Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

Likely story but either way one of the other reasons getting a Drs appointment is difficult will apply. It's not rocket science.

I was indeed suggesting the threat of SA from unvetted men. You attempted to deflect by saying SA is more likely to be committed by someone the victim knows. Nobody is disputing the stats, but your comment was irrelevant to the topic we were discussing.

And what has skin colour got to do with the price of fish? We are talking about immigrant status not race.

'want to see a tax on assets worth over a certain amount.' So how does that look to you? And how does this change wealth disparity?

In 2024-25, the top one per cent of income tax payers earned 13.3% of total income and paid 28.2% of income tax.

The top ten per cent of income tax payers earned 35.1% of total income in 2024-25 and paid 60.2% of income tax.

But no immigrants in the area I am talking about….

I’m not here to defend Tommy Robinson, but you can’t just accuse someone of crimes that never happened because you don’t like them. He has never been convicted of any offence involving children or indeed for any sexual offences! Making things like that up is just outright defamation.
What do you honestly hope to achieve by lying about someone like that? It doesn’t make your argument stronger, it just proves you don’t have one. This is exactly why people have stopped trusting public debate in this country because too many are more interested in smearing others than in being honest. You don't have to like the man, just don't make things up!

I'd ask them if they realise that Unite the kingdom is being organised by a convicted paedophile who was also convicted of a racial attack which left one mixed race man dead and a black man fighting for his life!

You are the one saying Kirsty was looking over her shoulder maybe I presume SA was what you were discussing based on the arguments I’ve heard. Maybe you just meant she didn’t like being surrounded by people with brown skin?

Communism 😆 please. I’m no economist I’m not an expect in that field but there are plenty who want to see a tax on assets worth over a certain amount. I think that would be a good start…. This has happened before when the filthy rich had morality and decided to give back its how most of the institutions we so dearly love were started/funded.

Chuck it in on Grok and you will get a really good break down of why but one of the reasons is supply and demand. There have been 6.93 million more registered patients since 2015.

I'm not scaremongering at all. I'm highlighting the reality of living in a poorer area or council estate and how the working class are the most affected by illegal immigration.
'Kirsty is more likely to be a victim of SA in her own house' This is total change in subject, it isn't to the topic we are discussing.

'working class are most negatively impacted by wealth disparity in the UK.' That does not mean the working class are not also most affected by illegal immigration. In fact it plays into your argument of wealth disparity!

I think using such a broad term is just an excuse to avoid looking into what causes the disparity. What do you propose is done to close the gap? Because I can guess it sounds a lot like communism.

My friend lives in an area with very little immigration. She told me yesterday that the first GP appointment she can get is early November. Why is that?

Right now you are just scaremongering regarding “looking over her shoulder” in your example Kirsty is more likely to be a victim of SA in her own house, by a member of her own family or a “friend” everything else goes back to my argument that the working class are most negatively impacted by wealth disparity in the UK.

They are the most negatively impacted demographic when it comes to mass illegal immigration because they don't have the wealth to circumnavigate the problems that are caused by it.

Think Dr appointments, depression of wages, greater competition for jobs, school placements, crime. This isn't affecting Quentin who goes to a private school in Mayfair and has private healthcare in the same way it is affecting Kirsty who has to walk to school looking over her shoulder because the council has just landed a bunch of unvetted potentially criminal men in her town, or she has to wait 4 weeks to see a doctor if she is ill, by which point she has landed herself up A&E.

No they’re not, working people are most negatively impact by wealth disparity in the UK and the disparity will continue to force more and more people further down the class system while consistently telling them their situation is because of (insert interchangeable minority or repressed group).

I don’t think I’m superior to anyone, so don’t paint people with your own brush. Just because you think something is or isn’t happening doesn’t make it true. What make something true is figures, facts, data and statistics and that includes both qualitative and quantitative including people’s lived experiences.

