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To think this is a shocking waste of taxpayer’s money??

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Ticklyoctopus · 14/11/2025 13:44

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v12dwddmwo.amp

Not the boy having some form of placement or help of course, but 300k for a little over 4 months! I’m sure this will be ‘controversial’ but I think we need to seriously rethink how much can be spent on just 1 person, unless (for example) they need round the clock nursing care to stay alive and specialist medical equipment of course.

A tall brown building with the lettering "Liverpool Civil & Family Court"

Council pays 'astronomical' £289k for teen's 17-week placement - BBC News

Liverpool Family Court heard local authorities are "at the mercy" of the private sector.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v12dwddmwo.amp

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Allisnotlost1 · 07/07/2026 19:15

Thechaseison71 · 07/07/2026 17:41

Maybe the parents should get the amount allocated to each child being home educated from the la to pay towards the costs then.

All the people who whinge about homeschooler and private education forget they are saving the state money

Good idea to provide resources for homeschoolers, I agree. They don’t need the full allocation though, since they are not paying for all the same costs as the per pupil
budget.

Thechaseison71 · 07/07/2026 17:41

Allisnotlost1 · 07/07/2026 16:52

Maybe we should encourage all parents to home school then, save the entire education budget?

Maybe the parents should get the amount allocated to each child being home educated from the la to pay towards the costs then.

All the people who whinge about homeschooler and private education forget they are saving the state money

Everlore · 07/07/2026 17:27

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:46

With respect you haven’t answered the question.

You have told me about each item/input of service (sounds mostly physical tbh) and the different names of therapies.

When they leave the “school” then what? That’s the end game. When does the taxpayer money saving kick in?

I find it chilling that your assessment of a child's worth is entirely based on their future earning potential.
I was born with severe physical disabilities, without eyes and with multiple joint deformities, and my parents had to fight tooth and nail for me to have access to suitable specialist education which could meet my needs. I excelled academically at school, got top grades at A-levels, a first class degree in a job I enjoy. None of that would have been possible if not for special educational provisions which doubtless cost considerably more than a similar level of education for my non-disabled peers.
I am sure miserable and small-minded people like you would have complained about 'tax-payer' money being spent on a hopeless case like me, who would surely never be a worthwhile member of society. It's almost as though writing off a child due to their disability is a pretty cruel and stupid thing to do, isn't it?
I do not think that a child's right to education, care and a reasonable standard of life in childhood should be dependent on their future earning potential. That is a terribly cold and transactional view of humanity.

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 07/07/2026 17:04

He will probably end up in prison after harming others, whatever they do.

Kirbert2 · 07/07/2026 16:59

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:46

With respect you haven’t answered the question.

You have told me about each item/input of service (sounds mostly physical tbh) and the different names of therapies.

When they leave the “school” then what? That’s the end game. When does the taxpayer money saving kick in?

pp has answered the question. You just have a narrow view of what education means.

Some children who aren't disabled aren't academic, should their parents be forced to home educate too? Plenty of children who aren't academic don't pass their English and Maths GCSE's but they are still allowed to be educated.

Allisnotlost1 · 07/07/2026 16:56

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 07/07/2026 16:37

Bring back Borstal training

And then factor in the subsequent economic and human cost of the fallout of the borstal system, run with no healthcare, safeguarding or mental health provision, no oversight or complaints processes or staff training.

Allisnotlost1 · 07/07/2026 16:52

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:35

Given the average tax payer pays less tax than they cost overall, it seems a lot cheaper than £250k per year, for the kid to be at home.

Ok so I couldn’t teach my DC A level physics.

Maybe we should encourage all parents to home school then, save the entire education budget?

plasticplate · 07/07/2026 16:51

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:43

I can imagine what it costs given some of the amounts mentioned in this thread. Bit it is not a good use of money.

If someone needs 3:1 care that is what it costs as a minimum. If specialist support is required 2:1 may cost £100.

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 07/07/2026 16:50

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:39

For what end game?

To survive, learn, be happy and have a good quality of life.

like everyone deserves.

you clearly don’t think that the lives of people with complex needs are “worth it”.

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:49

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:46

With respect you haven’t answered the question.

You have told me about each item/input of service (sounds mostly physical tbh) and the different names of therapies.

When they leave the “school” then what? That’s the end game. When does the taxpayer money saving kick in?

Writing with respect doesn’t mean you have respect. You don’t.

Yes, I have when I told you the right provision can be the difference between:
Needing 1:1 or 2:1 (or even 3:1 or 4:1) as an adult.
A residential placement being needed or a placement within the community.
An ordinary residential placement or a secure placement.
Someone needing prolonged hospital stays in the future or not.
24/7 care or only care for some of the time.
Contact with the justice system and not.
Being eligible for CHC funding or not.

