Baby in pub / drink/drugs- serious concern - social services/police?

The pub were utterly negligent to allow this.

Pubs are not social services. They just serve drinks, trying to make a living.

Surely, in such a small village/town they - everyone - knows what's going on...

She will soon be "outed".

Those poor kids.

I agree with this. Also would there have been cctv at or near the pub op? Maybe police could check it? I called the police before when I saw a mother who looked like she was having a mental health crisis on a bus, her child was with her. Everyone ignored it. Police checked the cctv on the busses to see if they could find her.

Well done OP for reporting this.

I’d tell my son that sometimes in life you need to do the right thing, and you cannot turn a blind eye to neglect of children. I’d report regardless what he wanted, it’s one of those situations where welfare of children takes precedent. I’d ask him how he would feel if no-one reported and the young baby died.

I’m sorry your son’s judgment is terrible. Why doesn’t he care about these kids?

Well done, OP. We need more people like you in the world.

Well done OP. As the saying goes, safeguarding is everybody's business.

I'm glad you are reporting. It sounds like there could already be social care involved with the family so this might help build the bigger picture.

SS don't just remove children lightly. If they do it will be because the children are at serious risk.

As pp said cocaine in breast milk is extremely dangerous for one thing. It's also really dangerous if there's a chance a drunk person may fall asleep with a baby.

Sadly they are probably used to it and probably already know her

Thank you so much for reporting this. Child safeguarding is everybody's responsibility. I'm involved in child safeguarding and am aware of cases where babies have become seriously, as a result of ingesting a tiny amount of cocaine.

Re. the comment made "the locals look out for each other", however in this case they don't seem to look out for babies and children.

Social services don't just swoop in and remove children, unless there are very significant concerns. They try and work with families to keep families together, by offering support. Their assessments/reports are based on speaking to other professionals I.e. education, health, Police etc. Also, the courts are involved in decision making for children. Parents are always encouraged to seek legal representation, to ensure fair process and effective participation.

100% report it to both social services and the police even if you only know the grandmother's name it's better than nothing as it's a place to start and tell the police about that pub. Those poor kids.

Hey OP have you called the Childrens Social Care contact centre yet to report this?

I work in child safeguarding and we say this all the time. Safeguarding is everyone's responsibility, so you're not sticking your beak in.
You know this isnt ok and you reporting to children services is helping those children. They don't have their mum to protect them. Only other adults around. Please report (havent read full thread sorry)

is the this total b';ch breast feeding no is talking about that call the cops

Social Worker here - Adolescents team but previously family safeguarding.
Call Children’s Social Care tomorrow and give Grandmothers name as you don’t know mum’s.
Report what you have heard and let them know the name of the pub.
If CSC are able to identify who mum is they will contact her and carry out a Multi Agency Safeguarding Enquiry (MASH) to offer appropriate support moving forward for her and address any safeguarding concerns for the kids

The pub should have stopped serving anyone presenting as intoxicated with an under 5 in tow.

If this scenario unfolds - always always call the police, tell them you are requesting a safe and well check, the name of the pub and what is occurring

They will not be bothered by your name or details only checking that the children are safe!

please report to SW

Hearsay can be admitted as evidence. You’re mistaken in what it actually is though, and wrong about not being able to report it.

You absolutely can report something you didn’t witness. (I am a health professional and we have to report hearsay often if it’s about something that put a child at risk). It’s up to social services to decide how to treat the information reported.

Report it anyway op. At worst nothing will happen. At best, you’ll have potentially ensured the safely of these children.

Better removed than dead. But hopefully they would just be given lots and lots of warnings / support/ threats /tests etc

You can’t report something that you didn’t actually witness. It’s hearsay (effectively gossip!). If you insist on it being reported, it needs to be your son who reports it since he was present when it was happening.

Poor young woman, she clearly isn't coping at all - perhaps self-medicating for postnatal depression. And poor little ones, of course. Yes, I think you do need to report it. Do you know anyone in the village who knows the family perhaps and could give you more information as to what is going on?

Good luck OP. I understand it feels hard as you probably fear you might be responsible for the kids being separated from her. But I think you just have to trust that SS will do the right thing, hopefully re-home the kids with gran, if she is in a position to care for them safely (sounds like this has happened before) and hopefully get the young woman help for her substance misuse and other potential underlying problems..... Try to focus on the many positives of your actions, it will help!

I promise I am not someone who instantly advocates reporting things to authorities, as can happen in a slightly knee-jerk way on here I find. But in the situation you describe, it's clear everyone needs help.

Maybe speak to your son about it again too. I am not saying he is at faults as such - but maybe speak to him about other actions he could have reasonably taken at the time to safeguard everyone concerned - even if that is just phoning you to come down and assess the situation at the time.

Put it this way- there could be a pedo watching all this and eyeing up these kids as victim's. Learning the patterns, saying hi to the mum and the 8 year old becoming a ‘friend’ from the pub who visits them at home one day, the mum gets out of it and her kids are all his.
it’s blunt I know but it happens.

your phone call could save these kids- that’s what you need to think about.

I have heard of so many kids hurt and abused because the people around them did what your son wants to do…