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To think women should think more carefully about giving children father's last name?

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Mrsnothingthanks · 23/11/2025 21:37

This.
In light of the case recently where a (male) judge said a child whose father was found to be a rapist still had to keep his last name until she was 18 (or father consented to name change).
I married young first time around and was incredibly naive - one of my biggest regrets is giving my sons ex-husband's last name alone.
I am now remarried and Ms HisName-My Name, my husband is Mr HisName-MyName, and our daughter is Miss HisName-MyName.
So much happier with this 😀

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FjordCortina · 24/11/2025 09:29

BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 09:07

You know to some people, their lineage is important.

To men, you mean, but never to women?
Why should a man's attachment to his lineage trump a woman's?
The only reason I suggested choosing a new name is because I know that some people do have an issue with their birth name (absent/ deadbeat father, abusive mother, ridiculous or unpronounceable name).....

Illbethereinaminute · 24/11/2025 09:18

NamelessNancy · 23/11/2025 22:12

Brace yourself for a gazillion women to tell you that their husband's name was unfortunately just better (/easier to spell/easier to pronounce/some other bullshit) than theirs. Funny how it generally works that way.

ETA where not married and or different surnames anyway it's especially inexplicable to me to not give your kids your own name.

Edited

Well in my case it was easier than my maiden name so I was glad to be rid of it but I was always going to change my name when we got married. I'm not a massive traditionalist but it just seemed like a normal thing to do, all of my female friends have done the same.

I don't care what other people do, change your name, don't change it, double barrel it.

If I were in a relationship where I hadn't changed my name and had kids I would potentially double barrel theirs if the names worked together. If I was single and ended up pregnant then the child would take my name.

All four of us have the same surname, we are a family unit and I like that we are linked, especially me and the kids. In the event of a divorce or after 20 years my husband turns out to be a mass murderer then we might want to change our names but it never occured to me not to change it just incase it happened.

There are many things I wouldn't do that other people do but it's their life. I'm not going to sit and point the finger if something goes tits up and say they should have done it my way. Nobody can predict the future, all we can do is the right thing for us at the current time.

Simonjt · 24/11/2025 09:18

Outside9 · 24/11/2025 09:04

Yes, some of the Spanish make a good attempt at holding as many for a couple generations, but inevitably the names get dropped.

No they don’t, they take one name from each parent.

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 09:15

@BeCalmLilacLion Exactly. And yet another reason I didn't get rid of my family name.

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BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 09:07

FjordCortina · 24/11/2025 09:05

This is absolutely what I came here to say.
The first step is not taking your husband's name!
If you want to change your name ( for example to distance yourself from your own parents) then choose a name you like that goes with your given name......if your husband is so worried about the family having the same name then he can change his.

You know to some people, their lineage is important.

FjordCortina · 24/11/2025 09:05

Usernamenotfound1 · 23/11/2025 21:49

Only issue is the vast majority of women change their names on marriage. So in the circumstance you describe, mum as an adult can change her name back, but the child can’t until they are 18.

if you change your name to your husband’s you aren’t going to give your child a different name on the off chance dh turns out to be a shit and doesn’t want to be linked via that name any more.

so the first step is for women to be thinking more carefully about whether they change their own names. That first, before the question of the child’s name is even an issue.

This is absolutely what I came here to say.
The first step is not taking your husband's name!
If you want to change your name ( for example to distance yourself from your own parents) then choose a name you like that goes with your given name......if your husband is so worried about the family having the same name then he can change his.

Outside9 · 24/11/2025 09:04

Simonjt · 24/11/2025 06:01

Oh I agree, I mean look at how it failed in Spain…

Yes, some of the Spanish make a good attempt at holding as many for a couple generations, but inevitably the names get dropped.

BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 09:04

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 08:57

@BeCalmLilacLion But it's not the case now, as you have said yourself.

It might be the case that the woman has insisted on it for those reasons; it doesnt change the fact that we've had hundreds of years where it hasn't been the case so it still appears as if there was conflict.

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 09:03

Also, if one has a very embarrassing last name, why wait until marriage to change it?

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Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 09:02

@aWUBBAWUBBA Why didn't you db?

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Didshejustsaythatoutloud · 24/11/2025 08:59

Bohoboo · 23/11/2025 21:58

I've always wondered what happens to children whose parents double barrel their surnames when they are older and want to get married and or have kids. Will their kids surnames be triple or quadruple barrelled? And what about subsequent generations?

Yup, its going to get ridiculous 😂

aWUBBAWUBBA · 24/11/2025 08:59

My maiden name was one of the most common in the UK (top five, definitely). My husband’s name is one of the least common in the UK - fewer than 400 adults have it. For us, it was a choice between the anonymity of my name - which is useful at times - or the scarcity of his - which is also useful at times - and I liked his name better, so there we are. I hope my DDs would keep our name because it is so unusual (and actually quite beautiful, I think), but it’s their right to choose.

