Labour Voters. Honest question

As I asked - by doing what, where ?

Yep 💯

I think we can manage it, I don’t buy that it’s impossible. At least we’ll have a good go in a few years, see how it plays out. Perhaps you will be proved right.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/clyx4v44438o?app-referrer=deep-link

Richard Tice told the BBC on Friday that: "The manifesto in July 2024 is not appropriate for a manifesto, or a contract, whenever the next general election is."

Nevertheless, that document is the most comprehensive and recent guide to the economic aspirations of the party - and the leadership have indicated that parts of it still stand.

All this plus sorted out the farce that was wealthy boomers getting the winter fuel payment, instead correctly channelling the resource to poorer families. They are way better than any shite the Tories came up with in the last decade or so.

By doing what ? And where ?

You’d be far more effective removing the need for these types of crossing by providing asylum triage on the other side of the channel, allowing those who qualify over by legal route for processing. Then anyone else who comes over without triage could be legally removed immediately.

There would be zero incentive to cross using irregular means. This would require working closely with the EU and would give us the benefit of access to biometric data obtained at the entry point into Schengen too.

This weird isolationist desire for shuttering the borders is counterproductive. It’s an issue which requires close partnership with the EU on the other side of our borders.

Did you? Maybe just google reform tax policies so you’re more up to date and then come back to me

I doubt you could stop everyone, maybe you could bring it it down from 100 thousand to say 20 thousand?

I just told you - your link doesn’t work.

Ok, but they’re the only impartial indicators we have to go off.

As I say, that’s almost 2 years out of date. Now you are more clued up and you have some actual information to base your opinion on, do you still believe the economic plans are delusional?

And not only that, Reform tends to win in those sad, low agency places where educational achievement is low, and there are actually very few immigrants.

Because you claim it’s “open” and you claim that you can “cross the UK border” without “documentation or permission”.

So not all of our boundaries are ports with immigration facilities, yet you can approach the border by sea in a small boat wherever you like. How do you propose to stop that ?

The border isn’t “open”.

Polls 3.5 years ahead of a general election are as indicative of what will happen as a 3.5 years ahead weather forecast. I used Reform’s manifesto on which they attempted to get elected to illustrate their economic incompetence. I’m getting rather tired of going round this loop, it’s like Groundhog Day.

Incidentally your link’s Page not found.

Yes. I hate them, but we need to keep Reform out.

Just the link you don’t like? Would you be in support of decolonisation of the curriculum as laid out in the link? What are your thoughts on the 11% increase in unemployment and 32% increases in redundancies?

No idea, why would you have to?

I’ve just sent a link explaining their economic and tax plans that you were ignorant of. If you weren’t ignorant of them then why were you referencing plans that are no longer relevant?

It is looking like they’ll form the next Government according to every recent poll and published betting odds. It’s all I can really go off.

“I don’t see the analogy with murder, if you can enter UK border with no documentation or permission then the border isn’t closed.”

How on earth do you “close” 11,000 miles of coastline ?

A Conservative analysis. Yes, obviously totally objective and highly credible. 🙄

I had unemployment at 3.8% when Labour took over and now 4.6% so 20% increase. Happy to take your figures though, so unemployment up 11%. I don’t understand this ‘how you frame it’ though, it is just basic maths.

The average monthly redundancies 2024 was 38000 and was 52000 in 2025, that’s just over a 32% increase in a year. Again I’m not sure about how you frame it, frankly I would quite like a 0.5% raise using your Labour logic if my pay actually goes up 32%.

I don’t see the analogy with murder, if you can enter UK border with no documentation or permission then the border isn’t closed.

You can disagree on the terminology of the blasphemy laws that they keep trying to push, but it’s clear what it is in reality.

Again we can disagree with the terminology of decolonise the curriculum, but we both know where they’re pushing. It seems rather disingenuous to deny this, it just shows contempt for the electorate. Heres a much more recent link analysis of what Labour are attempting https://www.craig-smith.uk/news/labours-curriculum-agenda-education-or-indoctrination

The comms has got better since Tim Allen’s been back.

