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To be depressed that lockdown would happen again tomorrow if there was another new disease

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Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 07:35

We talk about all the things that are worse "since the pandemic"but government prep is based on all the same mad nonsense that caused the worsening

Grim

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Morecoombe · 05/01/2026 23:59

Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 21:06

Until 2020 the complete fucking madness of what was done would never have been dreamt of.

It would have been expected that people would die and we would just live with that.

So even if you or a loved one avoided getting sick with Covid but needed to go to hospital with a broken leg or meningitis or a burn or a car accident but couldn’t be seen by a doctor because the corridors and car parks are rammed full of people sick with covid because of no lockdown , is that ok for you ?!

Ubertomusic · 05/01/2026 23:33

feistyoneyouare · 05/01/2026 23:20

If we were in a pandemic, other countries would most probably be in lockdown too. Just saying.

Our friends moved to Sweden immediately after the first one. Never looked back.
Just saying.

feistyoneyouare · 05/01/2026 23:20

PeriMumEndofHerTether · 05/01/2026 21:10

I'd get in my van and leave the country

If we were in a pandemic, other countries would most probably be in lockdown too. Just saying.

feistyoneyouare · 05/01/2026 23:19

MichaelmasDaisiesAndAutumSunset · 05/01/2026 18:27

Well, I think given the brevity of your comment, it was fair to draw inferences. I can live with being called silly by you.

Thank goodness for that, I've been worrying all day about whether I might have scarred your soul(!)

EyeLevelStick · 05/01/2026 21:58

Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 21:06

Until 2020 the complete fucking madness of what was done would never have been dreamt of.

It would have been expected that people would die and we would just live with that.

You’re saying here that people should just die, yet in your post above you bemoan the lack of healthcare. What exactly do you think would happen if transmission was allowed to happen unchecked?

ManyPigeons · 05/01/2026 21:54

I don’t really see what was so bad about it tbh. Other than not being able to see those in hospital/homes etc.

Sesma · 05/01/2026 21:12

Perhaps next time they will leave all that nutty nonsense behind like all that crap about scotch eggs and substantial meals and not being able to stop or sit down if you went for a walk.

PeriMumEndofHerTether · 05/01/2026 21:10

I'd get in my van and leave the country

Sharptonguedwoman · 05/01/2026 21:10

Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 21:06

Until 2020 the complete fucking madness of what was done would never have been dreamt of.

It would have been expected that people would die and we would just live with that.

Well 1/3 of the residents in my mum’s care home did just that. Long before their time. It was a care home not a nursing home. Staff were reeling.

I think we look at things fundamentally differently.

Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 21:06

Sharptonguedwoman · 05/01/2026 21:04

While realising Covid was very difficult for many, I’m still not Sue how a different plan would have been effective.
Take your child’s class at school: if a disease went through the class and most were off ill, what are the repercussions? Aeschylus child and the teacher likely has a family which will therefore be infected. Some will be fine, obviously but many won’t. Some families will have vulnerable children or adults for whom this disease could be life threatening.
some teachers are vulnerable too, what happens to them? No one immunosuppressed or pregnant or with an extremely vulnerable family member could teach-who fills those gaps?
Hospital care becomes at a premium.
some people will recover, others mostly, some will die.
Whatever we do, it’s not great.

Until 2020 the complete fucking madness of what was done would never have been dreamt of.

It would have been expected that people would die and we would just live with that.

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Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 21:05

To those saying they wouldn't comply with rules - I didn't last time but I was so lucky to have friends and family who saw it for the madness it was (it was at least something quite brilliant to realise how much my people really were my people). But... It didn't stop the world going insane and healthcare now being non functional and prices extortionate and the world just darker and madder and worse.

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Sharptonguedwoman · 05/01/2026 21:04

Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 20:50

People continuing their lives just as they used to do.

It's funny how many people recognise their own kids are fucked for life by all that nonsense yet would expect others to do it all over again.

