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Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:14

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

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EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:45

PandoraSocks · 01/12/2025 14:40

It is a mystery to me that those cheering on Reform claim not to actually support Reform.

I can't stand the Tories, but if they were in government and being beaten by a mile in the polls by Reform, I wouldn't be cheering Reform on. I'd be bloody worried. But I suppose some people are OK with the prospect of a racist government.

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Who is the first line aimed at? The polls are high for Reform, that’s the case whether Labour want to know or not.

It doesn’t mean you or pp know who is voting for them.

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:44

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:40

Centralised childcare (nursery and wrap around), universal free school meals, subsidised and revamped public transport, reform/scrap stamp duty to drag house prices down and improve mobility in the market.
Off the top of my head. Obviously not an exhaustive list.
Giving more and more free money to a growing number of people only inflates housing costs and keeps wages artificially low. It hasn't worked thus far, it's not about to start.
Please don't confuse me with the forced work poster. I'm not pro poverty, I just think we need some fresh ideas because we are snowballing.

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I agree with those ideas.

They cost money but increasing income tax seems a taboo for all parties.

And I wish Labour had been brave enough to increase it 1/2%. The budget fallout would have been the same

I know you are not the forced labour poster.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:44

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:40

Centralised childcare (nursery and wrap around), universal free school meals, subsidised and revamped public transport, reform/scrap stamp duty to drag house prices down and improve mobility in the market.
Off the top of my head. Obviously not an exhaustive list.
Giving more and more free money to a growing number of people only inflates housing costs and keeps wages artificially low. It hasn't worked thus far, it's not about to start.
Please don't confuse me with the forced work poster. I'm not pro poverty, I just think we need some fresh ideas because we are snowballing.

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Agree with all of the above.

As I said, I’m a Labour voter. Have been for at least the last 10 years. The country is sinking fast and they don’t seem to be doing anything about it. If they don’t do anything soon we’re going to get Reform or Greens, both of which prospects are equally horrifying.

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 14:43

placemats · 01/12/2025 13:53

Labour are doing well given the last five years of total chaos that was the Tory party in charge.

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They really are not. They are a bunch of lying disingenuous traitors. Never again.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:43

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:40

Centralised childcare (nursery and wrap around), universal free school meals, subsidised and revamped public transport, reform/scrap stamp duty to drag house prices down and improve mobility in the market.
Off the top of my head. Obviously not an exhaustive list.
Giving more and more free money to a growing number of people only inflates housing costs and keeps wages artificially low. It hasn't worked thus far, it's not about to start.
Please don't confuse me with the forced work poster. I'm not pro poverty, I just think we need some fresh ideas because we are snowballing.

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Scrapping stamp duty has inflated the housing market every time it’s been done on a temporary basis. It’s not a solution to anything. Those bright ideas would cost a fortune and tax rates would be as high as they were in the 1970s to pay for them.

ScholesPanda · 01/12/2025 14:42

Yes. Progress is slow but I expected that. Net migration is down, NHS waiting lists are starting to fall. Defence expenditure is rising in the face of new threats and decreased US support.

I think people underestimate how much the budget had to please the bond markets to avoid a Truss-style panic. And how little those markets trust promises by any party to cut spending.

It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. One thing I do disagree with is people saying 'blame Keir if Farage is elected.' If you choose to vote for Farage then do so, that's your right, but don't act like a toddler and say that someone else made you do it FFS. Did Keir make you put your hand in the fire too?

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:40

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:33

If that is more of the same, then what are you suggesting?

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Centralised childcare (nursery and wrap around), universal free school meals, subsidised and revamped public transport, reform/scrap stamp duty to drag house prices down and improve mobility in the market.
Off the top of my head. Obviously not an exhaustive list.
Giving more and more free money to a growing number of people only inflates housing costs and keeps wages artificially low. It hasn't worked thus far, it's not about to start.
Please don't confuse me with the forced work poster. I'm not pro poverty, I just think we need some fresh ideas because we are snowballing.

PandoraSocks · 01/12/2025 14:40

It is a mystery to me that those cheering on Reform claim not to actually support Reform.

I can't stand the Tories, but if they were in government and being beaten by a mile in the polls by Reform, I wouldn't be cheering Reform on. I'd be bloody worried. But I suppose some people are OK with the prospect of a racist government.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:39

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:35

Why are people poor on the minimum wage? Housing and childcare. We have some of the highest housing costs on the planet, and we have the highest childcare cost on the planet.

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Childcare is a temporary cost paid by a relatively small percentage of people at any one time. Even a single person on minimum wage is eligible for a small amount of benefits. That simply shouldn’t be the case. No employer should get away with wages that aren’t enough to live on.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:38

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:35

So you subscribe to the “everyone except me should pay more tax” schtick? How would raising those tax levels help?

