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Is this acceptable in the workplace?

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Middleware · 06/10/2025 11:33

In a group Teams chat someone has posted asking for some work to be done. Some one (male) has responded that ‘the queue for that is longer than the one for Bonnie Blue’.

Another woman on the chat has pulled him up for this saying it’s an unacceptable comment.

Is this acceptable? My gut is telling me this is not reasonable but I would like to formalize in my head why it isn’t. Misogynistic? Inappropriate reference to porn on a work chat?

Fwiw the bloke is a bit of a twit and the woman is highly respected but known for being a bit prickly

YABU = this is acceptable
YANBU = this is unacceptable

OP posts:
BauhausOfEliott · 06/10/2025 16:28

Isobel201 · 06/10/2025 16:22

I remember when I was in the office in my previous job, someone had put a note on one of the vending machines highlighting the cost saying 'even Dick Turpin wore a mask!' it was removed, but whether they were reprimanded or not I don't know. At least I knew where the Dick Turpin comment came from, but Bonnie Blue I had to google. Its not in the best of tastes, but I wouldn't have pulled him up for it.

Referencing the standard visual depiction of an early 18th century highwayman and antihero isn’t really the name as bringing up the topic of a porn star’s filmed gangbangs.

bogstandardaf · 06/10/2025 16:25

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PrizedPickledPopcorn · 06/10/2025 16:22

Inappropriate
Referencing prostitution in the work place is inappropriate and also sexist and misogynistic- because the Bonnie Blue situation is sexist and misogynistic.
Prostitution is sexist and misogynistic. Women are most likely to be vulnerable in prostitution.

It objectifies a woman in front of other women- his colleagues.

Isobel201 · 06/10/2025 16:22

I remember when I was in the office in my previous job, someone had put a note on one of the vending machines highlighting the cost saying 'even Dick Turpin wore a mask!' it was removed, but whether they were reprimanded or not I don't know. At least I knew where the Dick Turpin comment came from, but Bonnie Blue I had to google. Its not in the best of tastes, but I wouldn't have pulled him up for it.

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 16:19

JustTryingToBeMe · 06/10/2025 16:00

I would consider somebody like Bonnie blue to be vulnerable. In my opinion, her behaviour is hardly what we would call normal and the men who engaged in sexual activities with her are deeply unpleasant if they can’t see that her behaviour probably comes from some deep seated insecurity, in one way or another. I would absolutely argue that it is inappropriate to use the “just because she’s a prostitute” argument because that demonises prostitutes and prostitution and that’s just awful.
I suppose I put it in the same bracket as suggesting that the queue is as long as it is for biological women hoping to find a single sex toilet that hasn’t been invaded by non-biological women.
I’m not asking everybody to agree with me; perhaps I’m too old and this is just modern humour. It certainly isn’t the humour of my children but perhaps that’s because I am their mother and we’ve discussed this sort of sexualisation of women to try to encourage debate and support for marginalised and vulnerable people in society.
There isn’t really an awful lot of point in discussing this because clearly my standards are different from yours and that doesn’t make either of us right or wrong. Also, clearly I am not an expert, I only have the knowledge of my own workplace training which would have considered that comment to be inappropriate.
Within the law we have the right to live by different standards because we live in a democracy and I am eternally grateful for that.

Thank you - I don’t necessarily agree with you but I understand your reasoning.
you are suggesting that she is a vulnerable female victim and therefore making a joke about her is misogynistic.

BauhausOfEliott · 06/10/2025 16:17

I don’t think I’d have been personally offended by it but yes, it’s definitely inappropriate.

I think someone would have to be pretty daft not to realise why name-checking porn stars, and alluding to the specifics of their work, is best avoided in professional conversations.

It’s neither sexist nor misogynistic as a comparison, and I certainly think it’s at the lowest end of the scale of workplace inappropriateness, but porn stars and their work aren’t a suitable reference for an office Teams chat.

BriefEncountersOfTheThirdKind · 06/10/2025 16:15

AnSolas · 06/10/2025 15:25

Why opt for the personal attack?

Why not just answer the question?

Which role he assigned the OP in his simile when asked for the time line for the deliverable?

It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

This ^ was you dismissing the comment as within the bounds of professional conduct not sexist nor misogyny.

So which role is the OP assigned in his simile?

The prostitute being abused?

Or abuser engaged in the abuse of the prostitute?

