To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

You think it’s healthy to share everything to everyone?

That’s very reductive.

Also anyone who says " I am pro-choice but"... isn't really pro-choice. Either you support abortions or not. Not just carefully considered abortions in the appropriate number while feeling terribly guilty.

I wish I hadn’t read this thread. I used to quite like her music, but I didn’t know anything about her….

I'd rather women use abortions as contraception- which I am uncertain she did anyway- than have unwanted children.
People who believe abortion is destroying early human life needn't have them. The rest of us can. I will save my vitriol for shit men who won't use condoms and leave contraception to women. Anyone who looks to Lily as a role model needs their head examined, anyway.

I have never had one, btw. I am a conservative S Asian married to the same man for nearly 30 years. But if I had been pregnant when I didn't want to be, I would certainly have one without all this guilt we are supposed to feel.

It’s all P.R to sell her album, isn’t it? These ‘revelations’ won’t damage him. It’s her kids who I feel sorry for. All these tawdry stories… I can’t imagine it would have been enjoyable at the school playground in the days after it emerged that mummy used sex workers.

Yes that was awful - using abortion as contraception was very poor role modelling and casually laughing about it was abhorrent

There’s such a thing as going privately.

What Lily chooses to do with her body is up to her.

The judgement anc shaming on this thread is shocking.

Why is everyone forgetting to mention that these abortions cost our nhs millions each year? I’ve had one with zero shame when I was very young. It wasn’t pleasant and because I have a social conscience and care about our dying public services I wouldn’t gratuitously have another or use it as contraception. I don’t think that makes me anti feminist 🙄

LA's children will already know a weirdly large amount of stuff about her personal life as it's been splashed all over the tabloids for decades, so their situation is a bit different

Can't believe people are still using phrases like 'airing dirty laundry in public' in 2025. A very repressed and unhealthy attitude.

Try to write a pop song and I guarantee you won't think she's talentless anymore...

So she was a druggy who fucked prostitutes? Her poor ex.

I've never listened to her music, sounds like she needs a lot of therapy.

I think the album is bloody awful, no idea what all the fuss is about.

Maybe so, but then she was cheating on her partner(s) multiple times, with sex workers. I think I remember a song she released about how small an exes penis was. Imagine this behaviour from a man. She’s incredibly entitled and doesn’t seem to have any self awareness at all

Oh get you - you're "provoking a debate" - your point is still nonsense. If you had any critical thinking you'd see that.

Surely she's no better or worse than Taylor Swift who apparently sees every conquest as song material? What will she use for material when she's married?!
Can't say I follow her but being a dance Mom her music is sadly unavoidable!

Why people feel the need to air their dirty washing in public is beyond me!

If you had any kind of critical thinking ability you would understand the provocation.

No one said abortion and contraception are the same.

Did I even suggest that it hasn’t been done before? No. So why mock me? I am alluding to this specific work of art. The achievement is that Lily has done this after years of not producing music. And I am pleased to see that this work is critically acclaimed despite the hate on MN of all places.

This is bonkers no? From an artistic point of view? You love the album or you don’t ?

There’s got to be a separation between the artist and the craft no?
the voice /the sound/the substance /the Art

what on earth has the substance of the art got to with how you feel about what’s going in someone’s scatty personal life or how many abortions they’ve had - isn’t the torture of the personal , fodder for the Art etc

I mean from a historical perspective
I love David Bowie/Mick jagger/Jimmy pages music but know they were revolting pricks for having a well documented relationships/ liaisons with 14/15 year olds.
Rank

I love Picasso but what a crackpot mysoginist he was .

if you like her album listen to it - why on earth would your feelings about her as an individual ( bizarre) impact on how you feel about her music

I’ve not heard it yet…. But hee songs always were a bit like that ‘fuck you, fuck you very mu-uuuu-ch’ was one from years ago wasn’t it?
I used to be a fan and deleted her off devices when I had my daughter many years ago. Then she’s had a few years of not doing much due to becoming a mother herself didn’t she?
I do love her voice though, The song she sang for the John Lewis Christmas advert was lovely

I don’t have to like her choices with sex workers to like her music. I tend to be a person who separates the artist from their art.

i haven’t gotten ahold of the latest album yet. I’m not in the Uk, but I’ve managed to hear a few songs and was impressed. My first thought was about how singers, especially a certain brand of female singers, have to evolve as they age. If they keep trying to make bubblegum pop, they just look ridiculous. These songs still sound like Lily Allen, but an older, maybe not so wiser Lily Allen. Singers like Katy Perry should be taking notes.

But still I don’t feel that they need to be discussed in hushed tones, with shame or reverence or respect.
Is anyone saying that? I see it more from the point of view of acting like a responsible adult.

It’s biological matter being removed from your body, not unlike a wisdom tooth, or your tonsils, or a cyst.

It really isn't. I'm happy that the UK has possibly the most liberal abortion laws in the world but saying it's no different from getting your tonsils out is just as nonsensical as the pp saying contraception is no different from abortion.