To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

I have never watched traitors so no it isn’t me.

Fancy taking a shot at a stupid username which isn’t even meant to be ironic or meaningful. It’s just…a silly username. I’m not a writer like LA.

But your post makes me laugh because now you are not only shooting down LA but also targeting me. What’s the point?

Have you actually listened to the album?

And personally the lead singer of Wunderhorse has an amazing singing voice, I don't like the colloquial tone of LA.

I don't think it's any of these things it's about talent at the end of the day. I think it's hard to be innovative in music when you are older, I feel like it is the reserve of the young, I have late teens so can hear some great stuff being played like Wunderhorse, their song 'Teal' is more up my street as not a literal slog of a song like LA!

My God, you're right. By briefly taking part in a discussion about a singer about whom I have opinions, I had been neglecting my husband, my kids, my career and my social life. I wasted my life and so much time and energy and I could weep when I see such constructive, insightful, original posts like yours coming in two days later. A post that definitely isn't someone moaning about something they weren't forced to consume and not leaving it alone and getting on with their own life! And with a clever ironic username because no way are you bored!

(Are you the person who likes to tell us in Telly Addicts that players don't really get murdered on The Traitors? Thanks for your service there too!)

Fantastic post: absolutely spot on.

Suddenly there appears to be pics of DH and the kids, and LA is also softening her stance. I reckon hes had a word and reminded her that this bad press can really impact his career. That said, Stranger Things is ending soon plus his niche isn't exactly romantic comedies.

Ugh. What a horrible woman.

This is a thread about Lily Allen on a social media site. It will naturally attract posts from those who like her and those who don’t. Are you new to mumsnet?

Why waste your time on the internet moaning about a woman you hate? No one is forcing you to listen to her music. Why not just leave her alone and get on with your own life?

She is staunchly middle class and her living now and again on council estates was due to parental refusal to acquire a " proper", regular income yeilding job, as opposed to pursuing artistic careers in the knowledge that their connections would have them eventually coming up roses.
A luxury that working class parents with kids do not have....financially or socially.

Any argument otherwise pertaining to the privileged upbringing of Lily Allen is not intellectually honest.

@SwingTheMonkey Intrigued about this part. In what was does she not fit in to patriarchal stereotypes or whatever social media finds acceptable?

Easiest way I can think to explain this is -imagine LA was a man and then imagine whether she would have received the same level of hate / vitriol/ mockery/ negative reaction to her art, addictions, body shape and lifestyle choices.

“Bin bag of a man”. 🤣 I chuckled at this - but the wider landscape of this situation is obviously not funny.

One tiny silver lining: what with the tarting up of their brownstone, I read they’re set to do well when it sell. Tho, judging from the AD piece, the buyer will likely have to have deep pockets to rip all their decor out and start again because…well…let’s just say, it’s not to everyone’s taste.

One need not embrace a symphony in neutrals to have a stylish home: One can be colourful AND tasteful, rather than embracing a full-on zane-fest.

No - going from what I picked up on album & him
being ten years older etc.

Same. I’ve finally had a chance to listen to the album and it’s amazing. But she needs a huge amount of help - I feel very sad for her daughters knowing all of these details and I’m actually not sure that they should be with her rather than their Dad… not because of all the stuff in this album necessarily, but because I’m not sure that she can actually take care of herself. Her judgement is clearly not brilliant if she moved her kids across the Atlantic for this bin bag of a man and it’s imploded after only five years… I don't know, this feels like victim blaming and I’m literally just writing as a stream of consciousness after listening to the album, but whilst I feel terribly sorry for her, I feel more sorry for her daughters.

What a fucking mess.

bullied for being a woman and not fitting into patriarchal stereotypes or whatever social media finds acceptable

Intrigued about this part. In what was does she not fit in to patriarchal stereotypes or whatever social media finds acceptable?

Its an amazing album. Shes an artist. Best of all shes a woman bullied for being a woman and not fitting into patriarchal stereotypes or whatever social media finds acceptable and she did it anyway. Full respect to her.

Unless she actually comes out and says that, we won’t know.

I fear she thought that gave her a bit of security & power/agency.

True.

All I can say is: I’m glad I grew up in a stable family unit with decent parents. Lily Allen is so messed up and disclosing the private, intimate details she has in this album will likely contribute to her messing up her own children. Spectacularly poor judgment: it’s impossible, in the Internet age, to shield them from this stuff.

However, turning to the entirely separate question of artistic merit: I think the album’s good.

She did what now?

She’s not, that’s bollocks. Objectively speaking, LA is far better looking than DH.

Of course you don't have to be a raving beauty, although sadly it helps for women in the music and entertainment industry. I just think that she's shown her insecurity by having it in for women who are more beautiful and more talented, and as she's neither very beautiful nor very talented, that's a lot of insecurity and targets.

I'm aware a lot of people find her authentic. I find her mediocre, not very talented and not actually very authentic... all the stuff about acting more working class and "street" than she is and all the attacks on other women that suggest she isn't actually that self accepting. I could probably handle it if I liked the music or her droney boring voice but I don't. However, I realise a lot of people feel differently.

It neither here nor there in this scenario. LA may have lived very briefly on a council estate in early childhood but even she has never claimed to be working class.

But I kind of like this about her. She’s authentic. You don’t have to be a raving beauty. You can be yourself. Unapologetically. For me, I like that. We don’t all need to be Celine Dion or Christina Aguilera.