He didn't assign OP ANY role as a prostitute ffs

He equated the eagerness for people to di a certain job with the line of 1000 men

IAmTheLogLady · 06/10/2025 16:13

It doesn't matter if its misogynistic or not or even if other people would be bothered by the comment - it's inappropriate for the workplace. He had an opportunity to retract his post and apologise for this but instead posted a shit emoji, which is utterly ridiculous.
I would take this further.

WishinAndHopin · 06/10/2025 16:01

I voted YABU but might change my mind after hearing about the poo emoji. He's just childish.

Sometimes I think society has gone a bit too far with curtailing humour, and initially I thought this might be one of those cases, but it depends on the work environment and whether it's a casual, jokey sort of place. The poo emoji is making me think he's just juvenile and not good at reading the room.

If you're called up on it, you'll have to phrase with your superiors that you don't want any porn or sex jokes in the workplace, as it makes you uncomfortable.

JustTryingToBeMe · 06/10/2025 16:00

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 15:39

Still don’t get you. I see why it may make it inappropriate for work but why is referencing a prostitute sexist or misogynistic?

The answer ‘because she’s a prostitute’ is nonsensical.

I would consider somebody like Bonnie blue to be vulnerable. In my opinion, her behaviour is hardly what we would call normal and the men who engaged in sexual activities with her are deeply unpleasant if they can’t see that her behaviour probably comes from some deep seated insecurity, in one way or another. I would absolutely argue that it is inappropriate to use the “just because she’s a prostitute” argument because that demonises prostitutes and prostitution and that’s just awful.
I suppose I put it in the same bracket as suggesting that the queue is as long as it is for biological women hoping to find a single sex toilet that hasn’t been invaded by non-biological women.
I’m not asking everybody to agree with me; perhaps I’m too old and this is just modern humour. It certainly isn’t the humour of my children but perhaps that’s because I am their mother and we’ve discussed this sort of sexualisation of women to try to encourage debate and support for marginalised and vulnerable people in society.
There isn’t really an awful lot of point in discussing this because clearly my standards are different from yours and that doesn’t make either of us right or wrong. Also, clearly I am not an expert, I only have the knowledge of my own workplace training which would have considered that comment to be inappropriate.
Within the law we have the right to live by different standards because we live in a democracy and I am eternally grateful for that.

AppropriateAdult · 06/10/2025 15:58

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:52

If you honestly think making a joke about a very successful women who chooses to have sex with hundreds of men is in the same category as making a joke about car crash or terrorist victims then there’s nothing more to say.

I think most people with any knowledge of the world recognise that this girl is in a very bad place and isn’t making decisions that are in her best interests at all. It’s a really sad situation, and men using it as a jokey reference point are pretty gross.

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 15:58

Terfarina · 06/10/2025 15:53

ok handmaiden...

I’m still waiting for someone to explain why a reference to a prostitute is sexist/misogynistic rather than just inappropriate for the workplace.
Maybe you can oblige me rather than throwing insults at a woman just because she doesn’t agree with you.

Flakey99 · 06/10/2025 15:57

Personally, I’d refer it to HR and hope he gets a disciplinary for his grossly offensive comments, inc. Poo emoji.

Until all the senior women stand up together and loudly shout ‘ENOUGH’, this sexist crap will continue well into the next century!

moderndilemma · 06/10/2025 15:56

Totally disagree with this poster: It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

imo, it's people like OP who call out casual sexism make it clear to others (including the men in the group) that this is not acceptable - maybe it makes it easier for them all to stand up to it next time. Serious sexism and misogyny IS dismissed, but partly because of the slippery-slope. If it is always unacceptable then the boundary is clearer.

Ariel896 · 06/10/2025 15:55

mumofoneAloneandwell · 06/10/2025 12:17

I am obsessed with your description of yourself being 'well respected but known for being a bit prickly' 😄😄😄

Me too! 😂
feeling like that the whole thing is a bit fishy 🧐

Terfarina · 06/10/2025 15:53

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 12:19

Wouldn’t bother me in the slightest - it’s a simile related to a very well known news story (I can’t fathom how you’ve never heard of her…) which was all over mainstream media.
It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

He sounds like a prick generally though with his response.

ok handmaiden...

BadgernTheGarden · 06/10/2025 15:45

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 15:40

‘That sort of language’ He compared a long queue to a famously long queue…..
that’s literally all he did!

My main problem with it is it makes no sense as an analogy. If it's the work that's in a queue it's the wrong way round, or was everyone queuing up to do the work (sounds unlikely)?

VikingB0atFind · 06/10/2025 15:45

Unacceptable comment in the work place

Snorlaxo · 06/10/2025 15:43

It wouldn’t be acceptable in my work place. There’s so many analogies that he could have used - the queues for the Next Sale, Oasis tickets, Boxing Day sales… but presumably he’d rather look like a member of The Inbetweeners.

