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Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

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UrticaDioca · 05/10/2025 15:05

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

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GaIadriel · 16/10/2025 23:02

Congo is one of quite few from memory. I believe a special parliamentary group was set up to examine the impact of some European countries historical slavery activities there.

Meanwhile the Republic of Congo is in the top five in term of slavery index.

GaIadriel · 16/10/2025 22:56

JHound · 16/10/2025 21:29

Which ones?

I'm not here to educate you. Google it.

JHound · 16/10/2025 21:29

GaIadriel · 16/10/2025 19:24

African countries have been pretty vocal about reparations.

Which ones?

GaIadriel · 16/10/2025 19:30

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/10/2025 13:32

Why do you say “likely story”? There are plenty of parts of the UK that are overwhelmingly white. We’ve just moved from one, an affluent area on the NW English coast where you very, very rarely saw a brown or black face. Still had to wait weeks for medical appointments.
Another overwhelmingly white area is Herefordshire. You know, the place where that person who famously wants to live in a multicultural, integrated society, Honest Bob Jenrick, chooses to live (in one of his houses). In his particular village, 165 of the 166 residents at the last census were white.
Finny place to choose to live for someone who claims he doesn’t want to bring his children up in an ethnic ghetto.

I don't claim to know the answer but could it be the case that the increase in patients has vastly outpaced the number of doctors in the country, so there are just less doctors to go around?

Some areas may not have changed much in population size/demographic but the areas that have are maybe sucking up all the resource.

GaIadriel · 16/10/2025 19:24

JHound · 14/10/2025 23:00

The main groups calling for reparations are Caribbean countries and groups in the USA.

Which countries in that region are the “worst offenders of modern slavery”?

African countries have been pretty vocal about reparations.

Grammarnut · 16/10/2025 18:41

CurlewKate · 16/10/2025 17:40

Because the men are taking all the risk in the hope of being able to provide a home for the women and children? Would you put your children in a small boat?

I wouldn't put myself in a small, overfull boat to cross the Channel, so no, of course not. But that's a bit beside the point, because some men do bring wives and children (and some of them die). Are a few reckless of the safety of their children, hoping all to get to the UK at the same time, and the rest more careful?

CurlewKate · 16/10/2025 17:40

Grammarnut · 16/10/2025 17:25

Presumably because they come from coutries in the throws of civil war or are dissidents in some way - that does not stop them being economic migrants. Where are the women and children, too? There seem very few.

Because the men are taking all the risk in the hope of being able to provide a home for the women and children? Would you put your children in a small boat?

Grammarnut · 16/10/2025 17:25

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/10/2025 13:34

Why are so many granted asylum, if that’s the case?

Presumably because they come from coutries in the throws of civil war or are dissidents in some way - that does not stop them being economic migrants. Where are the women and children, too? There seem very few.

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/10/2025 13:34

Grammarnut · 10/10/2025 19:26

But most of the people - young men, mainly - entering illegally in small boats are not asylum seekers, they are economic migrants.

Why are so many granted asylum, if that’s the case?

MrsSkylerWhite · 16/10/2025 13:32

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 09/10/2025 14:18

Likely story but either way one of the other reasons getting a Drs appointment is difficult will apply. It's not rocket science.

Why do you say “likely story”? There are plenty of parts of the UK that are overwhelmingly white. We’ve just moved from one, an affluent area on the NW English coast where you very, very rarely saw a brown or black face. Still had to wait weeks for medical appointments.
Another overwhelmingly white area is Herefordshire. You know, the place where that person who famously wants to live in a multicultural, integrated society, Honest Bob Jenrick, chooses to live (in one of his houses). In his particular village, 165 of the 166 residents at the last census were white.
Finny place to choose to live for someone who claims he doesn’t want to bring his children up in an ethnic ghetto.

JHound · 14/10/2025 23:00

GaIadriel · 14/10/2025 20:28

The countries that would get reparations are largely the worst offenders of modern slavery. Would they pass on the reparations to their slaves? 🤔

There's only one majority-white country in the top ten and it's in tenth position - Russia, so no western countries in the top ten at all.

The main groups calling for reparations are Caribbean countries and groups in the USA.

Which countries in that region are the “worst offenders of modern slavery”?

GaIadriel · 14/10/2025 20:28

The countries that would get reparations are largely the worst offenders of modern slavery. Would they pass on the reparations to their slaves? 🤔

There's only one majority-white country in the top ten and it's in tenth position - Russia, so no western countries in the top ten at all.