This issues you mention are there but they aren’t national issues they are localised not on to particular towns or cities but to localities within towns and cities. Housing may be overcrowded but it isn’t down to migration, it’s doesn’t to land grabs, asset holding and lack building suitable housing for the population groups that require it. Services are stretched due to under funding, mishandling of funds and will probably get worse due to pressures on universities post brexit and the reduction of international students to study medical degrees and the like, engineer courses for example are closing down because of expense. Wages are stuck because of inflation, inflation is high because of the amount of wealth in the UK but that wealth is not being spent and is instead being hoarded which is causing the cost of living to stay high. Again nothing to do with immigration. Taxing Wealth/Assets would fix the majority of issues you mention but it won’t happen because the people who own the wealth own everything and they are pointing the finger at immigrants, next it will probably be because women work, or gay people, or disabled people on benefits.

The working class are those who are most negatively impacted by illegal immigration.

Did you watch the video I suggested?

Who do you mean then? Why don't you mean me. I dont fit your description of native. So who is causing things to "happen" to Luton. Whats happened to Luton in your opinion

You can drop the supercilious tone. That kind of sneering, where anyone who questions what’s happening gets written off as some GB News-watching idiot, is exactly the problem. People can see it with their own eyes. Housing is overcrowded, services are stretched and wages are stuck. The moment someone mentions it, they get treated like they have been brainwashed by the media.

I’m not talking about small boats or repeating headlines. I’m talking about what ordinary people deal with every day. Wealth inequality and mass immigration are not separate problems. They feed each other. The people with money gain from both cheap labour and rising assets while everyone else deals with the pressure. Brushing that off as if it is beneath you does not make it go away. It only shows how out of touch some people have become.

I’m not saying it’s down to the rich but it certainly isn’t down to the 4% of immigrants who come to Britain on a small boat.

Its down to wealth disparity it’s not about what people are being paid it’s about the assets that the wealth own.

The cost to the Government of migration is a drop in the ocean it’s not the big issue or cost that you or people like you, or GB news, or TR are shouting. But they are all shouting it for a reason…. And it isn’t for the general populations benefit.

Stop being obtuse, obviously I didn’t mean you personally. The point is about what’s happened in towns like Luton and how those changes affect everyone. Every debate now turns into “me, me, me.” That obsession with self has wrecked any sense of the collective or community we used to have. Until we think in terms of “we” again, nothing will get better.

You’re just repeating the same line that gets rolled out every time this subject comes up. Of course inequality exists, but that doesn’t make the issue of mass immigration off limits. They’re two separate problems that feed into each other.

It’s not only about money or capitalism. It’s about overcrowded housing, services that can’t cope, and communities changing faster than anyone planned for. It’s also about the labour market being undercut. When you flood a workforce with cheap labour, wages stagnate and the people at the bottom take the hit while business owners pocket the difference. Working people see it every day in their pay packets and job security.

Pretending it’s all down to “the rich” or “the media” is an easy way to dodge a real discussion about population, wages and infrastructure. The truth is that both things matter. The economy needs fixing, but so does the way migration is handled. Shutting people up by shouting “it’s capitalism’s fault” doesn’t solve either problem.

I grew up in Luton and my parents weren't born in the UK. Do you mean me?

You’re being deliberately naive. Anyone who’s lived in areas that have seen the fastest population change knows exactly what I mean. This isn’t about imaginary "danger", it’s about the reality people see around them.
Look at the 2021 Census. In London, Leicester, Luton and Slough, people born in the UK are already less than half the population. That’s not a matter of opinion at all, it’s just what the numbers show. Net migration has gone from tens of thousands a year in the early 1990s to several hundred thousand a year since the late 1990s, peaking at around a million arrivals in 2024. That is a huge shift in one generation and it obviously changes how communities feel and function.
You don’t have to live in one of those cities to understand it, but don’t pretend the change isn’t real or that people are wrong for noticing it. The real issue is how it’s managed and how we keep some sense of shared connection while it’s happening.

These issues for working class people are caused by wealth disparity not by immigration but the people who own the wealth also own the media so what you to be looking a different direction and putting the blame of why your life is hard on other people, people who are easier to blame. Who will it be after the immigrants?

I don’t think they are one to let facts get in the way of their racist beliefs.

Well, there is a difference between feeling something and something actually being true. I donmt doubt that some people feeling shut out and them actually being shut out, and both situations need different remedies. It’s obvious that people can’t really be shut out by 6% of the population. So we need to somehow address the fear.