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 15:40

JustTryingToBeMe · 06/10/2025 15:35

The reference to “Bonnie blue“ is what makes it sexist and misogynistic. There are far more erudite ways to make your point for example queue is longer than the great Wall of China; the queue is longer than the distance from lands end to John O’Groats; anything is better than such an appalling reference to such an appalling scenario. I’m really, really sorry that you can’t see that on your own and that is why misogynyk is becoming entrenched in the male psyche at the moment. I am too old to be nice to people and too old to put up with this sort of dribble. In the workplace it is completely unacceptable but out with their mates Maybe it’s just about bearable but I would be very disappointed if I found out that a son of mine or my partner thought that that sort of language was acceptable. It just isn’t funny on any level.

‘That sort of language’ He compared a long queue to a famously long queue…..
that’s literally all he did!

BadgernTheGarden · 06/10/2025 15:40

Middleware · 06/10/2025 11:33

In a group Teams chat someone has posted asking for some work to be done. Some one (male) has responded that ‘the queue for that is longer than the one for Bonnie Blue’.

Another woman on the chat has pulled him up for this saying it’s an unacceptable comment.

Is this acceptable? My gut is telling me this is not reasonable but I would like to formalize in my head why it isn’t. Misogynistic? Inappropriate reference to porn on a work chat?

Fwiw the bloke is a bit of a twit and the woman is highly respected but known for being a bit prickly

YABU = this is acceptable
YANBU = this is unacceptable

Not entirely sure what he meant, 1) the work is very desirable and everyone will want to do it or 2) you're all very busy so it will be a long time before it gets done. Or something else entirely?

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 15:39

JustTryingToBeMe · 06/10/2025 15:35

The reference to “Bonnie blue“ is what makes it sexist and misogynistic. There are far more erudite ways to make your point for example queue is longer than the great Wall of China; the queue is longer than the distance from lands end to John O’Groats; anything is better than such an appalling reference to such an appalling scenario. I’m really, really sorry that you can’t see that on your own and that is why misogynyk is becoming entrenched in the male psyche at the moment. I am too old to be nice to people and too old to put up with this sort of dribble. In the workplace it is completely unacceptable but out with their mates Maybe it’s just about bearable but I would be very disappointed if I found out that a son of mine or my partner thought that that sort of language was acceptable. It just isn’t funny on any level.

Still don’t get you. I see why it may make it inappropriate for work but why is referencing a prostitute sexist or misogynistic?

The answer ‘because she’s a prostitute’ is nonsensical.

JustTryingToBeMe · 06/10/2025 15:35

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 15:28

in what way is saying that a long queue is like a long queue sexual and misogny?

I genuinely want to know as I just can’t see it.

While it wouldn’t bother me I can see how people might think it’s inappropriate to make a reference to something sexual in the work place but no one has explained in what way this comment was discriminatory to women or hateful to them.

The reference to “Bonnie blue“ is what makes it sexist and misogynistic. There are far more erudite ways to make your point for example queue is longer than the great Wall of China; the queue is longer than the distance from lands end to John O’Groats; anything is better than such an appalling reference to such an appalling scenario. I’m really, really sorry that you can’t see that on your own and that is why misogynyk is becoming entrenched in the male psyche at the moment. I am too old to be nice to people and too old to put up with this sort of dribble. In the workplace it is completely unacceptable but out with their mates Maybe it’s just about bearable but I would be very disappointed if I found out that a son of mine or my partner thought that that sort of language was acceptable. It just isn’t funny on any level.

Conniebygaslight · 06/10/2025 15:33

Three male colleagues messaged you privately...why?
Were they too spineless to back you publicly but wanted to cover themselves by messaging you privately to offer their support?
Stuff like this is so bloody sneaky and makes them look as bad IMO. When will men start calling other men out on their behaviours!

Gymrabbit · 06/10/2025 15:30

AnSolas · 06/10/2025 15:25

Why opt for the personal attack?

Why not just answer the question?

Which role he assigned the OP in his simile when asked for the time line for the deliverable?

It’s people like you who give women a bad name and mean that real sexism and misogyny is easily dismissed.

This ^ was you dismissing the comment as within the bounds of professional conduct not sexist nor misogyny.

So which role is the OP assigned in his simile?

The prostitute being abused?

Or abuser engaged in the abuse of the prostitute?

It’s not a personal attack, I’m genuinely confused about your mental health and cognitive ability.