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To think this is a shocking waste of taxpayer’s money??

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Ticklyoctopus · 14/11/2025 13:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v12dwddmwo.amp

Not the boy having some form of placement or help of course, but 300k for a little over 4 months! I’m sure this will be ‘controversial’ but I think we need to seriously rethink how much can be spent on just 1 person, unless (for example) they need round the clock nursing care to stay alive and specialist medical equipment of course.

A tall brown building with the lettering "Liverpool Civil & Family Court"

Council pays 'astronomical' £289k for teen's 17-week placement - BBC News

Liverpool Family Court heard local authorities are "at the mercy" of the private sector.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v12dwddmwo.amp

OP posts:
IBorAlevels · 16/11/2025 09:07

helpfulperson · 16/11/2025 09:04

Because many of these young people can't sit on a bus with other children or because a bus would mean that the first children on the bus would potentially have a bus ride of over an hour to collect the others.

Many but not all.
I also think they need to cap what is paid to taxi drivers - they can't be allowed keep charging these amounts just because these kids have an SEN tag. Imagine if disabled cabs cost x5 as much just because they have space for a wheelchair?

helpfulperson · 16/11/2025 09:04

bottledboot · 16/11/2025 08:47

The councils pay ridiculous amounts to taxi firms just to take them to school, to the point where here a taxi driver is earning nearly double what a graduate is likely to earn.

I know a black cab driver who does this, he doesn’t really bother working evenings and weekends now as the school trip is so profitable. I live near a special school and it’s a line up of cabs dropping off, why not a school bus?

Because many of these young people can't sit on a bus with other children or because a bus would mean that the first children on the bus would potentially have a bus ride of over an hour to collect the others.

IBorAlevels · 16/11/2025 08:55

Ratafia · 16/11/2025 08:45

This is why it really annoys me that so much blame for the costs of providing for SEND needs is put on supposedly greedy parents without anyone looking at more sensible and cost-efficient ways of providing support. If we had more good state-maintained special schools, NHS therapeutic placement, council-owned children's homes etc, they could keep control of costs and they wouldn't reach these ridiculous figures. Likewise they blame parents for the costs of transport, yet if councils arranged school transport in-house, banding together for the purpose, they could save a fortune compared with what they are currently spending on private taxi companies.

That would be joined up thinking though. Too hard. They're all too busy profiteering. I'm in Kent and Reform are currently following the Tory trend of selling off large buildings to London Boroughs to home families on benefits. Again. Gentrifying London and profiteering from the poor hasn't stopped on Reform's watch.

IBorAlevels · 16/11/2025 08:50

bottledboot · 16/11/2025 08:47

The councils pay ridiculous amounts to taxi firms just to take them to school, to the point where here a taxi driver is earning nearly double what a graduate is likely to earn.

I know a black cab driver who does this, he doesn’t really bother working evenings and weekends now as the school trip is so profitable. I live near a special school and it’s a line up of cabs dropping off, why not a school bus?

Yes, the school near us is always packed with taxis outside waiting like vultures.

bottledboot · 16/11/2025 08:48

@Ratafia agree with you, no investment and all short term thinking

bottledboot · 16/11/2025 08:47

The councils pay ridiculous amounts to taxi firms just to take them to school, to the point where here a taxi driver is earning nearly double what a graduate is likely to earn.

I know a black cab driver who does this, he doesn’t really bother working evenings and weekends now as the school trip is so profitable. I live near a special school and it’s a line up of cabs dropping off, why not a school bus?

Ratafia · 16/11/2025 08:47

Also dislike when teenagers of.a certain age are referred to a children. He is 14 and not a child.

Of course 14 year olds are children. Ridiculous thing to say.

