Labour Voters. Honest question

I would vote Labour again, as I did last time, not because I feel particularly inspired by them but because Reform would be far worse. I voted Labour in the last GE even though my kids are in private school and it has cost me money. I think they are better for the country than the Tories and certainly better than Reform. I would love to have a more exciting and optimistic alternative, but there is none. The day that Farage becomes PM will herald an extremely dark time for us all. Where I live, it will come down to Labour vs Reform, and so there is no choice really.

6500 more teachers

What? No they haven't. They haven't claimed to either.

Wow!

Let's take a look.

Digital I.D.

It isn't an I.D. we already have several perfectly good state I.D documents. What a Digital I.D does is link every aspect of your life to a database which can be interrogated at will. The prime mi inter has said that it will cost £85 pounds per transaction for anyone who refuses to share their Digital QR code. You clearly have been so blinded by freedom and autonomy that you can't see when the state are taking it away from you.

Pay per mile.

Do you drive?

If so, and you have a car made after Sept 2022, you will have been asked to accept terms and conditions of an Infotainment Syatem Update. Amongst the features you were forced accept is a "Driver Safety Score", or to give it it's proper title, a digital tracker. These are already capable of sending your vehicle to your manufacturers App. In 2028, they will be used to send your movements to the government. Do you know what data those systems contain? Approx 32 GB per hour of your personal data. Your phone records. Thry log all phones that enter the vehicle, all calls, texts from phones that connect to the vehicle. The KGB would have wet themselves at this level of surveillance.

You are OK with an employee of the state having the only say over you fate when charged with an offence?

By unreliable, I take it you mean Jurys don't convict enough people for your liking?

Cashless will render you destitute in the event of a power cut. Your babk account is already regulated to the point that you have to explain and even provide proof to your bank if you want to take more than 1k in cash out of your account. Imagine the abuses that will happen when your access to "money" can be stopped entirely by a the "flick of a switch".

Wake yp!

Not after their demonization of women standing up for our rights. The shitshow in not accepting a Supreme Court judgement, the expulsion of “gender critical “ women etc. No thanks.

Genuine question - where did the 1,000 more GPs and 6,500 more teachers come from? Did we have this many qualified, jobless people before and now the new roles have opened they’ve all been filled? Or are there more open but unfilled roles?

These aren’t roles you magically fill out of nowhere so I always wonder how they can achieve this in 18 months,

You were posting about it 😆

I much much prefer them to the Tories. The tone of things at work (non-departmental public body) was immediately more positive. I agree with a decent proportion of the changes labour have made. I don't think the Tories ever actually DID anything. Not for the last 5 years. They just sit about and gwarfing in PMQs. I wish labour would reform the whole system of government, it's just embarrassing. Locally, our entrenched Tory MP was ousted by Lib Dem and it's a breath of fresh air.

I find it hard to believe in Labour currently given the way they present themselves and the decisions they make. However I can’t honestly say I feel the other parties would do any better (likely they’d be much worse). Here are some issues that I feel were especially poorly handled:

• Bridget Philipson’s delaying tactic’s and refusal to lay the updated EHRC guidelines before Parliament.
• The greenlighting of solar farms on high grade farm land.
• Labour’s rejection of a significant number of buildings being Listed.
• Their proposed introduction of an Islamophobia definition.
• The farmers’ inheritance tax.
• The transition from EU farming subsidies to a sustainable model for UK farmers - lots scrapped.
• Their delays closing loopholes that make the UK attractive to illegal immigrants.
• Lowering of training standards and training time in trades in order to meet quotas, essentially impoverishing our trades in the long term.

There isn’t a single party that honestly and straightforwardly represents the issues I would be most likely to vote for (tackling climate change, protecting and improving the NHS, controlling immigration to prevent endless population growth, women’s rights, supporting farmers, protecting UK heritage), so it comes down to the question of which party is likely to do the least damage long term. Currently, despite my disappointment, it’s probably still Labour.

I voted Labour - unfortunately my MP is Zahra Sultana so not quite what I voted for. Depending on the candidate I would vote Labour again.

Let’s not hijack this thread about the current government with a sidestep into debating cash vs digital payments.

Start a thread on that perhaps if we want to explore it.

In Scotland many people vote Labour to keep the SNP out. That’s it.

I suspect that in many many cases both in Scotland and elsewhere Labour have historically appeared the least worst of an appalling set of options. Whether that will continue to be the case remains to be seen.

You don’t want any cash?

They could stop anything any fringe group has a bee in their bonnet about.

But cashless payments are more convenient, popular, more secure, and overall much cheaper.

