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To think housing in this country is fundamentally broken?

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BrokenHousingLogic · 15/12/2025 15:25

Whether you rent privately, rent socially or own, it feels like the system isn’t really working for anyone.

• Rents are high and insecure
• Buying is out of reach for many
• Social housing is under strain
• Landlords and tenants feel pitted against each other
• Local authorities seem overwhelmed

It often feels like people are arguing with each other instead of addressing the fact that the whole structure is failing.

AIBU to think this goes beyond individual choices and points to a system-wide problem?

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Chinsupmeloves · 26/12/2025 21:35

As a heavily populated country and the restrictions on building in many areas this has been the case for a long time.

More people, less infrastructure, cities and towns are bulging, council houses became a available to buy.

To think housing in this country is fundamentally broken?
Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:30

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:27

You said bad choices in "life, career and marriage".
Life can throw all sorts at us... some of it totally unavoidable. No one goes into a career or marriage knowing it will go wrong further down the line. Yes, my ex cheating on me after nearly a decade was my fault. I should have known he would do that from the start, eh?

Of course it is not your fault and I am sorry you have had a cheating ex. However, that doesn't mean you can't work or date again. It also means you have to step up financially. It is hardly the problem of someone else.

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:30

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:27

Agreed. Particularly if they are not making the effort to improve their lives and blaming someone else for their choices.

"Blaming someone else for their choices" does not make sense.

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:27

tiredofchristmas · 26/12/2025 20:19

Err, why should working people pay to subsidise someone to live in areas they would like to but can’t afford?

Agreed. Particularly if they are not making the effort to improve their lives and blaming someone else for their choices.

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:27

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:24

If you make a bad choice, who do you blame?

You said bad choices in "life, career and marriage".
Life can throw all sorts at us... some of it totally unavoidable. No one goes into a career or marriage knowing it will go wrong further down the line. Yes, my ex cheating on me after nearly a decade was my fault. I should have known he would do that from the start, eh?

Talkinpeace · 26/12/2025 21:26

How should those unable to ever work full time be housed ?
In the private sector with profits removed from the funding system
or in Social Housing ?

I know many people who have never / will never work through no fault of their own
they NEED housing
it should be provided at the least cost to the taxpayer

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:24

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:15

Ah, that old chestnut. Any misfortune in your life is your fault and you should have prepared and/or took more responsibility.

If you make a bad choice, who do you blame?

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:22

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:18

Easier said than done. The country needs people to do the low paid jobs. They are vital.

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Yes, take a job (could be low paid) until the right role turns up.

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:22

JenniferBooth · 26/12/2025 21:19

It always interests me this TAKE a job. I thought you had to be offered one first after a job interview Tell me where is this magical place where you can just take a job

And you need to have been given an interview to start with.
There are lots of threads on here about how dire the job market is right now. Why do so many people think it is as easy as popping a CV into a shop/office now? Times have moved on so much.

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:21

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:15

Ah, that old chestnut. Any misfortune in your life is your fault and you should have prepared and/or took more responsibility.

Well in the vast majority of cases your life does depend on your choices. Are you seriously suggesting every time someone makes a bad decision it is always someone elses fault?

JenniferBooth · 26/12/2025 21:19

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:17

Maybe aim higher in your career aspirations and don't be defeatist. Take what is available job wise until you find your niche and don't go down the benefit route.

It always interests me this TAKE a job. I thought you had to be offered one first after a job interview Tell me where is this magical place where you can just take a job

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:18

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:17

Maybe aim higher in your career aspirations and don't be defeatist. Take what is available job wise until you find your niche and don't go down the benefit route.

Easier said than done. The country needs people to do the low paid jobs. They are vital.

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:17

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:14

Yes, and it seems should be prepared to move cross country for a zero hour NMW job .

Maybe aim higher in your career aspirations and don't be defeatist. Take what is available job wise until you find your niche and don't go down the benefit route.

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:15

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:13

I am referring to the young at the beginning of their career. If someone makes unwise choices in life, career or marriage it is tough but it shouldn't be something the tax payer needs to sort out.

Many on mumsnet need to learn the importance of personal responsibility and take pride in their life and own their decisions.

Ah, that old chestnut. Any misfortune in your life is your fault and you should have prepared and/or took more responsibility.

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:14

JenniferBooth · 26/12/2025 21:11

Are we now assuming that all unemployed ppl are nomads

Yes, and it seems should be prepared to move cross country for a zero hour NMW job .

