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Is there anyone on here who voted Labour who is genuinely happy with how things are going

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Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:14

I didn’t vote Labour, but was actually quite excited. We needed change, now I dint think that at all and although Tories weren’t great in many respects, this shit show feels worse! I’m so tired of our politicians just not doing what is best for the country and having to curtail to babk benchers/unions, lining their own pockets and wardrobes and generally just being untrustworthy.
i have no doubt Farage will get in next time, and it will be Keir’s fault.

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cucumberpeach · 02/12/2025 08:31

I voted Labour with very low expectations and yet they have managed to disappoint.

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:19

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 08:17

I'm happy to go with the Labour Parties own review on this one.

Go look it up and post the evidence

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:18

the report you posted re Starmer was about suspension not expulsion. You claimed Corbyn was expelled for antisemitism, which he was not. There is a difference btw suspension and expulsion. And in any event, Corbyn wasn’t suspended for antisemitism but for comments he made about a report into it which have since been proved to be true. It says that in the article you posted!
Any comments on Starmers treatment of Diane Abbott?

Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 08:17

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 07:52

Is he? What evidence do you have? He may well, quite rightly, criticise the actions of the Israeli state but that is not antisemitism.

I'm happy to go with the Labour Parties own review on this one.

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 02/12/2025 08:11

ZenZazie · 01/12/2025 21:54

I think it’s ok and they are just about managing to keep the country moving forward without the wheels coming off totally. And given how fragile the country was after austerity, Brexit and Covid that is no small feat in itself.

The other things is that I am starting to be hopeful about the longer term. I see relatively small but joined up and thought through changes gradually happening rather than quick fixes that promise miracles which never materialise.

And honestly I think that is what we have needed for a long time. Gradual cumulative change amidst some relative stability. Realism about making things a bit better step by step rather being promised sunlit uplands that are just a ruse yo get people to act against their own best interests.

So I am starting to be curiously optimistic about how things will be in two or three years time.

genuine question, what are these changes as I’m not seeing them, and I feel I need some hope!

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Bumblebee72 · 02/12/2025 08:09

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 22:23

You’ve already been told, it was because he lost two elections.

I'm sticking with Starmer's reporting of the events.

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 08:06

Notmyreality · 02/12/2025 07:40

This

So what is the solution. Ideally people would not have children they can’t afford but they do.
Should we have forced sterilisation or abortion or should we help feed the children and support the family out of poverty. I think more needs to be done to stop reliance on benefits but that we should not let children starve.

Whistonia · 02/12/2025 07:52

Kleeneze · 02/12/2025 05:17

I mean he’s antisemetic too but that’s just one of a number of the guy’s failings.

Is he? What evidence do you have? He may well, quite rightly, criticise the actions of the Israeli state but that is not antisemitism.

Notmyreality · 02/12/2025 07:40

ChocolatesAndRainbows · 01/12/2025 11:17

Don’t have child you can’t afford. My friend wants to live a certain lifestyle. Having one happy child she can afford enables that. It’s not rocket science. My tax money isn’t here to provide for kids ppl don’t need.

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KilliMonjaro · 02/12/2025 07:38

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:35

Ive always been anti reform, but honestly starting my to think they deserve a chance. I’m actually so depressed by it all.

🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Strumpetpumpet · 02/12/2025 07:37

I voted Labour. Really disappointed by some aspects (immigration rhetoric, lowering of NI threshold for employers) but fairly happy with the budget and other aspects. Given what they inherited I don’t think they’re doing too badly, the problem is the media scrutiny is 1000x worse than the previous government were subjected to and this feeds a narrative that they’re incompetent. I’m genuinely terrified by the prospect of a reform government- yes I do think hey are a racist organisation- so for me the current government are far far better than the alternative

Southernecho · 02/12/2025 07:36

LongJoanneSilber · 02/12/2025 07:21

Labour have increased taxes though - by stealth by freezing tax bands for additional years, something RR said at the last budget that she wouldn't do as it would 'hurt working people'.

RR also justified her tax hikes on an alleged £20 billion black hole, which the OBR told her didn't exist back in September, but she kept that information from the public, to justify emptying our pockets last week.

I think RR should go, as well as KS, Labour need a fresh start, these two are very unpopular.

But they only affect people from 2029, the TH s were frozen prior to the GE, so atm no tax rises & i note the Cons or Reform have refused to say if they would unfreeze them.

The black hole thing is odd, the OBR have got a terrible record on forecasting but even they say that Reeves extra tax rises have a 41% chance of failing to be enough.
Just months earlier, they were predicting a 21bn black hole, they've also had to downgrade the last 15 years of growth & got this years forecast wrong by 50%.

So whilst she has not been open, she was also right to increase taxes, given the OBRs track record.

Resigning? no, we need stability, the public can issue their own P45 in 2029 if they wish.

LongJoanneSilber · 02/12/2025 07:21

Labour have increased taxes though - by stealth by freezing tax bands for additional years, something RR said at the last budget that she wouldn't do as it would 'hurt working people'.

