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To feel something like satisfaction that DH finally gets it (NAMALT)

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Playingvideogames · 01/01/2026 23:30

DH has always been a bit frustrating during our conversations about male behaviour. He accepts men commit the most crime, are more likely to walk out on their children etc but I got the impression he thought he and his (middle class) circle of friends were a bit above this. And that I was exaggerating when I said far more men were capable of shitty behaviour than he thinks.

Well tonight his friend of 30 years, who walked out on his wife and 2 primary aged boys last year (1 of whom has significant SEN), has announced his new girlfriend (who he has been seeing for 8 months) is 3 months pregnant and he’s ’ready for the best year ever’. This is when he is currently living in a house share, is unlikely to be paying maintenance (constantly talking about being skint), and it’s widely known his contact with his existing children is patchy. The friend is in his early 50s, and of course new woman is much younger at 38.

I told DH he would get the new girlfriend pregnant and see even less of his kids, DH said I was ‘thinking the worst of him’ and he would ‘get it together soon’. Tonight he’s admitted he’s shocked, and that he ‘never thought one of his friends could be like this’.

Of course I don’t like that somebody else’s misfortune has constituted this learning lesson for DH but there’s some relief he’s finally realised why I’m generally so pessimistic about men. Just needed to let that out somewhere!

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Woodfiresareamazing2 · 30/06/2026 23:14

ThatCyanCat · 02/01/2026 11:23

Some women - some women - prefer a man who's already attached because it feels like he's got a seal of approval from another woman and he's already proved that he's the marrying/having kids kind. I know, I know, he's also proved that he's the cheating and ditching his family kind, but they don't see it that way, because obviously he won't do it to them. They're younger and prettier and will never turn into a boring old mum.

At 38, she probably also realises her time is running out if she wants children and single men around her age are probably looking at younger women so they don't have the time pressure. She's a much more appealing prospect for an older man looking to get his ego stroked and who, while happy to get her pregnant if she wants, probably doesn't have so much riding on whether or not they manage it.

It's extremely depressing, but it was ever thus.

100% agree with this.

I also think the new gf might not really care if he sticks around or not once she's got her baby...

He sounds like a total prick.

And your DH needs a reality check - no, it's NAMBTFM.

Not All Men But Too Fucking Many

DeftGoldHedgehog · 04/01/2026 07:11

CatsMagic · 02/01/2026 09:27

I agree with this…..

And I think it’s pretty crap
behaviour to ostracise people and cut them off for doing things you don’t agree with…. smacks of puritanical hypocrisy - who are you to demand that everyone must follow your particular rules or be punished.

People absolutely should be allowed to leave relationships/marriages. How is forcing people to stay together better ?

So you would never cut a friend off for any reason lest you be seen as puritanical? Seems a very basic way of thinking.

HelmholtzWatson · 04/01/2026 06:59

You're welcome, random woman.

The13thFairy · 03/01/2026 22:37

HelmholtzWatson · 02/01/2026 09:56

Women are just as capable of this kind of behaviour as men are. Men might be more likely to walk out on their children, but then women exclusively commit cuckoldry.

Both are equally shitty behaviours but they should be judged at the individual level, rather than stereotyping entire groups.

Thank you so much for pointing this out, random man.

ThisOldThang · 03/01/2026 15:49

GKG1 · 03/01/2026 12:56

A few people asked me to link a video of women’s experience on public transport - sorry I don’t have the ones I mentioned as I saw them on TikTok and I don’t use it anymore, and it doesn’t seem to let me search TikTok without downloading the app again. But here’s one coming up on google from Instagram which is the general gist, not the worst I’ve seen though…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRXX6rGjAbI/

There does appear to be a cultural element at play on that video...

The13thFairy · 03/01/2026 13:46

DaisyDukesAuntie · 02/01/2026 07:32

What does NAMALT mean??

Google is your friend.