While realising Covid was very difficult for many, I’m still not Sue how a different plan would have been effective.
Take your child’s class at school: if a disease went through the class and most were off ill, what are the repercussions? Aeschylus child and the teacher likely has a family which will therefore be infected. Some will be fine, obviously but many won’t. Some families will have vulnerable children or adults for whom this disease could be life threatening.
some teachers are vulnerable too, what happens to them? No one immunosuppressed or pregnant or with an extremely vulnerable family member could teach-who fills those gaps?
Hospital care becomes at a premium.
some people will recover, others mostly, some will die.
Whatever we do, it’s not great.

Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 21:01

Ubertomusic · 05/01/2026 20:09

Yes.
Here is more food for thought: Robert Koch Institute in Germany has a system of monitoring infectious respiratory deceases, GP all over the country take random samples from people presenting with infections, send them to labs and analyse the actual prevalence of each decease, then publish detailed weekly reports that can be seen here https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/39/recent-submissions?offset=240

They take between 2500 and 3500 samples per week, depending on the season. Roughly a half is usually positive for some infection.

All pure lab-based science.

They first started testing for covid in February and found one case in the week 29/2 to 6/3, evidence here https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/6503/InfluenzaWochenberichtKW102020.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Then at the height of panic the prevalence of covid was 8-15 cases per roughly 1800-1850 positive for other infections, see March for example https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/6589/InfluenzaWochenberichtKW132020.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
or April here https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/6742/2020-16.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

I was actually reading their weekly reports with interest during the lockdowns.
There was never an overwhelming spike registered on the actual scientific lab based monitoring.

I can 100% guarantee this pure scientific information will be ignored and posters will continue making themselves look ridiculous by shouting "you bloody morons must listen to the scientists and lockdown or we will all die!!" :)

This is the essence of brainwashing.

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People don't even need to be brainwashed, they leap to brainwash themselves

That was the scariest part. I had sort of believed we had left the medieval peasant days behind.

Hubris attracts nemesis I guess.

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Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/01/2026 20:51

Thank you for the links, @Ubertomusic - very interesting

Pavementworrier · 05/01/2026 20:50

Sharptonguedwoman · 05/01/2026 09:46

So if there was no lockdown, how would that work exactly? Whole classes off school? Teachers sick? Vulnerable teachers (older/ill/pregnant) unable to teach. Kids taking the illness home to vulnerable people? Let an illness run through the population? Obviously it was awful for many but what's your plan?

People continuing their lives just as they used to do.

It's funny how many people recognise their own kids are fucked for life by all that nonsense yet would expect others to do it all over again.

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Loubelou71 · 05/01/2026 20:35

onlyoneoftheregimentinstep · 05/01/2026 07:43

So you’d rather get ill?

I don't think there's evidence of this. I think own common sense and keeping away from poorly people would suffice. Suggesting avoiding people without symptoms and segregating families would not be welcomed again.

Ubertomusic · 05/01/2026 20:09

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/01/2026 19:41

Modern communication methods allowing us to see exactly how bad things were getting all over the world

Modern communication methods allow us to see as many deep fakes as we are willing to consume

Another example of both things being true at the same time

Like so much else the internet is a tool which can be used for good or ill, the trouble being that it attracts the malign along with the well intentioned ... plus far too many unable to spot the difference (which admittedly isn't always easy)

Yes.
Here is more food for thought: Robert Koch Institute in Germany has a system of monitoring infectious respiratory deceases, GP all over the country take random samples from people presenting with infections, send them to labs and analyse the actual prevalence of each decease, then publish detailed weekly reports that can be seen here https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/39/recent-submissions?offset=240

They take between 2500 and 3500 samples per week, depending on the season. Roughly a half is usually positive for some infection.

All pure lab-based science.

They first started testing for covid in February and found one case in the week 29/2 to 6/3, evidence here https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/6503/InfluenzaWochenberichtKW102020.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

Then at the height of panic the prevalence of covid was 8-15 cases per roughly 1800-1850 positive for other infections, see March for example https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/6589/InfluenzaWochenberichtKW132020.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
or April here https://edoc.rki.de/bitstream/handle/176904/6742/2020-16.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

I was actually reading their weekly reports with interest during the lockdowns.
There was never an overwhelming spike registered on the actual scientific lab based monitoring.