Ratafia · 16/11/2025 08:45

This is why it really annoys me that so much blame for the costs of providing for SEND needs is put on supposedly greedy parents without anyone looking at more sensible and cost-efficient ways of providing support. If we had more good state-maintained special schools, NHS therapeutic placement, council-owned children's homes etc, they could keep control of costs and they wouldn't reach these ridiculous figures. Likewise they blame parents for the costs of transport, yet if councils arranged school transport in-house, banding together for the purpose, they could save a fortune compared with what they are currently spending on private taxi companies.

bottledboot · 16/11/2025 08:44

It’s everything not just vulnerable dc, care for older adults, cost of stuff for schools and hospitals, and a big one is the lack of social housing so money goes to landlords instead.

IBorAlevels · 16/11/2025 08:44

The cost of anything to do with SEN is ridiculously high. The councils pay ridiculous amounts to taxi firms just to take them to school, to the point where here a taxi driver is earning nearly double what a graduate is likely to earn.
Schools for SEN are £150k a year per pupil IIRC from a previous paper. These are kids who the gov has ignored time and time again with high needs. If your kid isn't classified as high needs there is a huge gap and the gov have now penalised families who try to get their SEN kids educated through the private sector due to the inability of the State sector to accommodate them. No, it didn't start with Labour, but they've financially hit SEN families who have tried to keep their kids in education without changing the system behind it pushing families to use private schools.

At least they are getting refugee families out of those hotel chains the Tories set up, costing us billions and lining the pockets of some Tory Peer no doubt.

TomCatTumbler · 16/11/2025 08:33

This sort of thing (excessive spending) happens ALL the time in public sector OP. Waste everywhere. I cannot see it stopping though.

Trixibell1234 · 16/11/2025 08:31

It feels like a false economy to outsource to the private sector - what’s to stop them putting up the price to whatever they like? This is what worries me about privatising the NHS.

Mischance · 16/11/2025 08:29

Privatisation of care services was always going to be an uncontrollable money pit, but it fitted the political dogma of the time. Each for him/her self with no sense of community.

Ritasueandbobtoo9 · 16/11/2025 08:16

Years ago local councils had outdoor centres and care staff from the local children’s homes would take them. Apparently, this cost too much so the answer was to sell them off and farm out care to private, for profit companies. This costs everyone a lot more for the same care.

AubreysMonkey · 16/11/2025 08:02

Send him to Camp Green lake! (Those that have read 'Holes' by Louis Sachar will get this!)

Kirbert2 · 16/11/2025 01:59

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 16/11/2025 01:09

Disgraceful on the amount of money.
Lots of unregistered, unqualified people and companies seem to to got onto the private children's home, gravy train, bandwagon.

Especially since the profits for people owning Residential and Care Homes has reduced.

Remember the madness of the Blair Labour Government. Who used to pay for this type of offender to be taken a six month world trip.

Can this teenager not be put onto secure accomodation at a Young Offenders Institute to receive his daily care from.relevant visiting professionals?

Also dislike when teenagers of.a certain age are referred to a children. He is 14 and not a child.

He is lucky he did not live back in the day when Approved Schools and Borstals were par for the course.

The link doesn't mention his age.

A 14 year old is a child? Not a small child of course but a child, not an adult.

Allisnotlost1 · 16/11/2025 01:38

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 16/11/2025 01:09

Disgraceful on the amount of money.
Lots of unregistered, unqualified people and companies seem to to got onto the private children's home, gravy train, bandwagon.

Especially since the profits for people owning Residential and Care Homes has reduced.

Remember the madness of the Blair Labour Government. Who used to pay for this type of offender to be taken a six month world trip.

Can this teenager not be put onto secure accomodation at a Young Offenders Institute to receive his daily care from.relevant visiting professionals?

Also dislike when teenagers of.a certain age are referred to a children. He is 14 and not a child.

He is lucky he did not live back in the day when Approved Schools and Borstals were par for the course.

He’s legally a child, and he’s not convicted of a crime and therefore can’t be held in prison. Yes, he’s lucky not to live in the time of borstals and approved schools. You might have seen the report on the horrendous systematic abuse at one such place this week.

SemiRetiredLoveGoddeess · 16/11/2025 01:09

Disgraceful on the amount of money.
Lots of unregistered, unqualified people and companies seem to to got onto the private children's home, gravy train, bandwagon.

