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To call for this charity to be sued under UK equality act ?!

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Sickleg · 13/10/2025 16:33

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno.amp

They’ve got millions . Make them pay some of those millions to a women’s charity.

BBC STORY:

A charity run organised by the East London Mosque Trust has excluded women and girls aged 13 and over from taking part.
The Muslim Charity Run, which was held in Victoria Park in Tower Hamlets on Sunday, said on its website: "Our inclusive atmosphere ensures that every individual, from the youngest to the oldest, can take part and make a difference."
It added: "This is open to men, boys of all ages and girls under 12, but everyone is welcome at the park to cheer on the runners."

A stock image close-up of a female athlete tying her running shoe.

'Inclusive' Muslim Charity Run bans women and teenage girls - BBC News

The Muslim Charity Run says its "inclusive" race is open to men, boys - and girls under 12.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno.amp

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BackToLurk · 13/10/2025 18:11

A big problem with this event seems to be that it doesn’t claim to be ‘a run for men that children under a certain age can take part in’ It advertises itself as an inclusive event, and then excludes a huge part of the population.

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:08

BundleBoogie · 13/10/2025 17:57

Exactly. And according to the mosque, women and 12+ girls were excluded from participating because some make members of the mosque said so.

They were allowed to sit and watch though - how very ‘inclusive’.

But those women are practicing their faith, which they have a right to do so. Or are you assuming that all those women have been dragged there kicking and screaming to stand on the sidelines rather than being fine with the rules? because that would be quite the racist take.
There are many things in various religions that I don’t agree with, but I also accept that people practicing those faiths have every right to do so.

SomeGreyDay · 13/10/2025 18:07

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 18:01

12 years is commonly used as the cut off for children. Flights, hotels, restaurants, cinemas, event tickets etc., children are classed as those 12 and under.

So following your twisty logic of 12 being the cut off, why were boys over 12 not excluded too?

BundleBoogie · 13/10/2025 18:07

DiscoBob · 13/10/2025 18:01

I don't care for the angle that this group should be sued. My rights as a woman are unaffected by the fun run. And if Muslim women disagree with it then they should change it.

The same Muslim women that run the risk of being excommunicated or even murdered if they don’t play by the rules?

They may be the lucky ones that are allowed to speak up without repercussions but it’s not a given.

Bambamhoohoo · 13/10/2025 18:07

PencilsInSpace · 13/10/2025 17:56

A girl or woman who wanted to join the run but was excluded.

So why haven’t one of the angry posters on this thread done it?

why are they waiting for someone else to do it?

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/10/2025 18:05

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 17:55

A similar analogy would be a changing room that allows females of any age and males under 7. So males 8 and over would not be allowed. If boys are allowed, why not all males?

That's the opposite scenario - allowing prepubescent male children into what is otherwise a female only space. The reasons for allowing this are quite obvious, namely the fact that if it wasn't allowed, children would not be able to do things like go swimming unless they were with a parent of the same sex.

It's not at all like excluding all teenage girls and adult women from a race for no good reason.

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:04

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 17:48

I meant exactly what I said. I think most people who aren’t trolling will realise I’m a feminist and find it unacceptable that in that charities eyes that equality in the UK doesn’t extend to Muslim women in the UK. Do they not deserve rights too?!

Presumably a Muslim woman who thought that excluding Muslim women from certain things is unacceptable would likely not be practicing her faith.

BundleBoogie · 13/10/2025 18:03

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 17:57

OK, assuming your intentions are good then, are you a Muslim? Have you checked with Muslim women what they think? Heartwarming as your concern is, maybe they don't need you to jump in for them? This might be useful too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior

Muslim women have been objecting to this as well - they’ve just been ignored so far.

You may note that if Muslim women really didn’t want to participate in this publicly funded ‘family’ event, it wouldn’t have been necessary to for the organisers to explicitly exclude them?

Out of interest do you generally support unnecessary discrimination against people as long as you can’t hear them objecting ?

EasternStandard · 13/10/2025 18:03

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 17:52

No grounds just patriarchal modesty requirements placed on women.

Yes to this and @Boohoo76post on people ok with it.

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 18:01

DramaLlamacchiato · 13/10/2025 17:59

I’m not convinced Maya is right on this tbh because the PCs of religion, age and sex are all in play

what is the justification for the child cut off being 12? 14 year olds are children but a boy could participate yet not a girl?

12 years is commonly used as the cut off for children. Flights, hotels, restaurants, cinemas, event tickets etc., children are classed as those 12 and under.

PencilsInSpace · 13/10/2025 18:01

Merkins · 13/10/2025 17:47

Er, these ones do - religion. Belief is a protected characteristic.

As far as I can see the event was not restricted to muslims only.

Open to everyone: runners, walkers, and children (girls under 12 and boys of any age), plus family and friends as spectators or volunteers. Whether you’re taking part in the 5 km run or cheering from the sidelines, you’re welcome!