I can 100% guarantee this pure scientific information will be ignored and posters will continue making themselves look ridiculous by shouting "you bloody morons must listen to the scientists and lockdown or we will all die!!" :)

This is the essence of brainwashing.

Neuzugänge

https://edoc.rki.de/handle/176904/39/recent-submissions?offset=240

Witchcraftandhokum · 05/01/2026 19:59

I'm pretty sure I gave my grandmother Covid, she died. With hindsight I'd have gone into lockdiwn much earlier.

LostittoBostik · 05/01/2026 19:57

I hardly think this is the biggest risk to your personal freedom right now

IllMetByMoonlight · 05/01/2026 19:57

Stopbringingmicehome · 05/01/2026 08:08

My DS worked in the Covid wards, at 22 she was phoning people up to tell them their family member had died , and holding up mobile phones to dying patients mouths so they could speak their last words to family. Nurses and doctors ended the day crying because of how many people had died that day or were severely ill and they were unable to help.

We were on the receiving end of such a call the day before DBiL died, having contracted Covid at the very beginning and been admitted to hospital. Medical staff like your DS are often on my mind, and I remain grateful Flowers they were by DBiL's side in his last week -he must have been terrified.

Binus · 05/01/2026 19:54

I have no doubt that the AI slop would be coming thick and fast!

Puzzledandpissedoff · 05/01/2026 19:41

Modern communication methods allowing us to see exactly how bad things were getting all over the world

Modern communication methods allow us to see as many deep fakes as we are willing to consume

Another example of both things being true at the same time

Like so much else the internet is a tool which can be used for good or ill, the trouble being that it attracts the malign along with the well intentioned ... plus far too many unable to spot the difference (which admittedly isn't always easy)

ThirdBanana · 05/01/2026 19:30

I’d comply with another lockdown if it was serious.

Smoosha · 05/01/2026 19:22

Newbutoldfather · 05/01/2026 15:06

I think some people have invented an alternative narrative for what happened in COVID and honestly believe that that packed wards and ICU units with one nurse per two beds (or worse) were made-for-tv government propaganda films and real hospitals were empty.

Ot they forget that we actually had an oxygen crisis despite lockdown, and several hospitals lowered their SAT levels for supportive oxygen from 92% to 88% to avoid running out.

And, don’t forget, the very high survival rates of younger people often depended on basic supportive hospital therapy. Who knows how many 40 and 60 year olds would have died without hospital access. And don’t forget, the second lockdown was in winter, with bronchiolitis circulating, so babies were also competing for oxygen and ventilation.

COVID was, and is, a strange illness. For some it is ‘just a cold’, others get really ill. And I myself have had both versions, with one infection raising my resting heart rate for months afterwards.

You will never manage novel viruses of any severity at all without some form of contact reduction. How severe that is will depend on the infectivity, morbidity and medical resources available (in the UK, we don’t have many).

Hopefully we won’t see another pandemic in my lifetime. And, hopefully, when the next one comes, vaccines will be available within weeks.

COVID was, and is, a strange illness. For some it is ‘just a cold’, others get really ill. And I myself have had both versions, with one infection raising my resting heart rate for months afterwards.

That’s the same with many viruses/illnesses. Some people are deathly ill with flu (and in some rare cases can kill healthy adults) and others will barely notice. Despite what everyone says on here, you can have mild and even asymptomatic flu. Some children have chicken pox and just get a few spots with no real illness, but in rare cases some children can die. Some viral illnesses have always had the possibility of causing long term issues after. Flu has been known to cause cardiac issues as well. Covid is not actually that unusual in many respects. The main issue is it was hitting many people at once as no one had any immunity to it and it was highly contagious. Not that it was really that weird.

thinkingofachange · 05/01/2026 19:17

I’d carry on key workering in healthcare/ children in school/still exercise outside. not having and even 1st vaccine this time either thanks

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