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Is this acceptable in the workplace?

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Middleware · 06/10/2025 11:33

In a group Teams chat someone has posted asking for some work to be done. Some one (male) has responded that ‘the queue for that is longer than the one for Bonnie Blue’.

Another woman on the chat has pulled him up for this saying it’s an unacceptable comment.

Is this acceptable? My gut is telling me this is not reasonable but I would like to formalize in my head why it isn’t. Misogynistic? Inappropriate reference to porn on a work chat?

Fwiw the bloke is a bit of a twit and the woman is highly respected but known for being a bit prickly

YABU = this is acceptable
YANBU = this is unacceptable

OP posts:
Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 13:14

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 06/10/2025 12:58

I don’t think many people aspire to Bonnie Blue’s career, to be honest. Though apparently you do. Nowt so queer as folk.

She set out to be rich and famous and she has achieved that. That’s what successful means. I don’t aspire to be Donald Trump either but would still consider him a ‘successful’ politician.

PotassiumPermanganate · 06/10/2025 13:14

As usual, the woman who finds herself in this situation caused by a man is the one who feels bad about her response. There's a bloke at my work who is using the company private messaging to attempt to flirt with me, is always looking at my linked in page, has requested to follow me on Instagram, and blatantly asked if I'm married the other day, as if it's any of his business, and I am batting it all off politely/ignoring it. But I still have to work with him, so am constantly going over it in my mind do I report this? Do I speak to him directly? Do I totally ignore his messages, ignore him when I see him in the kitchen, and block him on Instagram and look like a snarky knob??? I understand your problem OP, which way do you go? Do we as women have to just put up with it and keep quiet because it's just banter? Or do we call it out and look like a moany woman who can't take a joke/misguided compliment? It's infuriating.

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 13:12

AnSolas · 06/10/2025 13:00

Yes try shame the OP for the sexism and misogyny displayed by the man who is old enough to know better.

Could you clearly explain why it was a sexist and misogynistic comment please?

AnSolas · 06/10/2025 13:00

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:19

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest - it’s a simile related to a very well known news story (I can’t fathom how you’ve never heard of her…) which was all over mainstream media.
It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

He sounds like a prick generally though with his response.

Yes try shame the OP for the sexism and misogyny displayed by the man who is old enough to know better.

TheRealCrispConspiracy · 06/10/2025 12:59

It's good you called him out on it (and the others should have done that as well rather than message you privately) but I wouldn't take it further than that unless he repeatedly makes statements like that in spite of having been asked not to previously. You gave him a warning and told him it wasnt appropriate now give him a chance to learn this lesson (given his response I doubt he will...). I don't think we should crucify people for making one off stupid comments. He just mentioned a porn star. Yes, inappropriate in the work place and he probably is sexist but there isn't enough of substance in what he said to pin him down on anything concrete.

Also, it sounds like you have a list of more serious grievances against him. Honestly, I think if you complain about something comparatively trivial now it will make your other complaints less impactful.

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 06/10/2025 12:58

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:52

If you honestly think making a joke about a very successful women who chooses to have sex with hundreds of men is in the same category as making a joke about car crash or terrorist victims then there’s nothing more to say.

I don’t think many people aspire to Bonnie Blue’s career, to be honest. Though apparently you do. Nowt so queer as folk.

BitOutOfPractice · 06/10/2025 12:58

Middleware · 06/10/2025 11:41

I had to google it! I didn’t know what the comment referred to until my colleague raised it

Oh god I hope you didn’t google that on your work phone / computer!!

Mumofoneandone · 06/10/2025 12:54

He was being unprofessional - both in his comment and then the poo emoji. The fact that 3 other men have messaged you with support says it all.
It maybe worth getting this put 'on file', as there is some history between you and it gets to a stage where it can't be ignored.
Individually, certain comments and behaviour can be brushed off, but when it keeps happening it's part of a bigger issue and needs addressing.

AnSolas · 06/10/2025 12:53

Middleware · 06/10/2025 12:00

Ok full disclosure here. It was me who called him out in it. In public, on the chat.

I don’t know if I should have approached it privately.

He has responded to my comment with a Poo emoji and is now on leave for a couple of weeks so I can’t just speak to him.

Reading this back it all sounds so ridiculous.

But I have of late been made to feel that I am ‘difficult’ at work since a takeover and a major restructure. The man in question has caused me problems by damaging my reputation with his senior management.

3 of the other men on the chat have PM’d me to make it clear they are shocked by his comment.

I am unsure whether to take it further, or whether this will just provide proof that I am a troublemaker.

Good for you to call out his grim porn comparison.

And his reply of "shit" 100% makes it a HR issue.

You dont have to make a "big deal" of it email his manager with the screen shots and ask him/her to deal with the matter.

You owe him exactly nothing if he has been playing poiltic with your work reputation.

His role is to give you an actual time line or to say its only going to be a deliverable if someone more senior decided that it gets to skip the que.