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Because those currently on £110k who salary sacrifice down to £99k would actually pay tax on the full £110k if they weren’t taking the absolute piss with the tax rates. 62% tax rate, add in student loans that’s 71%. Which no one wants to pay so they go part time or salary sacrifice into pensions, neither of which helps growth

MarvellousMonsters · 01/12/2025 14:37

I’m not ecstatic with some of the things they’ve done but I know they inherited a black hole of debt from the Tories, and whilst it may look like a shit show it actually would be worse if the Tories were still in power and even worse if Reform gets in.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:35

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:30

No, it’s not. 100% of people on benefits shouldn’t have a job. It’s an absolute scandal that we’re subsidising employers who don’t pay their workers enough to live on. Nobody who’s working should be so poor they need to claim benefits.

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Why are people poor on the minimum wage? Housing and childcare. We have some of the highest housing costs on the planet, and we have the highest childcare cost on the planet.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:35

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:33

im confused. Raising the higher and top rates of tax, as I said.

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So you subscribe to the “everyone except me should pay more tax” schtick? How would raising those tax levels help?

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:34

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:22

Getting rid of the 62% tax rate when you hit £100k would show some understanding of the tax system. Why pay a higher rate of tax on every £1 at £100k than every £1 at £150k? Is that fair? And let people on £100k get childcare hours (as another thread shows, if someone in London on that wage (and most on that wage are in London) your in poverty if you have 2 kids in nursery and are on £100k). Give everyone child benefit. To pay for the three above tax measures, increase the higher and top rates of tax. These three things alone are a) fair, b) very easy to implement, c) tax neutral or tax raising, d) boost growth, e) reflect the way that those much admired countries such as Scandinavia treat their tax payers. Pay in and you get something back.

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How is the government going to pay for that?

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:33

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:31

Where’s the money coming from?

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im confused. Raising the higher and top rates of tax, as I said.

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:33

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:28

Well yeah, that needs to happen but it's not a new idea either. It's more of the same.

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If that is more of the same, then what are you suggesting?

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:32

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:30

Well it seems to me that you don't approve of Reform and its policies so that's my conclusion. Thanks for the discussion.

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Great not to be repeated I’m sure.

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:32

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:28

Well yeah, that needs to happen but it's not a new idea either. It's more of the same.

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The issue with the minimum wage is that we used to have a below oecd minimum wage and we rightly improved that, but now it’s way off the top of the oecd average and businesses are struggling to meet it. Hence entry level jobs being cut.

We need to address the costs of living in this country instead. What is being done to build houses here? Social housing etc? We need to bring down the cost of housing desperately.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:31

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:22

Getting rid of the 62% tax rate when you hit £100k would show some understanding of the tax system. Why pay a higher rate of tax on every £1 at £100k than every £1 at £150k? Is that fair? And let people on £100k get childcare hours (as another thread shows, if someone in London on that wage (and most on that wage are in London) your in poverty if you have 2 kids in nursery and are on £100k). Give everyone child benefit. To pay for the three above tax measures, increase the higher and top rates of tax. These three things alone are a) fair, b) very easy to implement, c) tax neutral or tax raising, d) boost growth, e) reflect the way that those much admired countries such as Scandinavia treat their tax payers. Pay in and you get something back.

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Where’s the money coming from?

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:30

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:28

True it’s pointless, you are welcome to get what you’re after from others.

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Well it seems to me that you don't approve of Reform and its policies so that's my conclusion. Thanks for the discussion.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 14:30

Nanalovesnature · 01/12/2025 14:21

34% of people getting UC have a job, 34% is a minority, 66% of people getting UC do not work, that is two thirds pretty much.

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No, it’s not. 100% of people on benefits shouldn’t have a job. It’s an absolute scandal that we’re subsidising employers who don’t pay their workers enough to live on. Nobody who’s working should be so poor they need to claim benefits.

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 14:28

TopPocketFind · 01/12/2025 14:12

Like higher wages?

Raising the minimum wage hasn't gone down well either

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Well yeah, that needs to happen but it's not a new idea either. It's more of the same.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:28

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:25

Hound? It's an open discussion that you are engaging with me on. Why shouldn't I reply?

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True it’s pointless, you are welcome to get what you’re after from others.

placemats · 01/12/2025 14:25

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 14:23

You are chasing round people not even voting for them. Feel free to hound / follow someone else.

Or read up in your own time.

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Hound? It's an open discussion that you are engaging with me on. Why shouldn't I reply?

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:24

DdraigGoch · 01/12/2025 14:19

He also didn't cause them and has been in government for all of five minutes.

Not removing taxes introduced by previous governments ≠ putting taxes on

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But these are not hard things to do. And would show he recognises the issues, recognises the damage the policies are doing. He looks totally clueless.