To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

That's actually the first time you've said that - so far all you've banged on about is that it was a cry for help and other drivel about only a damaged woman would do that. You don't seem to have any interest in the women she exploited.

I don't really see that much difference between her and Andrew Windsor both very wealthy and in positions of power, both think they can buy bodies.

Finally listened to the whole album. Wow. Go Lily!

Me too 😬

had a listen, I like some of her songs but it’s just sounded very basic Taylor esque and she is still singing in her false south London accent I thought she had lost this

Ok Lil 👍😆

That’s what great art does, opens you to a world of ideas ; )

@IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle The fact you've been through all my past posts on MN is quite intense 😑

Erm, I'm not? I think Lily Allen did a bad thing. I just view it slightly differently to the issue of male punters. I'm not saying it's ok 🙄

I find your attempts to minimise Allen"s use of prostitutes utterly bizarre. Why are you so invested in doing so?

Especially from someone who claims to support Julie Bindel's stance on prostitution.

You did backtrack. I asked "Does that apply to male punters or just Lily Allen?" [ie treat them with " compassion and understanding" about their use of prostitutes] and you replied "yes it does"

As for Do I really have to state that I think prostitution is always a Bad Thing? I would have thought that was obvious -

You appear to think there are nasty punters - presumably the Andrew Windsor type and "damaged, self - loathing, making a cry for help" punters.
It's a distinction not worth making.

@AngeloMysterioso I thought you might be exaggerating a bit, but just finished listening to it and bloody hell, she really didn't hold back! Fuck you DB indeed 🤣
That phone call at the end of the first song - the pain in her voice got me right in the feels. I wouldn't want to be their divorce lawyer.

Pretty much this

@IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle I do find your reactions to my posts bizarrely rigid and over the top. Things are complex, life is complex, people are complex - this is my point

I didn't backtrack though, I just said I wouldn't extend the same amount of understanding to male users of prostitutes. Do I really have to state that I think prostitution is always a Bad Thing? I would have thought that was obvious

You did change your tune. At one point you said you wouldn't expend such time and energy on demanding "compassion and understanding" for a male punter and then back tracked on that.

"messy lives" and "making mistakes". Oh dear, yes could happen to all of us really - "oops, I was a bit bored and I just ordered up a prostitute by mistake. Oh silly me"

I prefer to expend compassion and understanding on the women who are used by rich spoilt brats like Allen and Andrew Windsor.

I wasn't 'defending' LA specifically, I'm not particularly interested in her, I was arguing for more compassion and less judgment towards women in general for having messy lives and making mistakes. I have not 'changed my tune' once during this thread 🤔

Poor kids x

Makes me laugh how much of a hypocrite she is! She had SX with one of the Gallaghers
behind his wife’s back, I believe nicole Appleton, on a flight! And the. Paid the air steward to keep quiet!! Maybe she should make sure her hands are clean before pointin the finger! Trashy

Hideous

He went onto marry another socialite however he always seemed like a lovely guy

Their father has been under the radar for a long time, never given an interview. My guess is that this was a condition of the divorce settlement.

I feel sorry for the children involved. It seems they have had to cope with a lot of instability and upheaval in their lives.

A lot of people are talking about LA'S right to 'speak her truth' and I get that, but imagine being 13 years old and having to walk into school and face your peers knowing that they'll all have heard your Mum singing about finding your Step Dad's butt plugs, lube and condoms on a song called 'Pussy Palace'.

To add, I've read Lilys book and those kids have been put through hell by her and her antics, such as abandoning them for months to go off shagging anything that moves, and literally tearing the house apart in a rage about her ex having a new girlfriend and almost getting sectioned, while the kids were there. This is all written off by lily as just the way she is. Now she has put them in another damaging scenario. Sorry but she is a selfish person who is unable to put her kids first