GKG1 · 03/01/2026 12:56

A few people asked me to link a video of women’s experience on public transport - sorry I don’t have the ones I mentioned as I saw them on TikTok and I don’t use it anymore, and it doesn’t seem to let me search TikTok without downloading the app again. But here’s one coming up on google from Instagram which is the general gist, not the worst I’ve seen though…

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRXX6rGjAbI/

Uk Legal Safety Keychains ® on Instagram: "Using public transport as a woman….. #getpersonal #uklegalsafety #uklegalsafetyitemstocarry #uksafety #uklegalsafetykeychains #uklegalsafetykeychain #uklegalsafetyproductstocarry"

13K likes, 0 comments - getpersonal.ig on November 22, 2025: "Using public transport as a woman….. #getpersonal #uklegalsafety #uklegalsafetyitemstocarry #uksafety #uklegalsafetykeychains #uklegalsafetykeychain #uklegalsafetyproductstocarry".

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DRXX6rGjAbI/

HelmholtzWatson · 03/01/2026 04:41

Playingvideogames · 02/01/2026 10:08

90% of single parent families are headed by mothers. I wouldn’t say the ‘vast majority of men do neither’. There is a clear disparity in the sexes, stop trying to pretend there isn’t with whataboutery.

You wouldn’t say the ‘vast majority of men do neither’, but the statistics would. 20% of men report extramarital sex, which means 80% don't which is "the vast majority".

Women cheat less, but there is hardly anything in it and some data suggest younger women cheat more than younger men.

So, taring all men with the cheating bastard brush while giving women a pass is both sexist and wrong.

  • Men Cheat More (Generally): Data from sources like the Institute for Family Studies (IFS) and General Social Survey (GSS) often show men reporting higher rates of extramarital sex (around 20%) than women (around 13-19%).
  • Closing Gap: The percentage of women having affairs has increased significantly over past decades, closing the gender gap in infidelity, especially in younger generations and unmarried relationships.
  • Varying Rates: Different studies show slightly different figures, with some finding 23% of men and 20% of women admitting infidelity in at least one relationship.
  • Age & Generational Factors: Infidelity patterns vary by age, with older generations of women showing higher rates, possibly linked to the sexual revolution, while younger women's rates are rising.

Before you continue to Google Search

https://www.google.com/search?q=Institute+for+Family+Studies&oq=who+cheats+more%2C+men+or+women&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgcIARAAGIAEMgYIABBFGDkyBwgBEAAYgAQyBwgCEAAYgAQyBwgDEAAYgAQyBwgEEAAYgAQyBwgFEAAYgAQyBwgGEAAYgAQyBwgHEAAYgAQyBwgIEOsHGEDSAQg1ODcxajBqMagCALACAQ&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8&ved=2ahUKEwi7tN7exe6RAxWrUkEAHUKRPBAQgK4QegYIAQgAEAo

Fizzink38 · 02/01/2026 19:41

This is such an insightful post and really resonates with me. I vividly remember having a christmas get-together with my (now ex) DH's family when my BIL, who had left his wonderful wife of 20+ years for the (much younger) OW. He brought his (traumatised) kids and dumped them on my MIL while he spent the entire time on the phone to the OW. I was biting my tongue so hard the entire time to keep the peace.
He then tried to force her to sell their family home by not paying maintenance whilst swanning off to some luxury resort (think Dubai) and buying the biggest engagement ring I have ever seen outside of the movies.
Next Christmas? Asking about baby names with new woman - his kids nowhere in sight. My DH's 'supportive' reaction made me want to vomit, and should have been a huge warning about his behaviour when we got divorced. Guess who else hasn't paid any maintenance for his son?
At least your DH is appalled, OP, I think that's a good sign.

