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To call for this charity to be sued under UK equality act ?!

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Sickleg · 13/10/2025 16:33

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno.amp

They’ve got millions . Make them pay some of those millions to a women’s charity.

BBC STORY:

A charity run organised by the East London Mosque Trust has excluded women and girls aged 13 and over from taking part.
The Muslim Charity Run, which was held in Victoria Park in Tower Hamlets on Sunday, said on its website: "Our inclusive atmosphere ensures that every individual, from the youngest to the oldest, can take part and make a difference."
It added: "This is open to men, boys of all ages and girls under 12, but everyone is welcome at the park to cheer on the runners."

A stock image close-up of a female athlete tying her running shoe.

'Inclusive' Muslim Charity Run bans women and teenage girls - BBC News

The Muslim Charity Run says its "inclusive" race is open to men, boys - and girls under 12.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c1kwk1204jno.amp

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Greggsit · 13/10/2025 18:43

BackToLurk · 13/10/2025 17:41

The RoI isn’t covered by the U.K. Equality Act

Yes. But the OP wants to ban a charity running event because it excludes women. This is an example of a charity running event that excludes men. I'd like to know if the OP has the same feelings about this one, or whether it's just because it's organized by a mosque that she's upset.

BundleBoogie · 13/10/2025 18:42

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:08

But those women are practicing their faith, which they have a right to do so. Or are you assuming that all those women have been dragged there kicking and screaming to stand on the sidelines rather than being fine with the rules? because that would be quite the racist take.
There are many things in various religions that I don’t agree with, but I also accept that people practicing those faiths have every right to do so.

No. Those women were explicitly excluded.

They didn’t have the option to either ‘practice their faith’ or attend.

I guess this brings the wider problem which, if as you say, Muslim women ‘practising their faith’ means they are excluded from normal daily activities to their detriment, why are we enabling this ideology as a country of freedom?

Should we also allow Muslims to ‘practice their faith’ for forced or child marriage and FGM (not exclusive to Islam but widely practised in some groups)? Where do we draw the line?

It should we require all residents of this country to adhere to UK laws which we have in place for very good reasons?

Btw, a religion where the only exit route is excommunication or death doesn’t really foster freedom of thought or action. I was friends with a young ex Muslim girl. The price she paid for freedom of thought and expression was all contact with her family. They cut her off as if she was dead.

sunshinestar1986 · 13/10/2025 18:41

Dunno who's trying to fight on behalf of the muslim women and girls but have you even asked if they have an issue with this?
I can tell you right now that this is many muslimwomen's preference
To not run with the men
So who exactly are u fighting for?

YoudonemessedupAyAyRon · 13/10/2025 18:32

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:04

Presumably a Muslim woman who thought that excluding Muslim women from certain things is unacceptable would likely not be practicing her faith.

Not necessarily. So much of religion comes down to interpretation, and who has the loudest voice and can push their understanding of scripture into orthodoxy. Sects exist in most religions. Having a minority opinion to the orthodoxy does not stop one from being a believer or a practitioner of the religion.

YesImaman1100 · 13/10/2025 18:30

Hufflemuff · 13/10/2025 16:58

As a fat woman who hates exercise, I welcome this approach.

😂
As a fat man in the same boat, I want to be banned too!

BundleBoogie · 13/10/2025 18:29

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:04

Presumably a Muslim woman who thought that excluding Muslim women from certain things is unacceptable would likely not be practicing her faith.

So as this faith explicitly excludes women from some things to their obvious detriment, why are we allowing men with the same beliefs to be elected to positions of power?

The Mayor of Tower Hamlets (the location of this mosque) for example. A Muslim with some seriously anti democratic history was only prevented from standing for election for 5 years - a mere slap on the wrist.

From the article below:

Sensationally forced out of government seven years earlier, a specialist court found him guilty of vote-rigging and religious intimidation which resulted in 2014 local elections being annulled.
The election court in 2015 heard Mr Rahman made false statements about his rival Labour’s John Biggs, administered council grants in a way that constituted electoral bribery and spiritually intimidated voters.

He has now been ‘re- elected’ and by all accounts is doing a terrible job for those not from his Bangladeshi community. A study has found that people originating from Pakistan and Bangladesh are most likely to engage in electoral fraud.

Toxic” was the standout word from a recent damning report into Tower Hamlets council and how it is run under independent mayor Lutfur Rahman.
A secretive culture permeates a town hall where “many good managers" have quit as a result of "speaking truth to power”, was the thrust of a government ordered investigation.
One councillor told the Standard that the atmosphere inside the local authority was "often dysfunctional and, at best, childish".

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lutfur-rahman-tower-hamlets-mayor-aspire-b1205024.html

www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0261379417300811

The complex world of Lutfur Rahman: power struggles, corruption… and popularity 

Struck off as a solicitor and once banned from standing in elections, Lutfur Rahman remains a divisive figure

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/lutfur-rahman-tower-hamlets-mayor-aspire-b1205024.html

PencilsInSpace · 13/10/2025 18:29

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:01

Actually, it is mainly civil law but under certain instances criminal prosecutions can be instigated.
https://www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/equalityguidance-criminal-civiljustice-2015-final.pdf

That document says the equality act applies to the criminal justice system, i.e. the police or court etc. is not allowed to treat you worse because of a protected characteristic. If they did you could take them to court and they may be ordered to pay you compensation but they would not be prosecuted.

SomethingInnocuousForNow · 13/10/2025 18:27

JHound · 13/10/2025 16:53

So? What’s the difference between excluding 1 group vs. 10?

It's the difference between "this group is for Chinese students only' and 'this group is for students of all ethnicities except Chinese'.

