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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 2025-12-01T08:14:16+00:00

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy. i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

placemats · 01/12/2025 17:45

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 17:12

I don’t know who will be around in 4 years time. Definitely not con/lab/reform though so my options are somewhat limited.

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Well Labour, Conservative, Lib Dem, SNP, Plaid, Green, DUP, SDLP, Independent will be around then. Perhaps not Reform, that could possibly change.

BurntBroccoli · 01/12/2025 17:39

Ohpleasegoawaynow · 01/12/2025 15:19

Whatever they do they have to get on top of the benefits bill, it i completely unsustainable no matter how unpopular that feels to people. At the moment they seem keen to increase the amount being paid out and no real idea of how to tackle it as the backbenchers kick off so they backtrack.

Removal of waste from public services including NHS, civil service etc is a way to also save billions and be able to invest in better front line services. Again, too difficult so just keep on pumping money in or set up new quangos to review and actually achieve nothing.

So you’d remove the triple lock which forms the majority of the benefits bill?

Total benefits bill £313 billion

Pensions & pensioner-related support (state pension, pension credit, pensioner housing benefit, WFA
£150.7 billion - 48%

Working Age benefits (including Working People on low wages)
£117.6 billion

Health/Disabilty (including 1/5th on Pensioners)
£41.4 billion

Child/Family benefits
£13.3 billion

Other welfare related inc Northern Ireland social security -
£19.9 billion

Southernecho · 01/12/2025 17:34

NameChanger20252 · 01/12/2025 17:21

People keep trotting out this line (both Labour supporters and Labour themselves) Yes, the Tories left things in a mess, I won’t lie about that. However, the Labour Party have just made things worse and refused to take any responsibility.

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People keep trotting this line out that everything is worse, but the reality is, its not at all.
Growth is higher, interest rates a lot lower, inward investment up substantially, due to US tech, finally we've a handle on legal migration, down from 1.2m under Sunak to 200k

Even the oft trotted out "unemployment is up" yes it is, partly due to AI (and NI changes i agree) but unemployment is inline with historic trends.

But number in work has also increased by over 400k in the last 12months too.

Both gilt yields and inflation are going down too.

My DD works in the NHS, anecdotally, her neuro therapy waiting lists have gone from 22 weeks to 2 weeks, because they were given more money and employed more staff.

So whilst Labour have fucked up big time, its not on the scale of the last lot.

HelloDandy · 01/12/2025 17:27

I voted for Labour. I don't know how I feel about the party. They inherited a shitshow and it's going to take an age to fix it. Honestly don't know who I would vote for if there was to be an election anytime soon. Absolutely not Conservative. No to Lib Dems. No to Reform. I've thought about the Greens but I still can't make my mind up about them.

Mischance · 01/12/2025 17:22

ScholesPanda · 01/12/2025 14:42

Yes. Progress is slow but I expected that. Net migration is down, NHS waiting lists are starting to fall. Defence expenditure is rising in the face of new threats and decreased US support.

I think people underestimate how much the budget had to please the bond markets to avoid a Truss-style panic. And how little those markets trust promises by any party to cut spending.

It's not perfect, but nothing ever is. One thing I do disagree with is people saying 'blame Keir if Farage is elected.' If you choose to vote for Farage then do so, that's your right, but don't act like a toddler and say that someone else made you do it FFS. Did Keir make you put your hand in the fire too?

This with knobs on.
Having a petulant immature electorate who do not grasp life's realities is one of democracy's main problems. We are locked in a cycle of hope and disappointment that is caused by false expectations.
Give these guys a chance. At least they are not Truss/Johnson.

NameChanger20252 · 01/12/2025 17:21

EINSEINSNULL · 01/12/2025 08:45

What did people expect, with the utter shitshow that was inherited by them?

People keep trotting out this line (both Labour supporters and Labour themselves) Yes, the Tories left things in a mess, I won’t lie about that. However, the Labour Party have just made things worse and refused to take any responsibility.

EasternStandard · 01/12/2025 17:19

BurntBroccoli · 01/12/2025 17:08

They have been whining for a General Election since July 2024!