Having said all that - I do wish they’d sack whoever’s in charge of comms! It’s just not chiming unfortunately.

I can hardly be ignorant of their current plans if they haven’t actually got any. The only indication anyone has is the manifesto produced for the last election which is indicative of their economic strength. It’s not looking as if they’ll form the next government - we’re still 3.5 years out from the next election and anything could happen in that time. The Tories were on 41% in June 2021 and look how that turned out.

Here’s a clear summary of what the UK Labour government has done (or set in motion) to prevent and tackle violence against women and girls (VAWG) since coming to power — based on official announcements and policy developments:

🎯 1. National Strategy to Halve Violence Against Women and Girls

The government has launched a cross-government strategy aimed at halving violence against women and girls within a decade, treating it as a “national emergency.” This strategy sets out prevention, protection, and justice measures across society. ([The Guardian][1])

👮‍♀️ 2. Specialist Police and Justice Measures

Specialist police teams for rape and sexual offences are being set up across England and Wales, to improve investigations and support survivors. By 2029, dedicated units are planned in every force. “Domestic Abuse Protection Orders” (DAPOs) that can impose exclusion zones, curfews or electronic tagging for abusers are being rolled out and have already protected over 1,000 victims. ([Sky News][2])

The Crime and Policing Bill includes measures to strengthen the response to VAWG — for example new civil preventative orders and mandatory reporting duties for child sexual abuse. ([UK Parliament][3])

🆘 3. Better Immediate Response to Abuse

The government has started pilots embedding domestic abuse specialists in 999 emergency call centres so that domestic abuse calls are handled quickly and with expert support. These pilots are part of implementing “Raneem’s Law,” which aims to improve how police respond to domestic violence emergencies. ([GOV.UK][4])

💬 4. Education and Prevention

Prevention work includes funding education on healthy relationships and consent, especially in schools, as part of efforts to tackle misogyny and harmful behaviour among boys and young men. There are plans to expand how schools and communities promote respect and challenge harmful norms. ([GOV.UK][5])

📣 5. Public Awareness and Behaviour Change

A national communications campaign* is planned to raise awareness about VAWG issues and shift public attitudes.

• Funding is being provided to understand what works best to prevent violence and to pilot community safety initiatives (e.g., safety reporting tools for public spaces, plus street lighting or design improvements to make women feel safer at night). ([GOV.UK][5])

🧠 6. Support Services for Victims

The strategy includes significant investment in victims’ support, including:

A major expansion of the Victims Support Fund* (hundreds of millions invested to improve services).

• Funding for safe accommodation and specialist helplines for survivors of domestic abuse. New NHS referral services* and up to £50 million for therapeutic support for child victims of sexual abuse. ([UK Parliament][6])

📱 7. Action Against Online Abuse

The government’s approach includes measures to tackle online harm that disproportionately affects women and girls — such as stronger regulation under the Online Safety Act and moves to address issues like non-consensual image sharing (“cyberflashing”). ([Reddit][7])

📜 8. Law and Policy Commitments

Labour’s 2024 manifesto and subsequent policy plans included pledges to:

• Fast-track rape cases through the courts using specialist courts.
• Make “spiking” a specific criminal offence.
• Strengthen protections against stalking.
• Place specialist domestic abuse advocates in police forces. ([House of Commons Library][8])

📌 What Supporters and Campaigners Say

Campaigners have welcomed the strategy’s recognition of VAWG as a serious priority, especially the focus on prevention, specialist policing units, and awareness campaigns — but many also say more funding and faster implementation are still needed for front-line services. ([The Guardian][1])

🧠 Summary

Since coming to power, the Labour government has taken a multi-layered approach to preventing and responding to violence against women and girls, including:

A landmark government strategy* with long-term targets.

• Specialist policing and protective legal tools.
• Better emergency response systems.
• Education and prevention work.
• Public awareness campaigns.
• Boosted support services for survivors.
• Online safety measures.