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:53

DiscoBob · 06/10/2025 12:40

Absolutely pathetic. And deeply unprofessional. Who the fuck sends a shit emoji as the sole response to a work performance concern?!

Yes I think that is the problem here - not the initial comment…

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:52

TheGreatWesternShrew · 06/10/2025 12:44

A news story about porn. It would be equally inappropriate if he made a joke about the young boy killed in a car crash, the recent antisemitic attacks etc. being in the news doesn’t make it work appropriate.

If you honestly think making a joke about a very successful women who chooses to have sex with hundreds of men is in the same category as making a joke about car crash or terrorist victims then there’s nothing more to say.

Owly11 · 06/10/2025 12:44

Yes take it further it sounds as if he already is damaging your work reputation. You need to be strategic. Lodge a silent note on his HR file about sex discrimination so that you have something up your sleeve should you need it later. And next time do the same instead of calling him out. Calling him out puts yourself at risk whereas providing HR an audit trail of every time he acts like a nob gives you protection if things get difficult.

TheGreatWesternShrew · 06/10/2025 12:44

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:19

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest - it’s a simile related to a very well known news story (I can’t fathom how you’ve never heard of her…) which was all over mainstream media.
It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

He sounds like a prick generally though with his response.

A news story about porn. It would be equally inappropriate if he made a joke about the young boy killed in a car crash, the recent antisemitic attacks etc. being in the news doesn’t make it work appropriate.

procrastinating20 · 06/10/2025 12:43

Even if it wasn’t misogynistic (which it is) it’s highly unprofessional

DiscoBob · 06/10/2025 12:42

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:23

It’s ‘unprofessional’ to suggest you have heard of someone who had four Guardian stories written about her in the last 3 months? Don’t be so ridiculous.

Edited

It was meant to be a bit of a light-hearted joke, that part. But OP did say she had to Google her!

TheGreatWesternShrew · 06/10/2025 12:41

Of course it’s unacceptable to make jokes about sex work and pornography at work. Even mentioning a popular porn star/ sex worker by name is inappropriate at work.

Its an offensive remark.

DiscoBob · 06/10/2025 12:40

Middleware · 06/10/2025 12:14

Quite 🙄

Absolutely pathetic. And deeply unprofessional. Who the fuck sends a shit emoji as the sole response to a work performance concern?!

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:39

Middleware · 06/10/2025 12:29

It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

this is my concern. I have fought many battles in the past for equal pay, part time rights etc. I don’t know if this is a fight I want to engage in.

Probably best left alone having expressed my disapproval.

Thank you for your considered response which comes through in all of your posts (with the fact that it made you uncomfortable and you are trying to figure out whether you are unreasonable). I’m assuming you are not a ‘modern feminist’ for whom sex work is work so it isn’t in anyway misogynistic to mention a woman who is following her chosen career…..
Also I would just do an eye roll at fairly harmless comments like this and keep your powder dry for the important stuff. This guy does seem like the sort to suggest that an uptight women ‘needs a good shag’ for example.

Fitzcarraldo353 · 06/10/2025 12:39

PotassiumPermanganate · 06/10/2025 12:21

He sounds a complete knob. You're right to complain. And those other men who say in private that they're shocked, they should call him out publicly to support you.

I find this the most frustrating part. Why did they all message you privately? Why couldn't they have shown you some support publicity, especially when dickhead responded with a poo emoji like a child. I'd be tempted to ask them to be more visible in their support

MyMilchick · 06/10/2025 12:36

It's a gross comment in a professional setting, as a woman, I would find it demeaning to hear a man speak like that around colleagues especially other men

Salvadoridory · 06/10/2025 12:35

Its not funny but its true. Theres no greater misogynist that BB herself.

mumofoneAloneandwell · 06/10/2025 12:33

Middleware · 06/10/2025 12:26

I think it’s a fair assessment of my middle aged self since I started to give less of a fuck what they think of me

No judgement here girl, youre doing amazing 🙌🏽🙌🏽🙌🏽

Middleware · 06/10/2025 12:29

It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

this is my concern. I have fought many battles in the past for equal pay, part time rights etc. I don’t know if this is a fight I want to engage in.

Probably best left alone having expressed my disapproval.

OP posts:
Middleware · 06/10/2025 12:26

mumofoneAloneandwell · 06/10/2025 12:17

I am obsessed with your description of yourself being 'well respected but known for being a bit prickly' 😄😄😄

I think it’s a fair assessment of my middle aged self since I started to give less of a fuck what they think of me

OP posts:
Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:23

DiscoBob · 06/10/2025 11:37

I don't think talking about a prostitute for no relevant reason in the workplace is acceptable, no. He was clearly trying to be funny but obviously must be a perv/misogynist if he's got that kind of imagery floating around the top of his mind, seemingly at all times.

It's unprofessional to even admit you know who Bonnie Blue is!

It’s ‘unprofessional’ to suggest you have heard of someone who had four Guardian stories written about her in the last 3 months? Don’t be so ridiculous.