BackToLurk · 13/10/2025 18:26

The organisers argument will presumably be that this is a single sex event that allows children to also participate. Similar to how (as others have stated) male children in particular are allowed access to otherwise single sex services and spaces. They should have advertised it as a single sex event though.

SomeGreyDay · 13/10/2025 18:22

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 18:16

It's not twisty logic FFS. It's standard practice in the UK to define children as under 12s, I didn't make that up

Calm down. If you can't answer the question then just say so. I'll try again - why do you think the definition of ' children ' being under the age of 12 apply to only the girls in this event?

Bambamhoohoo · 13/10/2025 18:22

Underthinker · 13/10/2025 18:17

I don't think the EA works like that.
The general rule is all services are available to everyone by default, but certain exceptions can be applied where needed.

But regardless of the intricacies of the law, single sex sports usually exist to allow women fair and equal opportunities, this is the opposite, so legal or not, it's unethical.

Edited

Unethical doesn’t really matter though because you can’t sue someone for that.

Bambamhoohoo · 13/10/2025 18:21

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 18:15

I want the government and charity commission to bring the lawsuit. I wouldn’t know where to start tbh and I don’t have the money to do it or the time. So I’m starting by creating awareness on public forum.

Edited

That’s not how lawsuits work 😂

you can’t expect some random body to sue someone because you asked them to.

Even so, you’re not even asking then, you’re asking mumsnet to “create awareness” (which doesn’t make legal action happen) and arguing with every poster who says you may not be right.

just spend a few hours researching it and start a claim in the relevant court.

The charities commission aren’t going to launch a legal case for lack of compliance with the equalities act ffs 😭

stichguru · 13/10/2025 18:21

The question is the reason.

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:21

Underthinker · 13/10/2025 18:17

I don't think the EA works like that.
The general rule is all services are available to everyone by default, but certain exceptions can be applied where needed.

But regardless of the intricacies of the law, single sex sports usually exist to allow women fair and equal opportunities, this is the opposite, so legal or not, it's unethical.

Edited

There is a sentence on p20 of the EA doc that says
“In certain circumstances, a religion or belief organisation can discriminate because of religion or belief or sexual orientation in the way they operate”
I’m sure they would argue that this is what they have done.

www.equalityhumanrights.com/sites/default/files/equalityguidance-criminal-civiljustice-2015-final.pdf

Pippalongsticking · 13/10/2025 18:20

YANBU we have come too far in this country on equal rights to put up with this shit!

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 18:18

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:13

Please quote the exact part of the Equality Act 2010 that says they have broken the law then I will stand corrected.

Yes this is it, the whole thread is a waste of time if the OP can't do this

Underthinker · 13/10/2025 18:17

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:13

Please quote the exact part of the Equality Act 2010 that says they have broken the law then I will stand corrected.

I don't think the EA works like that.
The general rule is all services are available to everyone by default, but certain exceptions can be applied where needed.

But regardless of the intricacies of the law, single sex sports usually exist to allow women fair and equal opportunities, this is the opposite, so legal or not, it's unethical.

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 18:17

Currymaker · 13/10/2025 18:15

What's distressing about this race is that the organisers claim that it's an inclusive event, when it's openly excluding a specific group of people. If it were men only, or women only, that would be ok provided they didn't call it inclusive. By saying that females over the age of 12 can't run, they're making it clear that they feel there is something wrong with adolescent girls and women running. I'd love to hear them say openly what those reasons are.

Me too. It’s about “modesty”

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greenleafy · 13/10/2025 18:16

SomeGreyDay · 13/10/2025 18:07

So following your twisty logic of 12 being the cut off, why were boys over 12 not excluded too?

It's not twisty logic FFS. It's standard practice in the UK to define children as under 12s, I didn't make that up

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 18:15

Bambamhoohoo · 13/10/2025 18:07

So why haven’t one of the angry posters on this thread done it?

why are they waiting for someone else to do it?

I want the government and charity commission to bring the lawsuit. I wouldn’t know where to start tbh and I don’t have the money to do it or the time. So I’m starting by creating awareness on public forum.

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Currymaker · 13/10/2025 18:15

What's distressing about this race is that the organisers claim that it's an inclusive event, when it's openly excluding a specific group of people. If it were men only, or women only, that would be ok provided they didn't call it inclusive. By saying that females over the age of 12 can't run, they're making it clear that they feel there is something wrong with adolescent girls and women running. I'd love to hear them say openly what those reasons are.

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:13

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 18:11

They can practise their faith however they want “under UK Equality law”.

Please quote the exact part of the Equality Act 2010 that says they have broken the law then I will stand corrected.

BundleBoogie · 13/10/2025 18:12

greenleafy · 13/10/2025 17:40

What do you mean by "these men" and "UK laws" and "law of the land". Anyone would think you're racist and viewing Muslims as foreigners 😏

It didn’t take long for the ‘racist’ card to be played. Muslim is not a ‘race’ fyi.

People living in the UK are subject to UK law.

We should not allow any group to be exempt from UK law as that leads to serious harm and issues in our society.

TypeyMcTypeface · 13/10/2025 18:12

"Our inclusive atmosphere ensures that every individual, from the youngest to the oldest, can take part and make a difference."

There might be valid reasons within the framework of the Muslim faith to exclude women, but calling it an 'inclusive event' where 'every individual can take part' is simply not accurate.

Sickleg · 13/10/2025 18:11

Soontobe60 · 13/10/2025 18:08

But those women are practicing their faith, which they have a right to do so. Or are you assuming that all those women have been dragged there kicking and screaming to stand on the sidelines rather than being fine with the rules? because that would be quite the racist take.
There are many things in various religions that I don’t agree with, but I also accept that people practicing those faiths have every right to do so.

They can practise their faith however they want “under UK Equality law”.

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