To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

No, nice try, he is as scummy as her. Abusing women's bodies because they can afford it. A pair of weirdo's.
Why was he out with her DD's daughters this week?? Strange.

You’ve misunderstood - the person I was replying to was saying abortion shouldn’t be used as contraception due to the risks of anaesthesia etc, so I was just saying that most abortions don’t involve anaesthesia.

Critical acclaim from respected professional music critics is not meaningless however.

I did a quick check and it has garnered 5 and 4 star reviews from the Telegraph, the Guardian and The Independent. Variety says it should be Album of the year. (The FT gave it 2 stars however).

She should be feeling g pretty good. Well done Lily! And no I don’t know her, am not even a fan. Just read a couple of reviews and gave it a listen with low expectation and found it compelling.

The biter bit. Entitlement meets Entitlement.if you've had a few relationships in which you feel your chosen man has treated you badly, it's time to look at yourself. Only you can change it.

I think she was quite badly affected by her childhood and it’s led her to poor mental
health and to make some poor choices because of that. Her now ex husband is one of those choices. She is talented I think. And I’ve always liked her style (I loved her wedding dress-the short one-was it Chanel or Dior-can’t remember but it was fabulous). I suspect she might not be an especially nice person. She comes across as arrogant but fragile beneath the surface which is hard work. My view is clouded by the fact that I don’t like her pal Miquita at all-she was incredibly rude to me in a pub in west London once and I’ve took agin her ever since. (I’m not sure either Lily or Miquita are lying awake at night worrying about my opinion of them, mind)

Why do you get to know that personal information? So you can judge her further?

Did she say she’d had operations? I thought the majority of abortions were early stage using medication.

I reckon it will be

She will always have fans, but in terms of success and this album, 100s of comments on YouTube are meaningless. The test will be over the next few months or two to see if her tour is a sell out.

and I am convinced that you are her cheating husband.

I'm convinced you are related to LA at this point. Her number 1 fan.
She is an awful person, her DC deserve better, they don't need school friends and their parents knowing about their mothers use of sex workers, her seedy relationships or her list of abortions.
She talks about the damage her parents caused yet she's continuing that circle of overexposure.

I really hope she does win awards. She deserves it.

Karma as she cheated on her 1st husband.

No - people also like the album because of good songwriting, catchy tunes, and the fact that they can relate to a lot of it. I was watching the visualisers to her new album on YouTube yesterday and there are 100s of comments that suggest the above. People do actually like her music and these songs. I wouldn’t be surprised if she wins awards.

This is what it reminds me of

It was quite easy actually, I listened to the album and thought about whether I liked the music on it or not.

It’s possible to actively dislike an artist for whatever reason and think that they have some good songs or have put out a good album, even if it’s not your personal taste. I can think of dozens of examples.

This album though, in my opinion, is getting the hype that it is because of the information it’s revealed about her marriage - the content is tabloid gold isn’t it? The press can run stories for months off of what’s come out of the album. A lot of people will probably relate to the lyrics about discovering an affair and the emotions it stirs up which is why I think it’s struck such a chord for some. Musically though, I just don’t think it’s incredible, and I think she’s released much better stuff in the past.

How is it possible to listen objectively if you actively dislike someone? You don’t have to like the album by the way. It’s great to hear all opinions. So much more interesting to hear people diss the album rather than LA herself.

She loves Pulp & The Streets re: song writing. Jarvis the master here.

I’ve gone back to listening to Lily’s older music.. like 22, Alfie, Smile. Such nostalgia for me as I listened to this in my teenage years in sixth form and in my bedroom at home while getting ready to go out clubbing 🤍

Her sound reminds me of other Indie music at the time that have this sort of monotone sound to it - it was very synonymous for the time. Almost its own genre.

I’ve given the album another couple of listens as I thought my opinion of LA might be clouding my opinion of the music so I tried to listen objectively.

But… I just don’t get it. It’s wishy washy, overly auto tuned and boring musically. I read somewhere it was written and recorded in 10 days, and honestly it sounds like it was. It feels half finished.

Are you ok?

Yes, of course.

Are you ok?

Listen to LA’s album. It might help you.

Well once again, you targeted me, so I responded. That's what's happening yet again now, in case you didn't notice. You also don't appear to have noticed that plenty of other people have also commented that they don't like Allen. That's because, as has been explained to you, it's a public online discussion about her, so you're going to hear from people who say the stuff you want to hear and also from people who don't. I think even Allen herself would understand and accept that, and not be so befuddled about "but I don't understand whhhyyyy" (she's slagged off enough people in her time for not liking their music or image) so I am sure you can too.

That is why her album is so great. It is innovative and fresh. And mature.

Also, we don’t really know that older people in music are less innovative in general because that industry is so ageist that we hardly ever get to hear work put out by older people. In the other arts like literature or the visual arts older (elderly even) artists produce incredible work.

I take your point but I find it a bit annoying as I would love to hear from people who listened to the album and hear what they think about it. Sadly the thread has become a castigation of Allen and I personally find it awful that a woman who was abused and damaged when young and who overcame the consequences of that through her talent is treated like that on a forum dominated by women.

And for those who hate her for the abortions I think the poor woman has been punished enough by giving birth to a stillborn.