Playingvideogames · 02/01/2026 17:17

Illjustplayostrich · 02/01/2026 12:26

It's funny that you mention the projection of the good dad being someone who cares about social justice and goes on Palestine marches etc. We know someone who's ex left her when their daughter was 2 months old. He's never paid a penny of maintenance despite absolutely coining it and is SUCH an aresehole to her. She is punctilious about putting their child's best interests at heart and making sure there is contact. He's moderately famous and has gone on several woke bro podcasts to talk about how hard it is being a single dad and how much he adores his kid and how hard he works for her. He's also a very vocal supporter of Palestine and trans rights. I don't have the words to outline how much I despise him. Yes I know Not All Men but there are a lot of the totally useless fuckers around, aren't there.

Omg this just makes my blood boil! I don’t think I would be able to stay quiet if I was your friend. I would put out a statement giving it all straight. What a hideous human being. The smug self satisfaction and self pity is just nauseating.

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MandemChickenShop · 02/01/2026 16:52

I'm not 100% certain but I don't think you are being unreasonable.

Fair enough the guys a rizzler but should take care of his kids too

Playingvideogames · 02/01/2026 16:51

ThisOldThang · 02/01/2026 16:44

My friend's wife was shagging her boss. She left her husband and two kids and moved in with her boss and his four kids.

I mean it’s equally as worthy of condemnation, but far less common.

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ThisOldThang · 02/01/2026 16:44

My friend's wife was shagging her boss. She left her husband and two kids and moved in with her boss and his four kids.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 02/01/2026 14:19

matchboxmum · 02/01/2026 10:17

But if a woman walked away from her children to have another baby with someone else while neglecting her others that new baby would be removed and she’d be an unfit mother while the man can leave a trail of kids behind him every time he can’t be bothered to parent and just start again at will.

This. If a woman did the same exact behaviour then that WhatsApp group would either be tumbleweed after her declaration of about to have the best year ever or people piling on to tell her what a disgrace she was being. Not claps on the back and messages of congrats.

HappyNewBeer · 02/01/2026 14:06

Playingvideogames · 02/01/2026 00:07

@GKG1 I agree. It’s only when they are confronted with these things that they realise the scale of the problem. If it was a random school dad who had done this, DH would’ve shrugged and thought ‘not something that would happen among decent men like us’. It’s only now his trusted friend has acted this way that he’s realised it’s not just the ‘outward scumbags’ that can be so selfish/toxic.

And this friend very much projects the image of a good man - goes on Palestine marches, has been raising money for his new girlfriend’s favourite charity, is vocally ‘anti misogyny’ etc (I don’t want a debate about Palestine marches, I’m just explaining how he outwardly gives the image of somebody who cares about issues other than himself)

I knew a man exactly like this. Mr Good Guy decrying how terribly men treat women, does tonnes of ' good work' in the community, devoted to his wife. Till it turns out he has been long term cheating on her with multiple long term OW, simultaneously. All those good works were also acting as a cover to be out of the house cheating.

I have to say most men I know, will excuse or actually support their mates shitty behaviour to their wives. I know men who will openly support their mates hiding assets from their wife in case of divorce (or a divorce they are planning that they have not told their wife about - this includes wives who have been SAHM), or support their mates trying to find ways to reduce their maintenance payments.

Hoppinggreen · 02/01/2026 13:57

ThatCyanCat · 02/01/2026 11:15

This is performative stuff, though. It doesn't require any actual sacrifice or personal cost.

I've known a number of horrible misogynistic men who get involved in anti-misogyny drives, to hide their loathing and to undermine the actual purpose of such drives. Their interest tends to start and finish with issues that also benefit men (sex work, abortion, paying 50% for everything no matter what other duties she does that affect her earning). It's made me very wary of men who parade their feminist credentials. I don't like that, but it's just so common.

Lefty Wokebros are the worst

user1471538283 · 02/01/2026 13:48

I think they do know it but they'd rather not until they are brutally faced with it.

Each year in our city we have a shoe installation demonstrating women killed by partners. When my bf first saw it on his own it shook him up. But they still don't really get how the fear of crime means our lives are very different to theirs.

