.

So many people think that we’d be rich due to land mass and coastline and water etc without giving means to monetise these things. It’s daft.

Labour are genocide supporters
Reform are racists
Greens are lunatics

I don't like the SNP either but the others are completely unelectable