Grammarnut · 14/10/2025 16:50

JHound · 14/10/2025 15:07

Re reparations for slavery, you seem to not understand that no-one now living is responsible for any slavery unless they are currently involved in it, in e.g. the continent of Africa (c.9M slaves of various sorts e.g. slaves, forced marriage, child soldiers, child workers in colbalt mines etc.) in India (debt slaves) etc. No living person owes anyone, whoever they are descended from, reparations for slavery - and who gets paid?

What does this ^^ have to do with my post? (And to be clear systems of slavery, people being held in various systems of slavery exist on every single country on the planet - it's not just India and 'the continent of Africa' (the entire continent - named countries are beyond you). Trafficking remains a global problem).

My comment on reparations had nothing to do with suggesting there are people currently alive who bear responsibility for the TAST. If you read without emotion then you won't feel the need to assign words not said.

I do however repeat you are obtaining your information from social media. Your belief that it's a common mainstream view that the British were the first slave traders, that CRT lead to some extremists celebrating to the October 7 examples are all theories posited by extremists on social media. Not true of any mainstream opinion.

The UK constitution has, since 1215, mandated that no-one should be deprived of legally owned property. In 1833 the UK government borrowed £20M to buy the slaves mostly from West Indian plantations in order to free them (they remained bond servants until 1838 mainly for economic reasons). The slaves were owned by the banks who had funded their purchase in the first place, under a regime that made slave owning legal (we may not like that, but that was the legal situation in the W. Indies, though not the UK). Not to pay the banks the money owed by plantation owners would have caused possibly world recession (20M was one-fifth of the UK's GDP in the 1830s) and certainly bankruptcy in the West Indies, which meant there would be no work for the freed slaves or anyone else.
It was not 'compensation' it was staving off recession by paying for legally purchased property - it sticks in our craw (and probably the craw of the British at the time) but it had to be done. The UK repaid the (rolled-over) loan c. 2015.
I have answered your 'oh, look around' point in another post but it irked me that you acccused me (a historian with several degrees) of getting information from social media, so I have bothered to refute you.

I am well aware of how the abolitionist movement and Britain's staged ending of it's involvement in chattel slavery (although not slavery itself, indentured servitude, a system of slavery, continued for quite some time) but it's laughable to claim it was not compensation. It was literally in the name with the intention to compensate slave owners for their loss of "property" (humans). And your point about "under a regime that made slave owning legal (we may not like that, but that was the legal situation in the W. Indies, though not the UK)" is asinine. Islands such as Barbados, Jamaica etc. were not independent nation states. They were British territories. To claim some form of moral superiority in that mainland Britain did not allow slavery is moot. None of the British owned plantations were in mainland Britain. The British owned Caribbean islands permitted slavery because Britain permitted them too. Your argument makes no sense. I really don't believe you are a historian with 'several degrees'. Not based on the above.

Barbados etc were British territories but they had their own laws, not necessarily the same as UK law since they were free to do that. UK law contains no laws either allowing or disallowing slavery since it hasn't existed in England at least (Scotland had types of indentured work which were most definitely slavery e.g. miners and crofters) since the 12th century.
The UK bought the West Indian slaves because a) whether we like it or not in Barbados etc they were legally property and b) to prevent bankruptcy i.e. runs on banks, banks without funds etc which would have triggered recession.
I don't like that people can be property in some places but legal property under English law cannot be seized unless it is the procedes of crime, so payment had to be made since the ownership of slaves was not a crime. As for modern slavery, Mauritania was slaving into the 80s; Benin aka the slave coast still slaves - those lovely Benin bronzes were made with the profits of slavery both via the Triangular Trade and the Arab trade to the North, also to Zanzibar which meant shipment across the Indian ocean etc. which was not stopped till the 1880s by the British who acquired Zanzibar for that purpose.
I don't read social media on this lot and I am happy if no-one thinks the British started the Triangular Trade (it appears to have been the Portuguese). Slavery is endemic to all societies and very few have decided it was an evil, one of those societies was Britain, which at least did something about it - some might call forcing the end of slaving colonialism, I would call it humanitarian.
Oppressor/oppressed narratives seem to have played into the endorsement of Hamas' atrocities on Oct 7th. I agree with you that they were atrocities and that lauding them was wrong.