Or that we are at risk of being abandoned with DC and left to get on with it. Some people don't get that their resources need to be for the existing DC not more.

5128gap · 02/01/2026 13:42

noidea69 · 02/01/2026 11:07

its the new 38 year old he's got that i dont get. What do women see if guys like that.

Same thing their wives saw in them 20 years earlier if they can overlook the physical deterioration.
Because all those things they did and said to make their wives believe they'd found the love of their lives who was fun, caring, attentive, good father material, they will be doing the exact same to the new woman. She's not seeing dull Dave the inadequate husband, she's seeing him at his absolute best as he pulls out all the stops to win her.
Ask her a few years in though and she might struggle to tell you.

OtterlyAstounding · 02/01/2026 13:31

Playingvideogames · 02/01/2026 10:53

Really? A bit slow on the uptake yes but ‘spectacularly dim’ is way over the top. I suppose by that logic 95% of men are ‘spectacularly dim’.

On my more cynical days, I think 95% of men being 'spectacularly dim' in regards to the reality of the sexism and misogyny the world is steeped in, is actually pretty spot on! (And at least 70% of women too, to be fair!)

AInightingale · 02/01/2026 13:22

SelfRaisingFlour · 02/01/2026 12:44

I had a couple of uncles, who completely abandoned their children when their marriages broke down. I think some men just aren't interested in their own children unless they are attached to a relationship and will just move on to another woman.

One uncle even refused to meet his adult twin children when they tried to resume contact years after he left them. Our extended family supported them in their attempt to see their absent father and he still refused.

Sadly too common. Some men entering new relationships just seem to chuck their children out of their lives like a bag of rubbish from a moving car.

ThatCyanCat · 02/01/2026 13:14

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/01/2026 13:06

Have you got a link? because my very sweet but very, very naive partner has absolutely no idea and frankly by now it's pissing me off.

He's absolutely lovely and can't understand that many men .. aren't. He's that fucking naive that he didn't understand why men should cross the road to the other side from a woman if they were behind her at night. He thought it was unfair they should have to. I'm afraid I gave him an earful that it was a lot more unfair that women have to live with this justified fear. I'd like to bloody show him a video or two if you could pm the link please.

I don't think he is that sweet and lovely if you tell him he should cross the road so the woman ahead knows he isn't following her, and his response is "that's not fair on me". You've explained the reason, so it's not that he's naive and innocent. He knows.

ReleaseTheDucksOfWar · 02/01/2026 13:06

GKG1 · 02/01/2026 00:02

I showed my DH those video compilations online of women being stared at, like prey, by men on public transport. He was shocked and said he’d never seen that happen. I think it so important men have their eyes opened so they understand what women are actually dealing with.

Have you got a link? because my very sweet but very, very naive partner has absolutely no idea and frankly by now it's pissing me off.

He's absolutely lovely and can't understand that many men .. aren't. He's that fucking naive that he didn't understand why men should cross the road to the other side from a woman if they were behind her at night. He thought it was unfair they should have to. I'm afraid I gave him an earful that it was a lot more unfair that women have to live with this justified fear. I'd like to bloody show him a video or two if you could pm the link please.

SelfRaisingFlour · 02/01/2026 12:44

I had a couple of uncles, who completely abandoned their children when their marriages broke down. I think some men just aren't interested in their own children unless they are attached to a relationship and will just move on to another woman.

One uncle even refused to meet his adult twin children when they tried to resume contact years after he left them. Our extended family supported them in their attempt to see their absent father and he still refused.

Playingvideogames · 02/01/2026 12:40

Laura95167 · 02/01/2026 12:28

Voted YABU because while non of your points surprise me the schudenfreuden-esqe glee at being right bothers me. That man's poor exW and kids

Trust me there is no ‘glee’.

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Laura95167 · 02/01/2026 12:28

Voted YABU because while non of your points surprise me the schudenfreuden-esqe glee at being right bothers me. That man's poor exW and kids

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