We should follow Europe’s lead in keeping US corporations VISA and MasterCard out of the loop - no reason they should skim fees from UK domestic payments really. This is where a CBDC will help.

Yes the Tories are tainted with it too as they did indeed arrange for him to have UK citizenship.

As I said on the other thread, I find myself politically homeless now as wouldn't vote for any of the main parties at the moment. I am a floating voter who normally always votes in general elections.

I used to find it hard to understand why people - especially women - would choose not to exercise their right to vote but I get it now.

Could they stop it?

Yes they could.

Wake up!

The Tories are tainted with this also aren't they though? Didn't they arrange for him to have UK citizenship to enable him to come back? (Not saying that having this individual here should be celebrated at all but it wasn't just Labour's involvement that got him back)

I feel the same. I have mostly always voted Labour and voted for them this time because I agreed with their centre Left policies. I agreed with the workers rights bill and the increases in minimum wage but I admit that this has killed the jobs market, especially for younger people. Its all very well saying ' I earn £300k a year and still vote Labour'. Lack of entry level jobs for your young people dont affect you as much as it will if you have teens who you cant afford to subsidise through college and University, so need them to get jobs and work experience. Or if you are on a mid range salary but you may as well be on minimum wage because minimum wage increases mean that your employer can't afford pay rises for everyone else, or you are doing the work of 3 people because people who leave arent replaced. None of these things affect you as much if you earn £300k as they would if you were on £40 or £50k.
I think I have sadly realised that what people said about Labour before the election was true. That no matter what gets them elected, there is no group of people who hate Labour governments more than people in the Labour Party. They are held to ransom by their backbench MPs and by their members, so can't get anything done, then make stupid decisions they have to overturn and cost more money because they have to appease them.

Agree! I voted Labour last time to get rid of the smug, insufferable Tories.

17 months is insufficient time to turn the oil tanker that is our political landscape. It will take more time. Disappointed with a few things that they have reversed on but they've delivered on some stuff that they promised (see first poster). And yes, I'd vote for them again.

My instinct for Farage is hell, no but I've not done any in-depth reading into Reform's beliefs, wants and plans.

As for the Greens, they can get in the bin as they believe TWAW. Nah...

I wouldn't vote for Labour again - because they've taken my vote and used it to push legislation for Tory/Reform policies.

Look at their horrendous plans for the immigration system, stirring up racism and pandering to Farage.

Look at how long it took them to remove the two child benefit cap.

Credit to Ed Milliband and he is trying to take concrete steps to reduce climate change, but Kier Starmer has less commitment than even Boris Johnson on the green agenda.

Labour think they are shedding voters to Reform. They are ignoring the votes they are shedding to the greens - or even the Lib Dems!

The demonisation of those too unwell/disabled to work is straight out of the Tory playbook.

This is my biggest disappointment with them. It’s part of a larger problem of trying to ‘chase the reform vote’ I think and they need to stop doing it. Not least because it’s what the Tories ended up trying to do and still are. It didn’t exactly end up well for them.

Yes exactly, no one also questions why Reform accepted Russian bribes through Nathan Gill, why we have the boats situation because of Brexit and are poorer all round. It was all brushed under the carpet. My biggest concern is the NHS it will be sold to the US companies. Over 500’000 Americans file bankruptcy every year because they can’t pay their healthcare bills. My family in the US are seeing their healthcare bills double and increase every year.

I would like to see us all come together and boycott those companies that don’t pay corporation tax here like Caffè Nero, Amazon, Starbucks and others. We the people have the power but the right wing media wants to divert our attention to blame others, instead of the billionaires that control our media and social media and hoard resources and power.

I think the other problem is that it doesn’t take into account the role that tactical voting now plays. I’ve moved so I wouldn’t vote Labour in this constituency it would be a mad choice that would let the tories back in.
I’d happily vote for them again in a different constituency.

Ate there things I disagree with? Yes. But they are the best option we’ve had for the country in a long time. I certainly won’t be voting Tory again for a long time, if ever and I’ll never vote for reform.

It’s not ‘lifelong Labour voters’ they need to keep, obviously they will stick with them anyway. It’s those who are less fixed as voters. Agree with your points btw

The way I'm feeling right now, I wouldn't vote for Starmer again after this - him enthusiastically welcoming an extremist with antisemitic views into Britain.

If Labour changed their leader before the next GE and I thought they had more genuine concern for the Jewish community, I would consider voting for them again. Though the only one I like at the moment is Wes Streeting.

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/5466146-to-think-that-kier-starmer-shouldnt-be-welcoming-extremists-into-britain?reply=149452313

“and absolutely nothing to introduce more progressive taxation that would benefit those on low incomes.”

What kind of more progressive taxation do you think should be introduced?