JHound · 14/10/2025 15:07

Grammarnut · 07/10/2025 09:30

MN is the only social media I go on, in fact, and mainly the feminist boards. I follow a couple of education blogs (I support SSP and explicit teaching having seen the damage the altrnative brings) and several GR feminists e.g. Milli Hill, Helen Joyce. That's it. Probably no more social media than you.
Re reparations for slavery, you seem to not understand that no-one now living is responsible for any slavery unless they are currently involved in it, in e.g. the continent of Africa (c.9M slaves of various sorts e.g. slaves, forced marriage, child soldiers, child workers in colbalt mines etc.) in India (debt slaves) etc. No living person owes anyone, whoever they are descended from, reparations for slavery - and who gets paid? Ancient Sumeria, Egypt, Greece, Rome, Turkey...slaved, so did the Vikings, the Saxons, the Arabs. Slavery has existed for millenia and until c.1750 was considered normal, though unfortunate for slaves (and there were charities in many European countries dedicated to raising ransoms to pay the Barbary Pirates for enslaved Europeans). A handful of people during those thousands of years stood up and said slavery was wrong - the brave - but not until Europe in the eighteenth century (where slavery had been outlawed between the 11th and 13th centuries) began to have anti-slavery campaigns did anyone manage to do anything about ending the scourge upon humanity: one which still continues.
The UK constitution has, since 1215, mandated that no-one should be deprived of legally owned property. In 1833 the UK government borrowed £20M to buy the slaves mostly from West Indian plantations in order to free them (they remained bond servants until 1838 mainly for economic reasons). The slaves were owned by the banks who had funded their purchase in the first place, under a regime that made slave owning legal (we may not like that, but that was the legal situation in the W. Indies, though not the UK). Not to pay the banks the money owed by plantation owners would have caused possibly world recession (20M was one-fifth of the UK's GDP in the 1830s) and certainly bankruptcy in the West Indies, which meant there would be no work for the freed slaves or anyone else.
It was not 'compensation' it was staving off recession by paying for legally purchased property - it sticks in our craw (and probably the craw of the British at the time) but it had to be done. The UK repaid the (rolled-over) loan c. 2015.
I have answered your 'oh, look around' point in another post but it irked me that you acccused me (a historian with several degrees) of getting information from social media, so I have bothered to refute you.

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Re reparations for slavery, you seem to not understand that no-one now living is responsible for any slavery unless they are currently involved in it, in e.g. the continent of Africa (c.9M slaves of various sorts e.g. slaves, forced marriage, child soldiers, child workers in colbalt mines etc.) in India (debt slaves) etc. No living person owes anyone, whoever they are descended from, reparations for slavery - and who gets paid?

What does this ^^ have to do with my post? (And to be clear systems of slavery, people being held in various systems of slavery exist on every single country on the planet - it's not just India and 'the continent of Africa' (the entire continent - named countries are beyond you). Trafficking remains a global problem).

My comment on reparations had nothing to do with suggesting there are people currently alive who bear responsibility for the TAST. If you read without emotion then you won't feel the need to assign words not said.

I do however repeat you are obtaining your information from social media. Your belief that it's a common mainstream view that the British were the first slave traders, that CRT lead to some extremists celebrating to the October 7 examples are all theories posited by extremists on social media. Not true of any mainstream opinion.

The UK constitution has, since 1215, mandated that no-one should be deprived of legally owned property. In 1833 the UK government borrowed £20M to buy the slaves mostly from West Indian plantations in order to free them (they remained bond servants until 1838 mainly for economic reasons). The slaves were owned by the banks who had funded their purchase in the first place, under a regime that made slave owning legal (we may not like that, but that was the legal situation in the W. Indies, though not the UK). Not to pay the banks the money owed by plantation owners would have caused possibly world recession (20M was one-fifth of the UK's GDP in the 1830s) and certainly bankruptcy in the West Indies, which meant there would be no work for the freed slaves or anyone else.
It was not 'compensation' it was staving off recession by paying for legally purchased property - it sticks in our craw (and probably the craw of the British at the time) but it had to be done. The UK repaid the (rolled-over) loan c. 2015.
I have answered your 'oh, look around' point in another post but it irked me that you acccused me (a historian with several degrees) of getting information from social media, so I have bothered to refute you.

I am well aware of how the abolitionist movement and Britain's staged ending of it's involvement in chattel slavery (although not slavery itself, indentured servitude, a system of slavery, continued for quite some time) but it's laughable to claim it was not compensation. It was literally in the name with the intention to compensate slave owners for their loss of "property" (humans). And your point about "under a regime that made slave owning legal (we may not like that, but that was the legal situation in the W. Indies, though not the UK)" is asinine. Islands such as Barbados, Jamaica etc. were not independent nation states. They were British territories. To claim some form of moral superiority in that mainland Britain did not allow slavery is moot. None of the British owned plantations were in mainland Britain. The British owned Caribbean islands permitted slavery because Britain permitted them too. Your argument makes no sense. I really don't believe you are a historian with 'several degrees'. Not based on the above.