I know lots of couples who have double barrelled on marriage (both man and woman), and I also know a man who changed his name to his wife’s because his surname was embarrassing and he said he was sick of it and was glad of a reason to switch!

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 08:57

@BeCalmLilacLion But it's not the case now, as you have said yourself.

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BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 08:51

eeemes · 24/11/2025 08:42

Or, you know, that the woman is a feminist who doesn’t believe in patriarchal power dynamics.

That’s not something that would occur to you?

Like the OP, as well as us both double-barrelling, I’m also a Ms and would never be a Mrs; well not whilst all men, married or not, are referred to as Mr. Ms does not allude to my marital status, just like a mans title doesn’t his. Equality, innit?!

That might be the case now, but it wasnt why women didn't use the father's surname in the past. It wasnt feminism, it was denial by the father and it left women in precarious situations.

Borka · 24/11/2025 08:50

TheSmallAssassin · 23/11/2025 22:21

Spain has this problem sorted already. Everyone has two surnames, one from their mother's side, one from their father's. The offspring get two surnames too, the paternal one from both parents.

The Spanish system doesn't really solve the problem - only the paternal part of each double barreled name is carried on by the subsequent generation.

eeemes · 24/11/2025 08:42

BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 08:20

I have his name. That shows that they attended the registry together in harmony. Having a child in their mother's name shows that either she wouldnt allow the dad there, or he wouldnt come and admit paternity. Women in the past desperately wanted their children to be acknowledged by the father and his family. The father would not through shame.

Or, you know, that the woman is a feminist who doesn’t believe in patriarchal power dynamics.

That’s not something that would occur to you?

Like the OP, as well as us both double-barrelling, I’m also a Ms and would never be a Mrs; well not whilst all men, married or not, are referred to as Mr. Ms does not allude to my marital status, just like a mans title doesn’t his. Equality, innit?!

Christmascarrotjumper · 24/11/2025 08:21

OP it's interesting that you double barreled to get around this. But your DD won't be able to do the same will she? Or she'd(or your GC) end up triple or quadruple barreled.

BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 08:21

FeedingPidgeons · 24/11/2025 08:16

My kids have my name, which I am never going to change for anyone. The end.

And before anyone starts, I was with their dad for 10 years before the first one was born and we are still together now.

Tradition is that children take the mothers name, if she happens to have married and taken her husband's name then so be it.

That was tradition because the dad wouldnt show up and sign the papers! Not because the woman wanted it that way.

BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 08:20

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 08:17

@BeCalmLilacLion So your dad didn't have a "discord" with your mother? I'd be wrong to assume that? 😀

I have his name. That shows that they attended the registry together in harmony. Having a child in their mother's name shows that either she wouldnt allow the dad there, or he wouldnt come and admit paternity. Women in the past desperately wanted their children to be acknowledged by the father and his family. The father would not through shame.

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 08:17

@BeCalmLilacLion So your dad didn't have a "discord" with your mother? I'd be wrong to assume that? 😀

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FlyingApple · 24/11/2025 08:16

EligibleTern · 24/11/2025 08:02

But doesn't that make your DH's name your FIL's, not DH's? Or can men inherit actual ownership of names but not women?

Yeah I've thought that before but I'm more detached from my FIL so only really know it as my husband's last name.

FeedingPidgeons · 24/11/2025 08:16

My kids have my name, which I am never going to change for anyone. The end.

And before anyone starts, I was with their dad for 10 years before the first one was born and we are still together now.

Tradition is that children take the mothers name, if she happens to have married and taken her husband's name then so be it.

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 08:16

@BeCalmLilacLion You assume wrongly, of course. I'm very happily married. And a Ms 😀

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BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 08:16

Fwiw, my parents never married. I have my dad's surname. My mum would never have considered anything else... she didn't want to marry him (or anyone, she never has).

BeCalmLilacLion · 24/11/2025 08:15

Mrsnothingthanks · 24/11/2025 08:11

@BeCalmLilacLion So you bascially view all unmarried mothers as."red flag drama." Wow. Supports my argument all the more. I suppose you would look down on her / their children, too.

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No I assume that an unmarried mother with kids in her name had discord with their father around marriage or even the birth of the baby. I assume that he wouldnt show up to the registry, or she wouldnt let him due to some sort of argument they have. From experience, that argument is usually around marriage and that she wants it and he doesnt.

I especially think that about groups of people who literally suggest keeping the kids in the mum's name as a direct response to a refusal of marriage.

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