They aren’t mostly physical. The fact you think that shows your lack of understanding.

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:46

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:42

I have answered your ‘to what end game’ question.

NHS appointments alone can’t meet needs of many with complex needs. Struggle to believe it all you want. All you are doing is highlighting your own ignorance.

They are part of the schooling part. Why do you think things like learning communication skills aren’t? As are things like literacy and numeracy.

And as point out earlier in the thread, the case in the OP wasn’t about an educational placement.

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With respect you haven’t answered the question.

You have told me about each item/input of service (sounds mostly physical tbh) and the different names of therapies.

When they leave the “school” then what? That’s the end game. When does the taxpayer money saving kick in?

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:43

plasticplate · 07/07/2026 16:40

Care alone can be £100 an hour.

I can imagine what it costs given some of the amounts mentioned in this thread. Bit it is not a good use of money.

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:42

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:38

I struggle to believe that NHS appointments for those items would cost more than £250k.

So what about the schooling part?

Sorry, I can’t get past the £250k. For what benefit I am still in the dark.

Looking at the votes of 83% YANBU for the original post, seem most agree.

I have answered your ‘to what end game’ question.

NHS appointments alone can’t meet needs of many with complex needs. Struggle to believe it all you want. All you are doing is highlighting your own ignorance.

They are part of the schooling part. Why do you think things like learning communication skills aren’t? As are things like literacy and numeracy.

And as point out earlier in the thread, the case in the OP wasn’t about an educational placement.

plasticplate · 07/07/2026 16:40

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:32

What needs cost £250k?
The taxpayer is being robbed!

Care alone can be £100 an hour.

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:39

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:35

There are various needs that cost that much to meet.

DS1’s provision costs more than £250k. He has a complex mix of physical, medical, developmental and psychological disabilities.

For what end game?

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:38

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:34

You don’t need to repeat. I have answered you. As I said and to expand, SALT, OT (including SIOT), physio (including things such as hydrotherapy, rebound therapy), ToD, QTVI, EP… input are all part of education. As is things like emotional regulation, interaction with others and the world, ADLs, PfA…

I struggle to believe that NHS appointments for those items would cost more than £250k.

So what about the schooling part?

Sorry, I can’t get past the £250k. For what benefit I am still in the dark.

Looking at the votes of 83% YANBU for the original post, seem most agree.

GoneWithTHeWindJammers · 07/07/2026 16:37

Bring back Borstal training

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:35

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:32

What needs cost £250k?
The taxpayer is being robbed!

There are various needs that cost that much to meet.

DS1’s provision costs more than £250k. He has a complex mix of physical, medical, developmental and psychological disabilities.

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:35

Allisnotlost1 · 07/07/2026 16:24

So your assumption is that parents are all able to teach, have suitable space and resources to do so? Of course they do not.

And then they will have to give up work, rely on benefits and contribute no tax. And you think that’s cheaper?

Given the average tax payer pays less tax than they cost overall, it seems a lot cheaper than £250k per year, for the kid to be at home.

Ok so I couldn’t teach my DC A level physics.

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:34

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:30

I repeat again, what is she being TAUGHT for £250k (minus full-board)?

You don’t need to repeat. I have answered you. As I said and to expand, SALT, OT (including SIOT), physio (including things such as hydrotherapy, rebound therapy), ToD, QTVI, EP… input are all part of education. As is things like emotional regulation, interaction with others and the world, ADLs, PfA…

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 07/07/2026 16:34

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:32

What needs cost £250k?
The taxpayer is being robbed!

Can you stop asking stupid questions and educate yourself on complex needs.

plenty of posters have already listed the huge amount of expertise that are required to support children and adults. Their needs are vast!

plasticplate · 07/07/2026 16:34

What the deleted poster means is that she expects parents to care for and educate their child with very complex needs, who may need to 2 or 3 to 1 professional support for 24 hours a day.

Kirbert2 · 07/07/2026 16:33

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:29

Well that’s where it’s all gone wrong…..

You think it would be cheaper to force parents out of their jobs and force them to home educate their severely disabled child with no respite?

No other parents are forced to home educate. It would be discrimination.

rainbowsandraspberrygin · 07/07/2026 16:33

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:30

I repeat again, what is she being TAUGHT for £250k (minus full-board)?

You know what gets taught in schools. Why do you keep asking this??

Jamesblonde2 · 07/07/2026 16:32

2x4greenbrick · 07/07/2026 16:25

The provision is to meet needs. If you object to spending money to meet those needs and don’t provide the provision required, those needs will be unmet.

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What needs cost £250k?
The taxpayer is being robbed!

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