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Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:14

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

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EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:23

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:21

Feel free to gaslight on policies you purport to defend but are afraid to back up.

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You are chasing round people not even voting for them. Feel free to hound / follow someone else.

Or read up in your own time.

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:23

Nanalovesnature · 01/12/2025 14:21

34% of people getting UC have a job, 34% is a minority, 66% of people getting UC do not work, that is two thirds pretty much.

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Do you think that being a carer is a job?

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:22

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:14

What would you like him to do?

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Getting rid of the 62% tax rate when you hit £100k would show some understanding of the tax system. Why pay a higher rate of tax on every £1 at £100k than every £1 at £150k? Is that fair? And let people on £100k get childcare hours (as another thread shows, if someone in London on that wage (and most on that wage are in London) your in poverty if you have 2 kids in nursery and are on £100k). Give everyone child benefit. To pay for the three above tax measures, increase the higher and top rates of tax. These three things alone are a) fair, b) very easy to implement, c) tax neutral or tax raising, d) boost growth, e) reflect the way that those much admired countries such as Scandinavia treat their tax payers. Pay in and you get something back.

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:21

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:18

I didn’t bring them up you did. Feel free to look into it.

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Feel free to gaslight on policies you purport to defend but are afraid to back up.

Nanalovesnature · 01/12/2025 14:21

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:04

The majority of people on benefits have a job. And the majority of those that don't have a reason why they can't work, carers for example

My issue is the forced labour and paying in food vouchers you are suggesting and the general benefit bashing.

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34% of people getting UC have a job, 34% is a minority, 66% of people getting UC do not work, that is two thirds pretty much.

DdraigGoch · 01/12/2025 14:19

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:13

Starmer has done nothing about these things. Absolutely nothing. Young people see high house prices and high taxes on higher tax payers and low taxes on lower tax payers and think sod this, I’m off.

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He also didn't cause them and has been in government for all of five minutes.

Not removing taxes introduced by previous governments ≠ putting taxes on

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:18

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:15

BBC website. Front page. Lead article. You’re welcome!

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But that's not what Starmer said. You're welcome.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:18

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:16

The Reform Party and its solution. Stop gaslighting.

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I didn’t bring them up you did. Feel free to look into it.

DdraigGoch · 01/12/2025 14:17

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:35

Ive always been anti reform, but honestly starting my to think they deserve a chance. I’m actually so depressed by it all.

Just an illustration of what do expect from a Reform government.

Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going
placemats · 01/12/2025 14:16

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:14

Passionate about what?

I have no idea what you’re on about. It was a post on higher taxes not leading to growth. Even Labour have said you can’t tax your way to growth.

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The Reform Party and its solution. Stop gaslighting.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:15

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:14

Link to the quotes would be helpful because I'm certainly not taking your word for it.

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BBC website. Front page. Lead article. You’re welcome!

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:15

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:13

Starmer has done nothing about these things. Absolutely nothing. Young people see high house prices and high taxes on higher tax payers and low taxes on lower tax payers and think sod this, I’m off.

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Where are they off to?

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:14

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:07

If you're so passionate about it provide a link. Ai doesn't cut it.

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Passionate about what?

I have no idea what you’re on about. It was a post on higher taxes not leading to growth. Even Labour have said you can’t tax your way to growth.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:14

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:13

Starmer has done nothing about these things. Absolutely nothing. Young people see high house prices and high taxes on higher tax payers and low taxes on lower tax payers and think sod this, I’m off.

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What would you like him to do?

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:14

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:11

I’m sorry. To actually quote him he said the welfare system has ‘trapped people in poverty’ and kept people who are out of work in ‘a poverty of ambition’.

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Link to the quotes would be helpful because I'm certainly not taking your word for it.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:13

DdraigGoch · 01/12/2025 14:11

Starmer is implementing taxes on young professionals, is he?

The Personal Allowance taper has been in place for 15 years. The Tories have had plenty of time to sort out that 60% marginal rate. The High Income Child Benefit Charge was introduced under Osborne.

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Starmer has done nothing about these things. Absolutely nothing. Young people see high house prices and high taxes on higher tax payers and low taxes on lower tax payers and think sod this, I’m off.

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:12

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:10

Did I say they were generous?
But the bill has grown and grown and grown, but apparently we have more children in poverty? How much money do we need to throw at these problems before we think, maybe time to try something else.

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Like higher wages?

Raising the minimum wage hasn't gone down well either

Alltheunreadbooks · 01/12/2025 14:11

They've made mistakes bit they were left a shocking state of affairs by last 14 years of Tory self interest and hatred for the general population.

The media have been after this governance they won the election, it's laughable the lengths they go to , to discredit them

Oh, and anyone that thinks a bunch of grifting racists with no policies 'deserves a chance' can't really be taken seriously.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:11

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:09

That's not what Starmer said though.

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I’m sorry. To actually quote him he said the welfare system has ‘trapped people in poverty’ and kept people who are out of work in ‘a poverty of ambition’.

DdraigGoch · 01/12/2025 14:11

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:58

Is Keir Starmer’s policy actually putting taxes on the average young professional worker so high that they flee overseas? Is he doing that intentionally just to bring the numbers down? Odd policy.

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Starmer is implementing taxes on young professionals, is he?

The Personal Allowance taper has been in place for 15 years. The Tories have had plenty of time to sort out that 60% marginal rate. The High Income Child Benefit Charge was introduced under Osborne.

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:10

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:07

Yeah because benefits are so generous Hmm

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Did I say they were generous?
But the bill has grown and grown and grown, but apparently we have more children in poverty? How much money do we need to throw at these problems before we think, maybe time to try something else.

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:09

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:07

As even the saintly Keir Starmer said today, paying people endless benefits is preventing people getting back into work and ultimately failing them.

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That's not what Starmer said though.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:07

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:07

Yeah because benefits are so generous Hmm

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As even the saintly Keir Starmer said today, paying people endless benefits is preventing people getting back into work and ultimately failing them.

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:07

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:04

It was a post on higher taxes lowering growth for Labour. If you’re interested in Reform’s policies have a read.

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If you're so passionate about it provide a link. Ai doesn't cut it.

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:07

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:06

And thus far, has throwing endless money at people been a solution?

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Yeah because benefits are so generous Hmm

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