Labour Voters. Honest question

I have to say if anyone has received constant attacks and dirt digging it has to be Farage. It's really stepped up a notch in recent months. I think parties, particularly Labour, have been desperately trying to bring him down because they're panicking that the threat of Reform getting in at the next GE is very real. But unfortunately Labour have instead had to switch their focus to controlling corruption in their own party over the last 6 months.

Our MP changed from a long-standing and particularly ineffective and absent Conservative to a young, ambitious Labour. Prescriptions are now filled faster, we suddenly got a whole load of roads resurfaced - even rurally. And building projects unstalled after years of NIMBYism.

Things started to actually change where they had been frozen in time with the previous guy.

💯 agreed. It’s like someone (forget who) in a newspaper article said recently - Labour politicians and people supporting Labour spout the same old shit slogans and statements, on repeat, with zero facts to back them up.

Slogans and soundbites like ‘smash the gangs’ and ‘end child poverty’ are designed to short-circuit thought and leave reason at the door. Used to tremendous success by the communists and nazis.

Embarrassing really. To say the least.

You are also referring to Raynor, Reeves, Mandelson too I'm guessing with the corruption and lies?

I'm not the person you're referring to, but I've also seen improvements around here, where I am.
Police on the streets, which I haven't seen for years.
Kind of nice and reassuring to have a "bobby on the beat" again, who you can pass "hellos" to as they go by.
Ringing up the doctors at 8am in the morning and actually getting an appointment for the same day instead of hearing "you are 29th in the queue" then when you eventually get through an hour or so later they've all gone and "ring back tomorrow" 🙄 for more of the same
Just two off the top of my head.

What a heartening thread! Thanks for posting so goadily OP, and thanks for taking the time to answer seriously everyone. There’s a load of good stuff happening that it’s easy to forget and overlook. Plus some big mistakes too which have been well pointed out.

I didn’t vote Labour as I had to vote Lib Dem in my constituency to get the Tories out, and prior to that I was in Caroline Lucas’ constituency and voted for her - regardless of party I thought she was an excellent and valuable voice to have in parliament. But to answer the point behind your question - who would you like to see form the next government: Labour. Absolutely. Because the Tories and Reform are evil and corrupt and inept. And no one else is a serious contender.

At least with Labour I believe that there are serious people with half a brain at least trying to make things better for ordinary people rather than just getting as much as they can for themselves. Even though they are by no means perfect and I could moan about them for ages!

They didn't. Those are just figures that were in their manifesto. Meaningless drivel.

Ha, this is nearly an exact list of the issues I care about too. I rarely seem find people with the same combination of priorities/opinions as me.

I have always voted Labour, but I don’t feel particularly thrilled with them anymore. I feel quite politically homeless. However, if a GE was called right now I suspect they’d get my vote purely for lack of an appealing alternative.

Agree

I agree with this. Plus there’s been no accountability from the Tories. So no I don’t feel like I can trust them.

I agree about Polanski and Farage. Bith chancers. However, Reforms support comes in areas which have a larger than average ( in Farages case double) the number of welfare and PIP claimants than the National average. Once Reform has to put actual policies out he will be in the same bind as Labour. Rich backers who want reduced wefare and a free matket and people who are anti immigration but also dependent on welfare so dont/ cannot work but vote Reform. Polanskis votes are mainly from the Further Left which will hold much better. Although the Mango Greens may not be happy as hes completely abandoned anything environmental in favour of building over the countryside, trans rights and Gaza . There is a distinct possibility that both of those parties will collapse under scrutiny come 2029 because party memberships dont win election ( as Jeremy Corbyn discovered)

💯 agree with everything you’ve written.

Several of those points aren't true but regardless, nothing in that list goes any way to offsetting the grave damage Labour has already caused to this country. There is never any good news with the current government.

The poll doesn’t reflect the thread title, and I suspect, because the OP hasn’t come back, deliberately so.

Johnson did the lying all himself

The major reason for the Tories being labelled corrupt was the Labour campaign of lies

Now you're having a laugh. Contracts for their mates to make millions during Covid? Johnson and his dodgy Russian contacts, his parties, his putting some unknown young woman in the House of Lords? And that's the tip of the iceberg. They were labelled corrupt because they are corrupt, on a scale visible to Stevie Wonder. That's why they are polling at something like 5%

..this sums up Labour. Economically illiterate - and when running a country, that is a particularly terrible thing. But I understand that those in receipt of free cash won’t care about this, until their free cash stops.

@MandingoAteMyBaby ‘Big improvements round here almost immediately.’

What are the immediate improvements you’ve seen where you live?

More trustworthy? You really are having a laugh. The major reason for the Tories being labelled corrupt was the Labour campaign of lies.

That’s not a comment in support of Reform, by the way. They’re a bunch of shysters.

I voted for them and would again.

Briefly:
NHS waiting lists are falling.
Interest rates are falling.
Net migration is falling.
Workers rights have been improved.
In two minds about the two child cap being scrapped, but I don't think children should be punished for the sins of their parents.

I don't really care whether my nearest lamppost has an England flag on it or not, it's not a priority to me, so I wouldn't vote Reform.

The Tories don't actually have a better, more imaginative, or very different answer to a lot of the structural problems the country faces in my opinion. They mostly seem to be a Reform tribute act. With an add on of criticising things that they did or started to do themselves whilst in government.

I'd like to see some more support for small businesses, particularly pubs, and also a bit more radicalism and confidence in delivery. If they could project more of an air of competence and direction whilst doing it that would also be good.

Yes.

I think they should be given time.

Plus agree with PP, what’s the alternative? They are more trustworthy than the Tories and Reform.

The electorate wants simple answers to complex, long standing, structural issues. We are a low productivity country living beyond its means. We have a press that panders to ignorance and prejudice and is largely inherently anti Labour. They have not made a good start and need to get a grip in the next year or they will lose even more support. As for who to vote for next time the alternatives are pretty unpalatable to me. Polanski and Farage are two sides of the same coin, eloquent chancers.

Yes I would.
Partly because of my local constituency MP - she’s quite good, and Reform came second in the last election I believe so I think I would vote for pretty much anyone to keep those absolute incompetent arseholes out.

But party due to them being the ones I disagree with/dislike least, rather than any real sense of them winning me over etc.
I won’t vote Reform. Ever.
I don’t like the Lib Dems, in particular the local candidate last time (but would vote for them if the constituency was between them and Reform)
I don’t like the Tories (but as per Lib Dems, would vote for them)
I think Zack Polanski is truly just a complete idiot (but in the unlikely event of a Green/Reform constituency, I would pick him over Farage).

Labour voter here & I would vote for them again, same reasons as above really. It'll take years to try & sort the shit show of the Torys. I'm so fed up with politics becoming a vote for personalities l such as Farage/Trump/Boris. For me good leadership is being honest, thoughtful & having integrity & quietly getting on with the job & accepting that difficult decisions have to be made.

Most defendants, where given the choice, choose jury trials over a magistrates trial, so while it might be the right decision for justice (because decisions aren’t made based on how you look) - it’s not the choice most defendants would make (who overwhelming would prefer to give the decision to someone who might judge them on how they look).