Many of these measures are ongoing and will be phased in over several years, but they represent significant policy focus and resource commitment compared with past approaches. ([GOV.UK][5])

If you’d like, I can break down what’s already been implemented vs what’s planned for the future — or give a concise rundown of criticisms of the approach as well.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2025/dec/18/uk-government-strategy-to-protect-women-and-girls-from-violence-seriously-underfunded?utm_source=chatgpt.com "UK government strategy to protect women and girls from violence ‘seriously underfunded’ | Violence against women and girls | The Guardian"
[2]: https://news.sky.com/story/specialist-teams-and-online-investigators-deployed-across-england-and-wales-to-tackle-national-emergency-of-violence-against-women-and-girls-13483076?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Specialist teams and online investigators deployed across England and Wales to tackle 'national emergency' of violence against women and girls | UK News | Sky News"
[3]: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmpublic/CrimePolicing/memo/CPB08.htm?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Crime and Policing Bill (27th March 2025)"
[4]: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/new-measures-set-out-to-combat-violence-against-women-and-girls?utm_source=chatgpt.com "New measures set out to combat violence against women and girls - GOV.UK"
[5]: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/tackling-violence-against-women-and-girls-strategy/tackling-violence-against-women-and-girls-strategy?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Tackling violence against women and girls strategy (accessible version) - GOV.UK"
[6]: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm5901/cmselect/cmhaff/1352/report.html?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Tackling violence against women and girls: Funding"
[7]: https://www.reddit.com//r/GoodNewsUK/comments/1nzeqta?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Government strengthens tech regulation to tackle cyberflashing | End Violence Against Women"
[8]: https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2024-0183/?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Tackling violence against women and girls - House of Commons Library"

I don’t want Reform or the Tories in charge.
I worry that The Greens will split the left and make this more likely.

I’ve pulled some of Labour’s achievements below for you op:

Economic and Living Standards

1. Minimum Wage & Pay Growth

1. Economy & Cost-of-Living Measures

1. Interest Rates & Financial Stability

Housing

1. Big Boost to Housing Investment

1. Renters’ Rights Law

Public Services

1. NHS Investment and Backlog Reductions

1. Best Start / Sure Start Expansion

Jobs, Skills & Youth Opportunities

1. Apprenticeships & Employment Programmes

1. Worker Rights Improvements

Climate, Energy & Infrastructure
10. Renewable Energy & Net Zero Commitment
• The government has moved to expand renewable energy — including removing planning barriers for onshore wind and progress in grid connections — and commits to deep emissions cuts. friendsoftheearth.uk
11. Water Sector Reform
• Legislation has strengthened regulators and plans to overhaul water services, with long-term infrastructure strategywork underway. Institution of Civil Engineers (ICE)
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Policy & Governance
12. Border and Security Reforms
• The Rwanda scheme was ended (saving projected costs) and a new Border Security Command was established to prioritise organised-crime enforcement. The Guardian
13. Anti-Corruption Measures
• A new anti-corruption strategy and Domestic Corruption Unit are being funded to tackle financial crime and dirty money. LabourList

Other Notable Deliveries
• A Strategic Defence Review was launched to reassess UK defence priorities. Wikipedia
• Prison capacity increases and probation funding plans aim to modernise the criminal justice system. LabourList

Context & Nuance
It’s worth noting:
• Some achievements are new or still being implemented, so full impacts may take time to materialise.
• Public opinion on government performance is mixed, and there are debates about delivery speed and communication. The Guardian+1
• Not all metrics are positive across the board — for example, issues remain in areas like investment levels and GP waiting times that critics highlight. The Scottish Sun+1

In summary
Labour’s government since July 2024 has focused on raising living standards, strengthening workers’ rights, investing in public services and infrastructure, expanding housing, supporting youth employment, progressing clean energy goals, and stabilising the economy — with several important laws passed and programmes launched. Many initiatives are designed for long-term impact rather than instant results.