To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

I don't think I've ever been 'stunned' by any album ever. People do use OTT language on here.

Why shouldn’t abortion be used as contraception? She can have as many as she bloody likes.

OMG, people are so.... come on. Who tf is judging a pop music album in terms of artist's moral, their personality or parental skills??? Are you for real?

Its entertaining. Its unusual, its brutal, raw, shocking and funny. I understand if someone says "I dont like her voice" etc - but saying "I wont listen to it because she had abortions and did not regret it, she is a bad parent and cheated on her ex" is completely ridiculous. Since when we became Bible belt Americans? Getting a strong album burning vibe here.

I’m Lily’s age and I do think she’s a really interesting barometer of our generation. All this stuff seemed so liberating and feminist when we were younger but the problem is, if you live by the sword you die by the sword. And even if it’s all above board and consensual on paper, it’s never that simple is it? There’s a reason why she felt she had to agree to opening the marriage - she was on the back foot in that relationship even as a rich and famous pop star (and is now discussing the element of shame and humiliation she feels in dating again at 40). I really don’t know what we as women need to do to win this game but this ain’t it.

It's utter nonsense say contraception and abortion are the same thing. I'm pro choice but Lily Allen was careless and stupid using abortion as contraception.

I don't think I've ever been 'stunned' by any album ever. People do use OTT language on here.

Yes!

I often imagine that some
of those posters are in my age bracket and wonder what happened to them. Young people must think we all had such strange and backward ideas about everything but trust me we didn’t.

Why is everyone forgetting to mention that these abortions cost our nhs millions each year? I’ve had one with zero shame when I was very young. It wasn’t pleasant and because I have a social conscience and care about our dying public services I wouldn’t gratuitously have another or use it as contraception. I don’t think that makes me anti feminist 🙄

I’ve not heard it yet…. But hee songs always were a bit like that ‘fuck you, fuck you very mu-uuuu-ch’ was one from years ago wasn’t it?
I used to be a fan and deleted her off devices when I had my daughter many years ago. Then she’s had a few years of not doing much due to becoming a mother herself didn’t she?
I do love her voice though, The song she sang for the John Lewis Christmas advert was lovely

I’ve been reading this thread from the beginning and I honestly think it’s gone in an odd direction. So many posters are now just here to personally assassinate Lily’s character and her life choices. Not sure that was at all the purpose of the thread.

Can't believe people are still using phrases like 'airing dirty laundry in public' in 2025. A very repressed and unhealthy attitude.

I’ve been reading this thread from the beginning and I honestly think it’s gone in an odd direction. So many posters are now just here to personally assassinate Lily’s character and her life choices. Not sure that was at all the purpose of the thread.

I'd like to remind people that not all women who've had abortions are doing it because of an unwanted pregnancy. Some very much want their babies but because of a risk to their own life (eg. ectopic pregnancies) or because the baby won't survive being born or won't live for long afterwards they choose to terminate the pregnancy. So yes, joking about how many abortions you've had is pretty awful, and a woman listening to that who had to make a very hard choice may well have found it upsetting. I certainly find it grim.

I'd like to remind people that not all women who've had abortions are doing it because of an unwanted pregnancy. Some very much want their babies but because of a risk to their own life (eg. ectopic pregnancies) or because the baby won't survive being born or won't live for long afterwards they choose to terminate the pregnancy. So yes, joking about how many abortions you've had is pretty awful, and a woman listening to that who had to make a very hard choice may well have found it upsetting. I certainly find it grim.

Oh get you - you're "provoking a debate" - your point is still nonsense. If you had any critical thinking you'd see that.

Have very hard, strong boundaries.

You think it’s healthy to share everything to everyone?

Surely she's no better or worse than Taylor Swift who apparently sees every conquest as song material? What will she use for material when she's married?!
Can't say I follow her but being a dance Mom her music is sadly unavoidable!

Why people feel the need to air their dirty washing in public is beyond me!

Also anyone who says " I am pro-choice but"... isn't really pro-choice. Either you support abortions or not. Not just carefully considered abortions in the appropriate number while feeling terribly guilty.