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And the threads on the previous lot went on longer and some are still bringing them up in every post.

cityanalyst678 · 01/12/2025 17:18

EINSEINSNULL · 01/12/2025 08:45

What did people expect, with the utter shitshow that was inherited by them?

It was just starting to turn a corner. This lot are going to destroy every ounce of ambition and economic growth. We are doomed.

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 17:16

Southernecho · 01/12/2025 15:09

I think, overall, they are doing better than what we have had for the last 14 years - Austerity, Brexit, failed public services, the national debt doubled, roads a mess, Liz Truss, justice & prison systems collapsed - a woman raped today who gets her attacker arrested, can expect a court appearance in 2029....

Doesn't any of this bother you?

Of course Labour have made mistakes but not on the scale the Tories did.

Reform have no policies and would, should they win, have in Govt, almost no one who has ever been an MP, let alone been in the shadow front bench, it would be an utter disaster.

As has happened in the councils they ve won.... Kent council paid 1000s to have new school markings repainted, then found out the school had been closed for over 9 years, then lied and said it only cost £350....

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I have Gerald voted Labour throughout my life and have always worked in the public sector. Labour are objectively no better and have cause significant damage to public services over the years. Of course I am concerned about various issues but Labour will not fix anything and indeed look likely to do more damage. I will not vote con/reform either.

BurntBroccoli · 01/12/2025 17:15

caringcarer · 01/12/2025 09:58

Nonsense Reform is running Staffordshire council and making a good job of it. Pot holes are being filled in at last.

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This racist Reform Councillor?

Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

Southernecho · 01/12/2025 17:13

GlitteringBauble · 01/12/2025 16:33

They can have the kids, but they are responsible for having them, so they should be responsible for supporting them both financially and emotionally. Who are you to dictate that others should pay to support them! Mind your language please.

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What do you think should happen when parents do not look after their children properly or cannot look after them, for financial reasons?

Do you think everyone on benefits started out on them? perhaps they are on them because of sickness? divorce? or bereavement?

Do you think children not adequately cared for, end up costing us all far more because of poor education/health leading to more joblessness/crime as adults and more cost to the NHS or should we let them die?

Maybe we could resurrect the Poor House.

SunnyViper · 01/12/2025 17:12

placemats · 01/12/2025 15:16

Who will you vote for in 4 years time?

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I don’t know who will be around in 4 years time. Definitely not con/lab/reform though so my options are somewhat limited.

BurntBroccoli · 01/12/2025 17:08

Alpacajigsaw · 01/12/2025 09:51

I think they are fine. It’s not even been 18 months, I’m not sure wtf people expected after 18 months of trying to fix 14 years of Tory shitshow.

People are so impatient these days and expect everything done yesterday. There are people whining for general elections already. They need to grow up and get a grip!

They have been whining for a General Election since July 2024!

Southernecho · 01/12/2025 17:06

Dbank · 01/12/2025 16:37

To have promoted growth at every opportunity, then perhaps one day we can afford to improve the public sector, cut the debt and improve the country for all citizens.

Instead they killed the economy with negative talk and infantile taxes aimed at the successful, and then wondered why no one wants to invest in the U.K.

I thought the tories were bad, but this is a new level of clown car government, what a wasted opportunity.

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We ve had more growth in the last 16 months than we ever had in the 16months prior to the election in july 2024.

Sunak gave us a recession that lasted 6months at the back end of 2023.

We ve also had far more inward investment too.

Debt to GDP will fall over the course of the next 3 to 4 years.

People have v short memories and/or can't be bothered to look at simple facts.

BurntBroccoli · 01/12/2025 16:59

Sasssquatch · 01/12/2025 09:10

Are you though? Have you checked?

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Exactly - tax and employee NIC hasn’t changed.

NancyBellaDonna · 01/12/2025 16:57

GlitteringBauble · 01/12/2025 16:33

They can have the kids, but they are responsible for having them, so they should be responsible for supporting them both financially and emotionally. Who are you to dictate that others should pay to support them! Mind your language please.