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:13

YouHaveAnArse · 26/12/2025 20:34

People can't afford to share. And bit difficult to do that if you have a family, or are divorced and need somewhere your kids can stay with you at weekends.

Moving to a "cheaper area" means the prices in that area start going up - where do the people already there, presumably on lower wages, manage to live? - and also doesn't help you if your job - or even industry as a whole - is not in the same area, or your family aren't, or your kids' schools.

I am referring to the young at the beginning of their career. If someone makes unwise choices in life, career or marriage it is tough but it shouldn't be something the tax payer needs to sort out.

Many on mumsnet need to learn the importance of personal responsibility and take pride in their life and own their decisions.

JenniferBooth · 26/12/2025 21:11

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:07

If you are unemployed and don't own a home (so easily mobile) isn't it commonsense to prioritise your career and move to a place where you have employment opportunities?

Are we now assuming that all unemployed ppl are nomads

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 21:10

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:07

If you are unemployed and don't own a home (so easily mobile) isn't it commonsense to prioritise your career and move to a place where you have employment opportunities?

Moving is not cheap, and there is huge competition even for private rentals. Someone on UC because they don't have a job (so will be on £400pm) is not going to have a couple of grand spare for moving and a deposit.

Balletpoint · 26/12/2025 21:07

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 20:16

The person I was quoting said that unemployed people should be forced to move to cheaper areas to save money on housing benefit. Nothing to do with cutting back on cars or holiday, or homes they don't even own.

If you are unemployed and don't own a home (so easily mobile) isn't it commonsense to prioritise your career and move to a place where you have employment opportunities?

YouHaveAnArse · 26/12/2025 20:43

Ah, the Shirley Porter approach to solving housing issues.

YouHaveAnArse · 26/12/2025 20:34

Balletpoint · 21/12/2025 12:48

Everyone finds housing expensive. Cut your cloth accordingly applies to everyone. If too expensive, share or move to a cheaper area.

People can't afford to share. And bit difficult to do that if you have a family, or are divorced and need somewhere your kids can stay with you at weekends.

Moving to a "cheaper area" means the prices in that area start going up - where do the people already there, presumably on lower wages, manage to live? - and also doesn't help you if your job - or even industry as a whole - is not in the same area, or your family aren't, or your kids' schools.

tiredofchristmas · 26/12/2025 20:28

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 20:23

So all the poor people should be made to live in the cheapest area? How can you not see the potential issues with that?

None whatsoever. Do you seriously think it’s right that people can get subsidised housing in a glamorous place to live, when if we shipped them elsewhere the country would save a fourtune? Why? Think of what those savings could be used for! Expanding social housing for one.

Young professionals (pretty much everyone i know) moved to the other ends of the country to find work in their chosen field. Moving someone from a salubrious area to a less salubrious area to save the state £££ I have no issue with. We have far better things to spend the money on.

YouHaveAnArse · 26/12/2025 20:25

Balletpoint · 16/12/2025 18:53

I agree. If a 1 bed is out of reach for a mid life single, I suggest a studio apartment rather than HMO. That way they have privacy and safety.

They can't afford them, that's why they're in HMOs. Or they can but don't have a guarantor (which most landlords want now even for professionals). Or are trying to rent one but bidding wars are pushing the price up too high.

XenoBitch · 26/12/2025 20:23

tiredofchristmas · 26/12/2025 20:19

Err, why should working people pay to subsidise someone to live in areas they would like to but can’t afford?

So all the poor people should be made to live in the cheapest area? How can you not see the potential issues with that?

YouHaveAnArse · 26/12/2025 20:20

OhDear111 · 15/12/2025 22:57

@Brillopadhair Many councils have a no car or one car policy. They want residents to use public transport so parking is kept to a minimum to enhance density. This enables more homes. If people want space, they have to pay more for it. I bet the homes were sold though. It’s only people with snobby ideals that look down on smaller homes. The people in them just want a home. We would all like a 5 bed executive house taking up acres, but in reality most people know they cannot afford such a house and way more land would be used to build housing if we greatly decrease density. See other posts about this!

We don't drive nor want to own a car (money pit that I can't be arsed with) and when we were looking for a place to buy it quickly became apparent how many new build estates assumed car ownership. Want to go to the shops on public transport instead? Walk into town? Good luck with that.

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