Labour Voters. Honest question

Do you think only interns dislike Labour?

Although we are 14 pages in, I love the first page of replies.

I'm guessing, not what the OP was expecting.
Notably she hasn't returned to engage with her thread.

Presumably another of the interns paid to start the 3 or 4 threads a week slagging off the labour party ?

And while we’re at it can we stop calling it ‘30 free hours’ it’s not 30 free hours… 30 hours per week over 38 weeks meaning for the vast majority it’s at best 22 or in mg case we can only use 6 a day so if you work 4 days a week it’s 24 for 38 weeks spread over 52 which I think is 18 or so…. On those 18 hours I have to pay a ‘surcharge’ and then they’ve jacked the price up on the other hours so I am literally no better off at all.

They are low average. I was hoping for a stronger and more competent government after the tories. What was the thinking behind the NI rise for employers - complete madness. What was the thinking behind putting full VAT on school fees? Why did they not choose a lower rate say 5%. Round here the good state schools have seen an influx of kids who woould have gone private making it harder for less privileged kids to get in. I bet getting into a grammar school now is like the hunger games. Why didn't they just improve state schools instead? It feels very idealolical and preachy. I am sort of ok with Keir Starmer but he needs to stop changing his mind. over everything. Everyone I know feels flat and a bit worried about the future. I think there needs to be growth in the economy or everyone who is mobile (by skills or nationality) will leg it.

She’s not an alternative, she’s not the leader of a party?

What Reform policies don’t you like?

Cameron promised a referendum to silence his backbench Eurosceptic lunatics but didn't really expect to win the election, and then when the Labour Party picked Ed over David, he won it anyway.

Cameron was an ardent Remainer. Labour traditionally were much less enthusiastic about the EU. Corbyn was virtually invisible for the whole campaign.

The 30 hours free childcare was a Tory policy that was being phased in. It’s a terrible scheme so not sure why they are trying to take credit for it. Nursery bills are still sky high due to cost increases like NI hikes.

i don’t know of any schools that have free breakfast clubs unless you are pupil premium. It’s £5 for me and has been for years

the 6500 new teachers is only what they have said they want - not what has materialised. I believe there are now less teachers in fact

Do you not care about the people who are put out of work - how many?
the closed businesses - how many?
the farmers who committed suicide over the IHT - which hasn’t yet happened
the increase in rents - market forces
the closure of 270 independent schools - 60
the custodial sentences for Facebook posts - Connolly pleaded guilty
the low GDP growth - like the rest of the world
the people who can’t find jobs - why can’t they?
the tax increases squeezing families - there have been no tax rises affecting individuals
the fiscal drag until 2031 - would you have preferred tax rises?
the open borders policies - don’t exist
blasphemy laws - what blasphemy laws?
the decolonisation of state school policies - what does that even mean?

Words salad.

There's a range of stuff I care about. While MN is social media, it's 100% anonymous, and this is an actual thread about who, how and why we vote. So it seems logical to write about why.

But if you can only see virtue signalling in wanting to live in a civilised society, I'd posit you're already voting Tory and therefore not in a position to criticise.

One example is because inflation is lower, when it’s actually higher. The other example is because you feel better off even though you have no ‘facts’.

You got me, your logic has defeated me ….Labour are doing an amazing job.

She crashed the market with her budget, people are still feeling the effects

Great example of a better alternative

Reform will be Truss on steroids, even better

What? I never said ‘Ed Miliband somehow forced Cameron to offer a referendum..’.
Quite bizarre thought processes you have there..

@CainsArm You asked for a single example, I gave you one, you’ve had two in fact, don’t go spitting your dummy now.

Clearly the electorate don’t always think Labour are blameless. They get voted out for not doing well. They’re just a political party subject to scrutiny.

The Blair government was voted in at the end of the 90s after 18 years of Tory government. The misinformation on this thread is mind blowing.

Alistair Darling, then Chancellor, acknowledged that austerity was inevitable whoever was in power.

Posting on social media that you only vote for who seems to care the most even if it makes things worse for you is text book virtue signalling. Do you not care about the people who are put out of work, the closed businesses, the farmers who committed suicide over the IHT, the increase in rents, the closure of 270 independent schools, the custodial sentences for Facebook posts, the low GDP growth, the people who can’t find jobs, the tax increases squeezing families, the fiscal drag until 2031, the open borders policies, blasphemy laws, the decolonisation of state school policies ?

And a global issue not caused by the Labour government and which we were recovering well from by 2010. Until some people decided to austerity the hell out of the country and grind the recovery to a halt.

As far as I remember that wasn’t the Labour government either.

Pffft. Black Wednesday happened when the Tories were in power.

I don’t know, but I have ample evidence that the Tories won’t. And that’s the right with its ‘senses’?!

Really? There’s a reason Labour get voted out too. In the 70s and 90s.

It’s just how it goes the electorate votes them out when things feel broken, Labour isn’t immune to that.

Your fantasy.

I voted ‘you are not BU’ but partly because I’m disappointed in the short term and if there was a ballot tomorrow I would vote Lib Dem (for the first time since I was 18 - I’ve always voted Labour). But there is still time for things to change. Too much disappointment and echoing reform values so far though

It would have to have been st some point between 97 and 99 in that fantasy since the Tories were in government for most of the 90s.

There was a recession in the early and mid-1990s under the Tories, but things were looking up when Blair won in 1997. I think Denizen probably meant 2008, and the GFC, which was genuinely terrifying.