DiscoBob · 13/10/2025 18:01

SomeGreyDay · 13/10/2025 17:36

Do you not care about women's rights? Or do you only care about some women?

I don't care for the angle that this group should be sued. My rights as a woman are unaffected by the fun run. And if Muslim women disagree with it then they should change it.

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:01

PencilsInSpace · 13/10/2025 17:37

No, she means sued. The Equality Act is civil law, not criminal law. Nothing to do with the police or prosecution.

Actually, it is mainly civil law but under certain instances criminal prosecutions can be instigated.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/equalityguidance-criminal-civiljustice-2015-final.pdf

https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/equalityguidance-criminal-civiljustice-2015-final.pdf

DramaLlamacchiato · 13/10/2025 17:59

Martharian · 13/10/2025 17:28

It can be a single sex event but admit children of both sexes. Maya forstater, who admittedly isn’t a lawyer but does head up sex matters which is an advocacy group relating to sex/equality act, thinks it is legal, just as it is legal to have women only events that allow young boys.

I’m not convinced Maya is right on this tbh because the PCs of religion, age and sex are all in play

what is the justification for the child cut off being 12? 14 year olds are children but a boy could participate yet not a girl?

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 17:58

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 17:52

No grounds just patriarchal modesty requirements placed on women.

Is this your own assumption then?

BundleBoogie · 13/10/2025 17:57

Boohoo76 · 13/10/2025 17:32

Anyone who thinks this is OK has a serious problem. Many years ago, at university, I took part in a Balloon debate where one participant argued that women and girls should not be allowed an education. It’s depressing that we haven’t moved forward and that people are still defending those that support discrimination against women.

Exactly. And according to the mosque, women and 12+ girls were excluded from participating because some make members of the mosque said so.

They were allowed to sit and watch though - how very ‘inclusive’.

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 17:57

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 17:43

I’m not shit stirring. I’m advocating for Muslim women’s inclusion in a running event instead of just being there to cheer the men and girls under 12 on.
But interested in legal view. If I’m wrong I’ll just have to accept

OK, assuming your intentions are good then, are you a Muslim? Have you checked with Muslim women what they think? Heartwarming as your concern is, maybe they don't need you to jump in for them? This might be useful too. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_savior

PencilsInSpace · 13/10/2025 17:56

EasternStandard · 13/10/2025 17:45

How would it work? Who brings the action.

A girl or woman who wanted to join the run but was excluded.

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 17:55

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/10/2025 17:12

That's not what is happening here.

The Equality Act permits groups and organisations for people who share a protected characteristic, excluding all people who do not share that protected characteristic.

What it doesn't permit is a race in which women over the age of 12 are excluded. Because men and boys don't share a protected characteristic with girls under 12.

A similar analogy would be a changing room that allows females of any age and males under 7. So males 8 and over would not be allowed. If boys are allowed, why not all males?

SomeGreyDay · 13/10/2025 17:55

nomas · 13/10/2025 17:49

I said it's OK to have separate events. They should have similar investment and funding, proportionate to the number of runners. I've given you a list of women only activities at my local mosque, are you suggesting they should be open to men too?

If the ELM is only organising events for men then that is an issue and they need to be challenged. But if you tell people they can't have segregated events then you are imposing on the UK's religious freedoms which are for everyone, not just you.

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Separate events would of course be fine. But they aren't. Go to their website and see for yourself. But everyone is welcome to ' cheer from the sidelines '! Yay, how gracious of the men folk.

Kuretake · 13/10/2025 17:55

I agree with Maya's analysis - I think it's legal.

PencilsInSpace · 13/10/2025 17:52

Martharian · 13/10/2025 17:28

It can be a single sex event but admit children of both sexes. Maya forstater, who admittedly isn’t a lawyer but does head up sex matters which is an advocacy group relating to sex/equality act, thinks it is legal, just as it is legal to have women only events that allow young boys.

But it wasn't advertised as a single sex event. Their website is here:

https://muslimcharityrun.org.uk/

It's all 'people of all ages and backgrounds' and 'an event where everyone belongs'. You have to go rummaging in the drop down boxes on the event info page to find out 12+ girls and women are excluded.

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 17:52

Thatstheheatingon · 13/10/2025 17:45

This isn't a male only event, since they allow girls under 12. So it's not a single sex event. So what are the grounds for excluding women 12+?

No grounds just patriarchal modesty requirements placed on women.

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 13/10/2025 17:52

Merkins · 13/10/2025 17:47

Er, these ones do - religion. Belief is a protected characteristic.

That doesn't mean that they can do what they like or that they are exempt from the Equality Act. The women they are excluding also share their religion so they are not correctly applying the exemption.

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 17:51

5MinuteArgument · 13/10/2025 17:01

There's a 1,000 post thread on this, on Feminism Chat.

Interesting that the (very short) article on the BBC website says that females of 13 and over are barred from the event. In fact its females over 12. Although I'm very surprised the BBC covered this at all as it doesn't fit with their cosy view of the world.

Females of 13 or over ARE over 12! If you’re over 12, you’re 13.