JHound · 14/10/2025 14:53

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 23:57

I am looking at CRT, which posits both white fragility and white supremacy as elements of white racism. CRT uses the oppressed/oppressor narrative which purveys victimhood on all the global majority, whilst reserving guilt and opprobrium for Europeans and European culture. This worldview led to many on Oct 8th 2023 to praise and vindicate Hamas' actions in southern Israel as an act of rebellion against colonization - notwithstanding the Jews living in Israel for the most part are indigenous (several hundred thousand having taken refuge in the new state when expelled by the Moslem countries in which they had lived for hundreds of years).

That rape, murder of children and infants and the killing of the innocent were applauded by many in the West is appalling - and shows total historical ignorance.

CRT is simply teaching history. Without hiding it's worse elements. Social media has advanced the notion that CRT is: "CRT uses the oppressed/oppressor narrative which purveys victimhood on all the global majority, whilst reserving guilt and opprobrium for Europeans and European culture." but that's wholly inaccurate. And to be clear while there has been widespread panic about CRT in elements of CRT it's not actually taught very widely at all.

That some applauded, rape and murder post the October 7 attacks has nothing to do with CRT.

RAplusOne · 14/10/2025 13:32

AngelicKaty · 10/10/2025 22:45

@Grammarnut "From the point of view of people who find their local hotel has turned into an asylum dormitory I think the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants is semantic."
"Semantic"? Jesus, so, not only did you decide to double-down on your ignorance about international and UK immigration law, but also to reveal your absolute lack of compassion for people whose lives have been destroyed in their homeland leaving them terrorised, terrified and in danger. OK then. 🙄

whatever your personal feelings and levels of compassion are the law is still the law. Having your home destroyed in a war does NOT entitle you to asylum. War is unfortunately very common in our world. Always has been. Legally you need to have a well founded demonstrable fear of persecution in necessitating you to flee your country. Same for "terrorised, terrified and in danger". This could equate to white girls in Bradford, off duty Police Officers in Belfast or Jews in Manchester. If you were to look at Syria (main origin for the hotel guests) for example there are safe regions there that are autonomous from the regime.

Umidontknow · 12/10/2025 14:05

So "standard white bloke" to you is fat and bald is it?

andthat · 12/10/2025 10:31

UrticaDioca · 09/10/2025 19:59

I am surprised that 50% of people think it's unreasonable to be dismayed by a Tommy Robinson sloganed flag.

Me too. It’s utterly depressing.

Timeforabitofpeace · 12/10/2025 10:27

Well if you “don’t believe everything you read about Tommy Robinson “, you could still believe the courts. The man is an utterly hideous thug and criminal.

Grammarnut · 11/10/2025 21:08

AngelicKaty · 10/10/2025 22:45

@Grammarnut "From the point of view of people who find their local hotel has turned into an asylum dormitory I think the difference between asylum seekers and economic migrants is semantic."
"Semantic"? Jesus, so, not only did you decide to double-down on your ignorance about international and UK immigration law, but also to reveal your absolute lack of compassion for people whose lives have been destroyed in their homeland leaving them terrorised, terrified and in danger. OK then. 🙄

No I did not double down. I am aware of international law. The point I am making is that the law etc make not a blind bit of difference to people finding themselves with large numbers of illegal/semi-legal migrants in their midst who do not understand the culture they have been introduced to.
It's not semantic even when it is.

ArtesianWater · 11/10/2025 13:35

SheSmellsSeaShells · 05/10/2025 15:14

I would interpret Unite the Kingdom as anti racist and in opposition to the St George flag epidemic.

That was my first thought as well.

MidnightPatrol · 11/10/2025 13:19

DangerousAlchemy · 11/10/2025 13:16

True but a quick Google before you posted would have answered your question 🤷‍♀️

If someone’s going to write a thread about something being deeply offensive to them, actually articulating why rather than being vague is far more helpful for readers.

DangerousAlchemy · 11/10/2025 13:16

MidnightPatrol · 11/10/2025 08:43

Hadn’t heard it before this thread, and haven’t heard it since!

Awareness of this phrase not as commonplace as you might think.

True but a quick Google before you posted would have answered your question 🤷‍♀️

MidnightPatrol · 11/10/2025 08:43

Sheridanbucket · 11/10/2025 08:34

Oh come on!

Hadn’t heard it before this thread, and haven’t heard it since!

Awareness of this phrase not as commonplace as you might think.

Sheridanbucket · 11/10/2025 08:34

MidnightPatrol · 05/10/2025 15:13

What’s the offence with ‘unite the kingdom’ written on a Union Jack?

Oh come on!

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