To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

I think Lily and David have been and still are messed up in various ways. You can judge one or either, it doesn't matter, they won't be any different as a result of what we think. The point for me has to be is it good art? And yes, I think it is. Very catchy, especially P*y Palace. Maybe not one to play in front of the kids though...

There are obviously some exceptions, but the women who are in command who have chosen that life are not the ones who have to be protected. You have to be quite delusional to think that prostitution can ever be healthy for a woman.
You would think that this part wouldn't need to be explained but here we are.

I think that some people need money and some people need sex

Almost everyone needs money. No one needs sex.

🤣🤣🤣

Is that a joke?

I think someone must be pretty stupid to view reading comprehension as a life survival skill, yes.

Shut the front door - she’s a mother in her 40’s - she doesn’t actually sing the lyric ‘pussy palace’ does she??
Stone the crows what a cringe fest for the kids
I’m all for taking inspiration from real life but Amy Winehouse/Adele, Lily Allen is not…
Neither the voice nor the nuance or wit…
Them kids - mine would be mortified and humiliated !
Ewwww

I think a discussion about Lily Allen and her ex husband's Pussy Palace might be more than I can take on a Monday morning 😏

Ha. Stupid? No. Inexperienced? Depends what in

Well it is, isn’t it? You’re posting on a thread about it, it’s on radio 4. Pop culture.

Oh Dear God
just heard on radio 4 that they will shortly be discussing LA’s new ‘heart break’ album later this morning…how is that news??

People sound really stupid and inexperienced when they say this

Obviously onlyfans is the milder end of the sex industry, however I wouldn't be too sure that everybody who does it, does it exclusively of their own free will.

If my daughter had an onlyfans I wouldn't criticise, I wouldn't judge, certainly not from a moral standpoint. However I wouldn't be "happy" about it either, I would be concerned for her future mental health and self esteem. I think Bonnie Blue is being exploited and is setting herself up for a difficult time ahead, money isn't everything.

However, as you said earlier, everyone has different opinions, and it's getting off the point of the thread.

I didn’t say it’s healthy for women who haven’t chosen that life at all, that’s abuse. I said it happens and that I don’t believe it’s all exploitation. What about onlyfans? Is it only certain exceptions who aren’t forced into it? Where does the line get drawn? Is it only women who are having actual sex with men that are being exploited for the most part? What about Bonnie Blue, is she exploiting men or are they exploiting her? What about when she’s out at universities looking for barely legal guys? I know that’s not the norm, but it’s not always straightforward and I don’t think there’s a one reason fits all as to why people get into sex work. I’m not trying to say it’s wrong or right that people do it, but I’m just really on the side of making it safe and legal so that people are as protected as possible and are less vulnerable to being abused.

I am genuinely curious how people get through life with such poor reading comprehension skills and understanding of nuance as have been demonstrated on this thread.

People don't sell their organs, or their bodies, unless they are desperate. And when people are desperate they are taken advantage of and abused.

There are obviously some exceptions, but the women who are in command who have chosen that life are not the ones who have to be protected. You have to be quite delusional to think that prostitution can ever be healthy for a woman.

well you seem pretty convinced anout it and I’m pretty happy with my take on it so I guess thats that! We can just agree to disagree. Have a good night 😴

Always. 😆

In an ideal world or civilised society or by a simple view, but no.
You're either for it or against it.
It has been tried and tested, it didn't change anything, it's probably worse than ever, a human commodity that pays men well.

Is it me or are quite a few people on this site really quite odd and extreme?

Hi again. I can assure you that I am entirely genuine 👋I am not for prostitution, why on earth is it a contradiction that I agreed with a Bindel article?

I don’t know, they’re your organs 🤷‍♀️ and it’s your body. I don’t think prostitution is ideal for most people, but I do feel like if people stopped moralising about it and recognised that it actually happens and regulated it, sec workers would be lots less likely to get trafficked, hurt, abused or killed.

No I’m totally with you that no one should be trafficked or forced into it, and that also people who are vulnerable get into it, but I just don’t always think it’s that straightforward that that’s the only times that it happens. I just think that life is very complex and sometimes people (men included), find that it’s something they decide to do to get money. And the reasons they do that can be as simple as addiction, or more complex. Lily herself sold pictures of her feet to people who were clearly going to wank over them for her own reasons. Life is just so many shades of grey that prostitution isn’t just always about men taking advantage of women. But it’s totally fine to have different opinions about it! 😊

I do like their username though so it removes the sting for me .

Four? That's insane

It is the cause for 1000's of women being forced into human trafficking across the world, it is degrading for the workers, often dangerous, where they need security, another man, it is a business run by men for men.
One particular culture bring the girls in and move them to different cities every few months so they don't make close bonds, ask for help, a lot of the girls believe they're coming for cleaning jobs, they don't speak much English.
Why wouldn't you be against prostitution?