RR also justified her tax hikes on an alleged £20 billion black hole, which the OBR told her didn't exist back in September, but she kept that information from the public, to justify emptying our pockets last week.

I think RR should go, as well as KS, Labour need a fresh start, these two are very unpopular.

Southernecho · 02/12/2025 07:10

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 20:08

Hummmm, a promise to not put up tax, that sounds familiar! Labour voters really do have a cheek!

For people on PAYE, taxes haven't gone up, which was their GE promise.

Reform promised not to increase Council Tax, they then stuck it up by the maximum.

DdraigGoch · 02/12/2025 06:54

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 14:24

But these are not hard things to do. And would show he recognises the issues, recognises the damage the policies are doing. He looks totally clueless.

Maybe the Tories could have done something about them in the time they were in power. They had plenty of time.

DdraigGoch · 02/12/2025 06:33

Christmascarrotjumper · 01/12/2025 13:37

Because relative poverty, where living standards are generally high, isn't necessarily a good measure of deprivation. Pushing living standards ever upwards isn't sustainable.
Do we really British children are more deprived than they were 50 years ago?

Why shouldn't our expectations for the minimum standard of living change over time?

Would you say that someone with no running water was deprived? Because a few hundred years ago even a king wouldn't have had that. No central heating? 50 years ago nor did lots of people, but we shouldn't expect kids to shiver in their beds with ice building up on the inside of their windows today.

Kleeneze · 02/12/2025 05:17

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 22:23

You’ve already been told, it was because he lost two elections.

I mean he’s antisemetic too but that’s just one of a number of the guy’s failings.

GaIadriel · 02/12/2025 01:56

I actually think I'd rather have Boris back tbh..

bleakmidwintering · 02/12/2025 01:37

I’m good with it. I don’t catastrophise though and jump on headlines which everyone seems to do like bloody sheep now. Half the time it’s based on little to no information and is fuelled by media. I watched a bbc news person interview an Oxford provost yesterday. Politics was obviously his area of expertise. The amount of times she tried to get him to say Rachel Reeves misled the public and he just kept saying ‘this is not a news story, she hasn’t misled anyone, laid out the facts etc’. I was in the pub later and could hear a couple next to me saying ‘well she’s misled the public’. I don’t despair at the government. I actually despair at the general public.

Agrumpyknitter · 02/12/2025 00:21

Iwishicouldflyhigh · 01/12/2025 08:35

Ive always been anti reform, but honestly starting my to think they deserve a chance. I’m actually so depressed by it all.

Reform are a bunch of ex-Tories and not the brighter ones either. One of whom Nathan Gill a leader of Reform UK wales has been arrested for taking Russian bribes. Farage is a long time admirer of Putin.

The BBC news run by an ex GB editor is no longer impartial and pro-reform, even Ed Davey has talked about this.

The tories cost me an extra £300 per month on my mortgage under Truss someone who Farage thinks highly of.

We will have no NHS with Reform either, god knows how people will cope then.

my workers rights have got better under Labour, there’s more appointments available on the NHS. I got my consultant and dexa scan appointments quicker than expected. They need to tax wealth more not work - see Gary economics over on Instagram.

Look how badly the Reform run councils are doing to get an idea of how they’ll mess up the country.

We now have a tiny mortgage, lucky us and our combined income is over £300’000 per year and have private healthcare as part of our work package. We would survive a Reform government, would the rest of you?

patooties · 02/12/2025 00:14

Kleeneze · 01/12/2025 13:53

Typo. Means testing. The state pension is likely to get so unaffordable in the near future that anyone who has any sort of means is unlikely to get one at all. I’m mid 40s and don’t expect to get a pension.

I want benefits cut to a level where people are forced to work, and preferable paid in food vouchers. No netflix, hair cuts, nails etc. just food, utilities and rent. If you want more you have to work. I want the money saved to provide much higher benefits to those who have worked in the past and are temporarily unable to do so.

who will benefit from the free workers? Businesses? And then when they realise they can get free labour what do you think they’ll do?
terrible

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SumUp · 01/12/2025 22:50

ZenZazie · 01/12/2025 21:54

I think it’s ok and they are just about managing to keep the country moving forward without the wheels coming off totally. And given how fragile the country was after austerity, Brexit and Covid that is no small feat in itself.

The other things is that I am starting to be hopeful about the longer term. I see relatively small but joined up and thought through changes gradually happening rather than quick fixes that promise miracles which never materialise.

And honestly I think that is what we have needed for a long time. Gradual cumulative change amidst some relative stability. Realism about making things a bit better step by step rather being promised sunlit uplands that are just a ruse yo get people to act against their own best interests.

So I am starting to be curiously optimistic about how things will be in two or three years time.

I wish I shared your optimism! I hope you are right.

BIossomtoes · 01/12/2025 22:23

Bumblebee72 · 01/12/2025 22:08

What reason do you put it down to then? Starmer said it was because of anti semitism. Are you saying Starmer mislead us?

Sir Keir Starmer defends Jeremy Corbyn's suspension from Labour - BBC News

You’ve already been told, it was because he lost two elections.

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