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To be a bit stunned by Lily Allen’s new album

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AngeloMysterioso · 24/10/2025 11:33

Oooofff. I mean it might as well be called Fuck You David Harbour, You Cheating Bastard. Safe to say she’s set a new bar for diaristic songwriting. I feel so sad for her, I know she’s not everyone’s favourite person but it’s always been clear that all she wanted was to love and be loved and she seemed so happy with him- he popped up on her podcast with Miquita Oliver a few times and seemed so genuine in the way he spoke about her… for it to all collapse in such spectacularly public and hideous fashion must have been awful to endure, so I don’t blame her for working through it by going back to what she does best but still… blimey. I feel like I’ve been spying in their bedroom or something after listening to it!

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fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:42

I don't think I can face anymore discussion about the woman so will depart. I wish you a harmonious weekend.

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:39

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:28

It doesn't mean she thinks it's fine. We don't know anything about what she really thinks or feels on that subject.

I think you’re splitting hairs now. She used them, she openly admits it and she sings about agreeing to her husband fucking other women on the condition that there’s payment for the sex.
People have their own (varying) opinions on the morality of that.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:38

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:38

Does that apply to male punters or just Lily Allen?

Yes it does

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:38

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

Does that apply to male punters or just Lily Allen?

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:36

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:35

No. That is a ridiculous argument.

Ok, we shall disagree

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:36

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:35

Or an extremely selfish person who doesn't consider others before her own needs.
She has DD's.

I think she may be this as well. I don't know her.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:35

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

No. That is a ridiculous argument.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:35

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

Or an extremely selfish person who doesn't consider others before her own needs.
She has DD's.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:34

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:33

You know that she is happy to use the services of prostitutes for her pleasure and her husbands.
Is that repulsive to you?

I don't know she was 'happy'. I don't know how she felt about it at all.

EmeraldShamrock000 · 26/10/2025 16:33

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:24

I don't know what her 'attitude' towards prostitution is, so how can I know if I am repulsed by it or not?

You know that she is happy to use the services of prostitutes for her pleasure and her husbands.
Is that repulsive to you?

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:33

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:32

Are you for real? She used prostitutes. I'm repulsed by anyone who uses prostitutes.

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She did indeed. And must be a person full of self loathing to live such a messed up life - can you not see that?

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:32

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:28

It doesn't mean she thinks it's fine. We don't know anything about what she really thinks or feels on that subject.

Are you for real? She used prostitutes. I'm repulsed by anyone who uses prostitutes.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:31

Lily Allen has spoken publicly and in her book about her use of prostitutes.

Here's the poor, poor pitiful me explanation from her.

I was looking for anything. Looking for an outlet. It's not really a salacious sex story, it's more about hotel rooms and being on my own and being very far away from my kids and my husband."

She later told her 870,000 Instagram followers: "I slept with female escorts when I was on tour, cause I was lost and lonely and looking for something."

There are gazillions of Google hits for "Lily Allen - sex workers"

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:28

It doesn't mean she thinks it's fine. We don't know anything about what she really thinks or feels on that subject.

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:27

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:24

I don't know what her 'attitude' towards prostitution is, so how can I know if I am repulsed by it or not?

Well I’m going to take an informed guess that as she has openly used prostitutes and is happy for her husband to use them, then she thinks using women as prostitutes is fine.
Many people will disagree with the attitude that behaviour demonstrates.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:24

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:19

It’s really not that deep. Some people are repulsed by her attitude towards prostitution and her endless ‘poor me, but give me attention’ rhetoric. You are not. That’s it really.
Would I shout abuse at her in the street? No. Do I wish her any ill? No. But I don’t like her and I’m allowed not to. I doubt she gives a shiny shit what I think of her.

I don't know what her 'attitude' towards prostitution is, so how can I know if I am repulsed by it or not?

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:24

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:21

Oh, and it is because I don't believe myself to have a firm grasp of the moral compass that I don't like moralising about random female popstars.

I don't like users of prostitutes and apologists for prostitution.

dreamiesformolly · 26/10/2025 16:23

AngeloMysterioso · 24/10/2025 12:55

Why shouldn’t abortion be used as contraception? She can have as many as she bloody likes.

In your opinion maybe. That doesn't make it fact.

Hiptothisjive · 26/10/2025 16:22

crossedlines · 24/10/2025 12:07

Hmmm, she’s also done her fair share of treating people horribly. It was openly known that she cheated on her former husband with sex workers. I can’t remember her ex husbands name but the one she had children with.

Or sleeping with Liam Gallagher when he was married. Hypocrisy at its best - it only counts when it happens to you Lily? Horrid human.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:21

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:02

It's astonishing that you seem to think you have such a firm grasp of the moral compass.

Do you expend so much compassion and understanding on male punters?

Oh, and it is because I don't believe myself to have a firm grasp of the moral compass that I don't like moralising about random female popstars.

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:21

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:16

I gave up on the hope of a nuanced conversation a few posts back🙂

Oh ha ha. It's not difficult. Please explain why we should feel " compassion and understanding" for Lily Allen when she abuses prostitutes but not when it's a man doing the same thing?

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:19

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:09

Am I an Officially Terrible Person now as well as Lily Allen? Is there a sticker I can wear?

It’s really not that deep. Some people are repulsed by her attitude towards prostitution and her endless ‘poor me, but give me attention’ rhetoric. You are not. That’s it really.
Would I shout abuse at her in the street? No. Do I wish her any ill? No. But I don’t like her and I’m allowed not to. I doubt she gives a shiny shit what I think of her.

fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:16

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I gave up on the hope of a nuanced conversation a few posts back🙂

IHaveAlwaysLivedintheCastle · 26/10/2025 16:15

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fortinbra · 26/10/2025 16:14

FourNaanJeremy · 26/10/2025 16:11

Well maybe that’s some people’s take.
I personally: don’t like her music, don’t like her as a person based on what she shares about her self and feel no guilt at all about having no sympathy for her.
If you feel differently that’s fine. But not everyone has to agree.

I don't feel any sympathy for her. I don't feel any judgment either. I do not know her, and I am not tedious enough to expend energy on people I do not know. I can, however, see that things, and people, are complicated, and not wholly good or bad.