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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 2025-12-01T08:14:16+00:00

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy. i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:06

randomchap · 01/12/2025 14:05

Ah yes, it's just oh so easy to get a job

Anyone peddling simple solutions to complex situations is either a fool or a fraudster

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And thus far, has throwing endless money at people been a solution?

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:05

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:53

Typo. Means testing. The state pension is likely to get so unaffordable in the near future that anyone who has any sort of means is unlikely to get one at all. I’m mid 40s and don’t expect to get a pension.

I want benefits cut to a level where people are forced to work, and preferable paid in food vouchers. No netflix, hair cuts, nails etc. just food, utilities and rent. If you want more you have to work. I want the money saved to provide much higher benefits to those who have worked in the past and are temporarily unable to do so.

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Universal Credit doesn't cover utilities let alone Council tax. Even if you never use gas and electric you have to pay a standing charge.

Food vouchers are costly to administer and those who work would have to pay that via higher taxes.

randomchap · 01/12/2025 14:05

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:00

If they don’t like it they can do what the rest of us do and get a job. Why do you have an issue with that? What’s your problem exactly?

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Ah yes, it's just oh so easy to get a job

Anyone peddling simple solutions to complex situations is either a fool or a fraudster

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:04

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:00

If they don’t like it they can do what the rest of us do and get a job. Why do you have an issue with that? What’s your problem exactly?

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The majority of people on benefits have a job. And the majority of those that don't have a reason why they can't work, carers for example

My issue is the forced labour and paying in food vouchers you are suggesting and the general benefit bashing.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:04

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:55

Can you explain to me how Reform will suddenly within months turn the Brexit debacle on its head? After all Farage started it.

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It was a post on higher taxes lowering growth for Labour. If you’re interested in Reform’s policies have a read.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:00

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:57

Forced labour and paid in food vouchers, wow

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If they don’t like it they can do what the rest of us do and get a job. Why do you have an issue with that? What’s your problem exactly?

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:58

DdraigGoch · 01/12/2025 13:55

Remind me, under which party did net migration exceed 900k in a year? Was it the same one who once promised to get it under 100k/year?

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Is Keir Starmer’s policy actually putting taxes on the average young professional worker so high that they flee overseas? Is he doing that intentionally just to bring the numbers down? Odd policy.

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:57

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:53

Typo. Means testing. The state pension is likely to get so unaffordable in the near future that anyone who has any sort of means is unlikely to get one at all. I’m mid 40s and don’t expect to get a pension.

I want benefits cut to a level where people are forced to work, and preferable paid in food vouchers. No netflix, hair cuts, nails etc. just food, utilities and rent. If you want more you have to work. I want the money saved to provide much higher benefits to those who have worked in the past and are temporarily unable to do so.

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Forced labour and paid in food vouchers, wow

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:55

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 13:51

Higher taxes won’t help growth. Even Labour have uttered that. And yet £40bn and £26bn in extra taxes.

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Can you explain to me how Reform will suddenly within months turn the Brexit debacle on its head? After all Farage started it.

DdraigGoch · 01/12/2025 13:55

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:56

Migration fell overall (mainly due to restrictions on students being able to bring family over-which I believe was introduced by Tories). Asylum migration did not fall, it made up 11% of all migration and is double what it was in 2019.

the migration picture as a whole is not positive. There are less people getting skilled worker visas and a higher share of refugees.

the economic impact of migration isn’t how many of migrating, but who is migrating.

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Remind me, under which party did net migration exceed 900k in a year? Was it the same one who once promised to get it under 100k/year?

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:53

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:42

Is that a serious question?

You think we should leave people destitute?

Do you want to see the return of workhouses?

What kind of society do you want to live in?

ETA to ask what you mean with "I am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating"

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Typo. Means testing. The state pension is likely to get so unaffordable in the near future that anyone who has any sort of means is unlikely to get one at all. I’m mid 40s and don’t expect to get a pension.

I want benefits cut to a level where people are forced to work, and preferable paid in food vouchers. No netflix, hair cuts, nails etc. just food, utilities and rent. If you want more you have to work. I want the money saved to provide much higher benefits to those who have worked in the past and are temporarily unable to do so.

Letsbe · 01/12/2025 13:53

When a lot of us were being paid for not working during the pandemic how did we think it was going to be paid for? When we left our major trading partners behind so we did have to follow those rules we knew it would cost us.

We have to do what Iceland did when the banking crash hit them work our way out of it. Change our way.

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:53

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 13:50

I voted Labour but I’ll never vote for them again. An utter shitshow.

Labour are doing well given the last five years of total chaos that was the Tory party in charge.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 13:51

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:49

And yet they have a panel of tax experts advising them on tax policy reform to make taxes fairer and more growth focussed that they chose to totally and utterly ignore. Well done Labour!

Higher taxes won’t help growth. Even Labour have uttered that. And yet £40bn and £26bn in extra taxes.

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 13:50

I voted Labour but I’ll never vote for them again. An utter shitshow.

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:50

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:37

Why alongside welfare? Why? Why should we always spend more on welfare? For what reason? Why can’t I get something back for the taxes I pay? I’ve never claimed a benefit in my life, and am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating. Why can’t I get better services in exchange?

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Everyone gets a state pension if they've paid into the system. That includes carers who get a pittance on Carer's Allowance - which stops upon receiving pension. Currently Carer's get about £4 per hour.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:49

And yet they have a panel of tax experts advising them on tax policy reform to make taxes fairer and more growth focussed that they chose to totally and utterly ignore. Well done Labour!

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:49

https://www.resolutionfoundation.org/comment/is-welfare-spending-out-of-control/

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:47

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:46

What industry leaders would they be?

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Hopefully not the ones they used for their version of DOGE

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:46

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 13:43

I agree. But that is what Reform as planning to do. Use industry leaders rather than careers spads.

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What industry leaders would they be?

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 13:43

randomchap · 01/12/2025 13:39

I've not missed your point, but you've missed mine. Labour gave him a seat in the house of Lords so that he could become a minister and bring his expertise to government. He's now got more powers than he did previously. I think that Labour deciding to use an expert should be recognised and applauded

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I agree. But that is what Reform as planning to do. Use industry leaders rather than careers spads.

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:42

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:37

Why alongside welfare? Why? Why should we always spend more on welfare? For what reason? Why can’t I get something back for the taxes I pay? I’ve never claimed a benefit in my life, and am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating. Why can’t I get better services in exchange?

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Is that a serious question?

You think we should leave people destitute?

Do you want to see the return of workhouses?

What kind of society do you want to live in?

ETA to ask what you mean with "I am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating"

randomchap · 01/12/2025 13:39

TempleOfLove · 01/12/2025 13:29

You've missed my point - timpson has been offering employment to ex offenders for decades, regardless of whose in government. He did it whilst the Tories were in power and he'll continue to do it. It's not a Labour initiative at all; they don't deserve any of the credit there.

I've not missed your point, but you've missed mine. Labour gave him a seat in the house of Lords so that he could become a minister and bring his expertise to government. He's now got more powers than he did previously. I think that Labour deciding to use an expert should be recognised and applauded

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:39

I have disagreements on certain policies but I'm happy to have voted Labour and helped out with the campaign. We have a brilliant Labour MP now.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:37

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 13:36

Yes and alongside welfare.

All that has been neglected for a long time and will take time and money.

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Why alongside welfare? Why? Why should we always spend more on welfare? For what reason? Why can’t I get something back for the taxes I pay? I’ve never claimed a benefit in my life, and am unlikely to get a state pension due to incoming meansyeating. Why can’t I get better services in exchange?