Especially since the profits for people owning Residential and Care Homes has reduced.

Remember the madness of the Blair Labour Government. Who used to pay for this type of offender to be taken a six month world trip.

Can this teenager not be put onto secure accomodation at a Young Offenders Institute to receive his daily care from.relevant visiting professionals?

Also dislike when teenagers of.a certain age are referred to a children. He is 14 and not a child.

He is lucky he did not live back in the day when Approved Schools and Borstals were par for the course.

Treeper22 · 16/11/2025 00:40

Exactly. People have voted for this over and over. People want low taxes, small state? Fine, but the sick, elderly and vulnerable don't vanish. They are still there. The only option then is to kill them off or leave them in utter dickensian penury. Which seems to be certain posters' goal.

But don't be surprised when the ultra capitalist people they've voted in take full advantage for themselves and their kind.

Ironically, we now have a sort of hybrid monster. People are paying tax, not only to the state but to private organisations that charge even more.

The politicians of the past decade and then some have played a blinder. And they're secure in the knowledge that the little people will blame one another.

ThistleTits · 16/11/2025 00:23

rasnnz · 14/11/2025 14:05

This is how taxpayers' money is going to get spent now. It is so far beyond unsustainable. Essentially private companies are going to charge ££££££ for such services and the council/govt are just going to cough up without much critical thought.

I've name changed to put this, but I know of a private school that has literally just closed due to VAT and subsequent pupil number decline. The people in charge have hatched a plan to get mega money instead of operating the private school. They are going to make it in to a sort of special school, which is private and they are going to be collecting between 50,000 to 100,000 per child per year from the council as the parents will not be charged.

This is just a new way for the government to hemorrhage money and for private individuals to benefit to the tune of millions. I absolutely don't deny that children with SEN are in dire need of help (my own ds has autism). But the help does not need to be into 6 figures for a few weeks for one child.

I'm sure it's not one size fits all. Many children have incredibly complex care needs.
Yes, it's very wrong to make massive profits on other people's "misery" so to speak. That's how capitalist societies work unfortunately.

ThistleTits · 16/11/2025 00:16

@Ticklyoctopus This is the outcome of privatised care systems. The "no such thing as society" brigade. It won't get better until it becomes "not for profit," again.

Treeper22 · 15/11/2025 22:59

Allisnotlost1 · 15/11/2025 22:57

So if you had cancer, or a stroke, and required surgery, rehabilitation, medication and maybe care at home, while being unable to work for an extended period or maybe ever again, you’d say ‘no thanks, don’t think my contributions will cover it’? If you thought a secure placement would keep your child out of OCG involvement and potentially death or prison, you’d say no? I find that incredible.

Exactly my thoughts, Allisnotlost1

Allisnotlost1 · 15/11/2025 22:57

DollyPinkDaydream · 14/11/2025 17:49

You do you, but unless it was a life and death scenario I don’t feel I’d ever be comfortable taking out considerably more than I had put in for me or my family. Especially for things like horse riding, art classes, trampolining and photography, all of which featured regularly in plans of young people I worked with who had spurious reports written by those providing the provision at great expense.

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So if you had cancer, or a stroke, and required surgery, rehabilitation, medication and maybe care at home, while being unable to work for an extended period or maybe ever again, you’d say ‘no thanks, don’t think my contributions will cover it’? If you thought a secure placement would keep your child out of OCG involvement and potentially death or prison, you’d say no? I find that incredible.

Ownedbykitties · 15/11/2025 22:44

@plumclafoutisi wouldn't be so sure about that.

Sunsetmom · 15/11/2025 21:44

Mischance · 14/11/2025 14:08

I used to be involved in finding rehab placements for people with brain injury. Whilst the rehab is undoubtedly expensive these providers have got the LAs and health authorities well and truly by the balls.
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Totally agree, these are usually private companies which charge what they like and the councils have no choice but to use them! The government needs to do more to cap placement costs for the private sector for children and adults!

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