To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

Yes, it is her, and anyone else willing to treat sex as a commodity, fault they exist. HTH

Her father is worth about £10 million from films, TV and music

Regarding the dog, she should indeed have made appropriate arrangements to have the dog re-homed with decent people who could look after it. She's rich enough after all to go to some trouble. And she should have refrained from getting another dog. But she announced she was getting another.

She made it clear that in an act of impulsive vengeance she took the dog back to rescue facility. She referred to it as a "cheapo" dog. "....because this f*ing dog had eaten the passports. And I just couldn't look at her. I was like "you've ruined my life"."

I think she has a personality disorder. I pity her children.

She always struck me as white trash but I could never work out if she was rich or poor.

I like this album — yes, it’s a massive F U to David Harbour. I am not going to dissect her character or morals, simply focusing on her music. I thought the song Ruminating is very Charli xcx. I like the upbeat “Beg for Me.” I thought it was clever how the song Tennis sings about a lady Madeline who I’m assuming relates to the person DH cheated on her with… and it then transitions to the song titled “Madeline.”

Raw, diaristic, modern and a reactive account of her marital breakdown… that’s how I’d describe it.

I’m loving Pus*y Palace, that’s a bop! And 4chan Stan. I’m not a massive fan of her music but all power to her.

she was putting on a performance as an "edgy" young woman.
Given she is now 40 that's going to be even less believable.

It was a terrible look, I can’t imagine seeing what she said willingly. Distasteful and embarrassing

Just to chime in here, from a purely physiological point of view, the more abortions you have, the weaker your cervix can become and the more likely you are then to suffer miscarriages thereafter and lose the children you DO want to give birth to.

She seems to be the psycho ex that people say is a red flag if you talk about her.

real life isn’t about judging complete strangers for their life choices.

Why they do things is interesting to consider, but only in a light, curious way. We don’t know them well enough to get deep

judging strangers does nothing apart from make some people feel good their own choices and judgements, and isn’t that interesting tbh.

It was openly known that she cheated on her former husband with sex workers

Yes it was openly known, because she wrote about it in her autobiography.

Not a time in her life she was proud of, but at least she owns her mistakes and doesn't try to sugarcoat or make excuses.

What would stun me is if she quietly disappeared from the public eye.

Lily Allen opening her gob with the sole intention of getting as much attention as possible, while sticking the boot into someone else? It’s what she’s done from day 1.

Everything she says is designed to be a headline.

And I am allowed to strongly disagree. The way in which she spoke about it wasn't acceptable and you wouldn't be saying this if it had been miscarriage, but because abortion is sometimes a choice, it's fine. There is a way to make light of a situation and that wasn't it, it was distasteful and offensive. I didn't say her experience wasn't true, I said the way she made fun of it publicly wasn't okay, the two are very different. And it has thoroughly confirmed her as a dickhead to me.

Yes this. FAFO

Well, neither is douching, withdrawal, 'tip play' and various other practices -- mostly because they are extremely unreliable.
Not so abortion.
And the morning after pill could also be seen as an abortifacient. If people are using methods like that and counting them as terminations, I can see that someone might lose track.

It's her own experience and she can talk about it how she wants. She wasn't laughing at the process in general, just what she personally went through. If you don't agree with it, that's fine - otherwise she could then equally accuse you of not being allowed to say it's terrible and traumatic because that wasn't true for her.

I don't like her or her music. Laughing about having numerous abortions was distasteful, whatever your view on abortion.

She cheated on her first husband with sex workers. This isn't a poor woman to feel pity for lol. She very much has caused significant pain and harm to partners. The situation with her most recent ex feels quite a lot like karma tbh. Not saying I'd wish that pain on anyone, but if she can dish it out she can take it. I would actually think less of her for trying to paint herself as a victim and expecting the public to conveniently forget everything she's done.

It's remarkable what behaviours some people will excuse because their favourite celeb is doing them.
I always think that on the Katy Price threads as well.

I think the album is great.
I'm a bit on the fence about Lily, but it sounds like she agreed to an open relationship for him and it went very badly.
I can sympathise with this, I (admittedly in my very early 20s, not mid-30s) agreed to a similar agreement because I desperately wanted to be with the charming, charismatic older man - who it turned out was a very damaged, mentally unwell, addict. I'd have bloody loved to have written an album and dragged him through the mud.

And I don't, but publicly laughing at abortions isn't okay. I know someone who had a miscarriage and wasn't upset by it, would it be okay for her to make light of miscarriage in the same style Allen did? No. Just because YOU found it unobtrusive, doesn't mean that it is acceptable to then joke about it like that, abortion is incredibly hard for many women.

Forgot about what she said about Grenfell! That was disgusting - she used the victims' deaths for attention, and managed to confuse a lot of people's understanding of what happened by lying about it. I don't know how her career survived that.