To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

"Only" 7 or 8 abortions. 2 kids too. 1 stillbirth and one miscarriage. She's 40!
So if all pregnancies had gone full-term, she'd have 11 or 12 children. Perhaps after a few she may have got her contraception sorted, her life too.

She snhagged Liam Gallagher on a plane when he was married

It’s not even a fact that she used abortion as birth control. She said I have no idea how many and then said “7/8 or something”

a 40 year old woman hasn’t been using abortion as birth control and yet only had 7 abortions . I suspect, as others said when she was in addiction her life was so chaotic that she forgot or was unaware of taking or using contraception. Very common obviously.

I like Lily Allen. She really isn't perfect but she doesn't pretend to be.

I shall have a listen.

Lilly? Is that you?

If later along the line, abortions are done under anaesthesia afaik and even if conscious sedation you are still being pumped through with chemicals to calm you.

Using abortion as a common method of birth control is just quite frankly mad. If nothing else think of the cost of an already skint NHS, I wonder what each procedure costs? Thousand? 2 Thousand per patient? Don't want hormones, fine, stick to condoms, then abortion is the safety net if condoms fail, not the 1st line of birth control.

I am totally pro-choice but I am also totally pro-be responsible for your own actions.

Well she got sober and sorted herself out before the age of 40 so I'd say that's not bad going for a person who has experienced the kind of trauma she has (a childhood of affluent neglect, sexually assaulted by a music exec, death of her son, stalker who broke into her house and wanted to murder her etc).

She’s absolutely hideous. I’ve not forgotten that poor puppy.

Everything that’s happened to her is deserved!

It’s free on YouTube and so far it’s awful

Who am I defending for using sex workers?

and out of the thousands of mumsnet threads I can’t say I’ve ever even read one about people’s husbands using sex workers. Not that you’d know whether I’d posted on them or not, mind.

I read her memoir.

she’s a very flawed person and not someone I’d like or get on with irl. But I find her honesty refreshing.

it’s not fair is one of my favourite songs. It’s encapsulates 21st century het dating better than anything else I’ve ever heard!

I'm sorry you have such difficulties understanding simple posts. Good luck.

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People actually pay good money to listen to her….’music’? Ok then. Your money to waste.

He didn't live in the same house as them, they were raised mainly by their mother(s) but yes, not the nicest of dads.

Years ago, probably in the 90s, I watched something on TV where her father, Keith, was 'helping' her brother, Alfie, with his homework.

It was awful to watch the aggression, bullying and belittling from Keith, and I remember thinking that kid is going to be scarred. Can't imagine Lily got an easier ride.

So says lots of antivaxxers who then get sick. Medical reason is there... well, for a reason. When you've studied medicine for goodness knows how many years then perhaps...

Seems like the age old 'marry in haste, repent at leisure' applies here. Both parties seem like they'd be challenging to live with.

She’s clearly a damaged individual, who has made some very questionable and morally bankrupt choices, and usually in the case of celebrity it’s wether you are ok with separating the art from the artist, but when the “art” is so biographical, that can’t really be done. That being said I imagine the album will get a lot of curiosity downloads.

You should be careful of your phrasing of insults. "white trash" is based in racist terminology.

And she went to Bedales school, which used to be the most expensive school in the country.

I’m pro choice - I think she should legally be allowed to have as many abortions as she wants/needs. I don’t have to think it’s great that she doesn’t take responsibility for her own sexual health, though. Bag it up, use a condom. Surely that’s got to be easier than all this carry on. We can still judge her being an irresponsible nob.

Funny how you lot never appear on threads to defend people's husband's when they get caught using sex workers.

Is a bit though. Why mention it if you're not trying to say that her alcoholism excuses what she did? What was the purpose of mentioning it?

Can't work out if what she said about that dog or Grenfell was more vile