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I don’t dictate what others should pay in tax. The power to decide what taxes we pay rests with Parliament. Any fool knows that.

And don’t dictate to me what I can say on Mumsnet. FFS!

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 16:55

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 15:45

That's not really an answer. It's like relative poverty all over again. Increasing them "until people can afford to come off them" is too wishy washy to mean anything.

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People would never come off them. That is want we learnt from COVID - give people a taste of the xbox life and they don't go back. Benefits need to drop to force people to go back to work.

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 16:51

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 16:42

Instead they killed the economy with negative talk and infantile taxes aimed at the successful, and then wondered why no one wants to invest in the U.K.

Really? J P Morgan disagrees with you.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9f57eb70-a1bf-4a60-9b57-cdb39c4acb7c

That article is literally about how J P morgan are throwing the government a few sweeties in exchange for no tax rises. Maybe the hospitality/farming industries etc just couldn't come up with enough sweeties.

PandoraSocks · 01/12/2025 16:43

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 16:39

Do you mean that the kids should be taken off the parents? I think that’s a bit harsh. The parents should be allowed to keep their kids, just have to provide for them themselves.

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No! God, no. I meant in terms of financial and other support.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 16:42

Instead they killed the economy with negative talk and infantile taxes aimed at the successful, and then wondered why no one wants to invest in the U.K.

Really? J P Morgan disagrees with you.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/9f57eb70-a1bf-4a60-9b57-cdb39c4acb7c

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 16:39

PandoraSocks · 01/12/2025 16:38

All children should have the emotional and financial support they need. If the parents can't provide that, wider society should step in.

I pay tax which is used to support the health and education etc. of other people's children. Very happy to do so.

Swearing is allowed on MN, btw.

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Do you mean that the kids should be taken off the parents? I think that’s a bit harsh. The parents should be allowed to keep their kids, just have to provide for them themselves.

PandoraSocks · 01/12/2025 16:38

GlitteringBauble · 01/12/2025 16:33

They can have the kids, but they are responsible for having them, so they should be responsible for supporting them both financially and emotionally. Who are you to dictate that others should pay to support them! Mind your language please.

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All children should have the emotional and financial support they need. If the parents can't provide that, wider society should step in.

I pay tax which is used to support the health and education etc. of other people's children. Very happy to do so.

Swearing is allowed on MN, btw.

Dbank · 01/12/2025 16:37

EINSEINSNULL · 01/12/2025 08:45

What did people expect, with the utter shitshow that was inherited by them?

To have promoted growth at every opportunity, then perhaps one day we can afford to improve the public sector, cut the debt and improve the country for all citizens.

Instead they killed the economy with negative talk and infantile taxes aimed at the successful, and then wondered why no one wants to invest in the U.K.

I thought the tories were bad, but this is a new level of clown car government, what a wasted opportunity.

GlitteringBauble · 01/12/2025 16:33

NancyBellaDonna · 01/12/2025 12:29

It takes a village to raise child.

You only get one childhood. If it is impaired by poverty and deprivation, many never recover. When so many lives are damaged in this way, the whole of society suffers.

And to those posters espousing that those women claiming benefits should not get pregnant (irrespective of the circumstances): Who the fuck are you to dictate who can and who can't have a child?

That way lies fascism.

They can have the kids, but they are responsible for having them, so they should be responsible for supporting them both financially and emotionally. Who are you to dictate that others should pay to support them! Mind your language please.

placemats · 01/12/2025 16:11

Rachelelizabeth76 · 01/12/2025 15:52

I voted Labour and while I still think they're way too central, the budget was better than it could be. I'll probably vote Green next time. Anyone who genuinely thinks that Farage would be a good choice worries me. I do think, to a degree, as soon as any party gains power they're forced to develop a degree of pragmatism that might well go against their values in order to survive, if that makes sense. E.g. pandering to Trump to protect trade deals, even though he represents everything that's fundamentally anti-Labour.

I would only vote Green, Lib Dem and deep intake of breath, Tory, if it meant that Reform didn't get in.

So in my constituency, I shall be campaigning again for Labour. Fully understand that other constituencies may be different.