Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

it was said that a majority supported reform

that’s not true. looks pretty neck and neck in terms of county wide support

the polls in terms of an election would be more difficult to untangle as reform have pockets of crazily strong support and many constituencies where they won’t get a look in. Add in “anything but reform “ which i suspect IS a strong majority and the outcome of an election would be hard to call so i don’t see reform getting a majority of seats either

the use of the term majority with reform is being used by some people deliberately incorrectly to try and influence people to think that they have more support than they really do as that would make them more palatable to others

Just for transparency, I'm not a Reform voter. I just find it incredibly frustrating that many of the people who whinge the most are entirely blind to the fact that it's people like them that are driving this pushback.

If you tell people that the clearly male fighter cracking women's skulls in mma (yes, a true story) is actually a woman....they're gonna say GTFO of here.

Same if we see unprecedented sexual assaults that are commonplace in the ME and people tell us "oh, don't be a racist, these poor men are just victims of the non-existent war in Eritrea. You'd do the same".

No, we really wouldn't do the same. And neither are Ukrainian refugees doing the same. It's likely going to get a lot worse before it gets better and innocent ethnic minorities will end up suffering through association because nobody is prepared to say a word about the wronguns. And the same idiots fuelling this pushback will be the ones complaining the loudest.

So they're not leading the polls?

Are you living under a rock?

It’s disgusting, OP.

The majority of the country does not support reform - where on earth did you get that notion from ?

the last polls suggests 25% support reform
that’s not a majority - it’s a quarter and you need to have at least half supporting them to say majority

I think you're creating a fictional boogeyman.

The majority of the country now supports Reform. That's a LOT more people than the idiots out there protesting.

Also, you seem to be more focused on the people protesting about immigrants than the issues that actually started the protests. How many women have the 'flaggers' publicly abused?

And you've still not answered my question about how it can ever be a good idea to import even more violent men, which is inevitable when you have completely unvetted men arriving from extremely misognistic cultures. In fact you've not really addressed any of my points. It's all just vacuous virtue signalling with no real depth and regurgitating all the stuff we've heard a million times before ("but what about white rapists?").

Maybe next time somebody mentions the "two women a week" you can shut them down by mentioning that at least ten women a day are killed in Mexico. Not like that'd be whataboutery, right?

I bet you've never even been near a migrant hotel full of young men. I live in the borough with the highest number of HMOs. The hotel literally next door to my workplace is a migrant hotel (owned by the same woman who owns the land our workplace is on). As above, I also attend a site right next to another hotel where the residents (mostly ethnic) are up in arms.

I'm sure some are fine but the groups of men I see daily seem threatening and have committed documented harassment to my female colleagues over many months. This is what you're advocating for.

I'm just baffled how the same people that wang on endlessly about women's rights completely defer to misogynistic men as long as there's a woke bingo card in there (hate that term but it's apt).

Men represent a threat but it's OK for them to follow the girls gymnastics team into the shower as long as they have an edgy identity and a ladypenis - after all they've non-surgically changed sex and are now real women.

It's fine to talk about the 'two women a week' but we shan't talk about the '1200 in one evening' if the perpetrators aren't white, even if this behaviour is well documented in their home countries.

Do the people blindly defending these men not realise that they wouldn't get anything remotely resembling equality if they were in charge?

It's not about racism. Nobody has an issue with Sikhs or Hindus. Sikhs are usually well respected pillars of the community and in my four years working for a Mr Singh I've never been treated better by an employer. I was genuinely treated like family.

The issue is that the usual logic is inexplicably left by the wayside in this specific area and condoning endemic male violence is apparently seen as a lesser evil than challenging a different demographic for their sexual violence. We always hear that "not all men are like that" (NAMALT) but that "too many are"/"we can't tell the good from the bad" etc. We also hear that "if you're not part of the solution you're part of the problem". That if innocent men don't want to be demonised they need to stamp out the misogyny in their own demographic.

Why are these pillars of modern feminist thought suddenly abandoned in favour of deferring to misogynistic men soon as the perpetrator is not a straight white male?

Quite apart from the question of how on earth littering the streets with poorly erected flags is any kind of an an answer to any of this ….

I don’t see why it’s not relevant. The first and only time these people give a shit about the safety of women and girls, it’s this …. Curious.

His house. His business. I never hang flags, but I can’t get stressed about what others do. 🙄

Well, it's a complete strawman/whataboutist argument. That's why.

Individual reprobates committing sex crimes isn't the same as hundreds of men doing it together in public. The latter shows it to be a cultural event.

Say what you like but I'm 100% certain you would not want to Iive in Iran or Afghanistan.

Also, people like you always conveniently ignore the points you don't want to address. I've mentioned documented rape culture in the ME going back decades with examples. I've mentioned an event which echoes the sex crimes seen in the ME and which represents an occurrence never before seen in modern day Europe outside of wartimes. I've also mentioned statistics from the Sky News' investigation.

You've not addressed any of the above. What about the Channel 4 survey where over half of UK Muslims stated that homosexuality should be illegal? Would've thought this stuff would've been more pressing than minutiae like manspreading on the train and people daring to say women don't have dicks lol.

I daresay the answer is white feminism. The phrase at which the overwhelming majority of middle class feminists confirm that they have no intention of checking their own privilege. Only everyone else's.

We accept, as a known fact, that after an England football match, domestic violence goes up. I doubt that’s Muslims and I’d also hazard a guess there’s at least some overlap with flaggers. Not so fussed about women getting beaten or raped if it happens in their own house at the hands of their white husbands, are they?

I meant overall. White european men assault, rape, and murder women every single day, and I’ve never heard a flagger with a problem about that.

And that if you were in a country destroyed by war or famine you'd try to get to somewhere safe too.

I probably wouldn't rape the civilians whose taxes were paying for my asylum.

I mean, why aren't Ukrainian refugees going on rape sprees?

Also, why add even more dangerous men if it's already such an issue? Men from countries that literally won't let women out the house and flog/stone them to death for things we wouldn't think twice about.

When Sky News did a fact check on Farage's claims they proudly announced that Afghan men were in fact 'only' 3x more likely to be convicted of a sex crime. It boggles my mind that people like you defend this type of culture when it's quite apparent it's been well entrenched for decades in their respective countries - read about Lara Logan and the many other western journalists that have been gang raped in public while reporting in the ME.

Nobody cares about skin colour or religion. It's the fact that certain demographics think it's OK to rape women who aren't obedient to men. We don't want that here.

OK, give me just one recent example where 1200 European women have been sexually assaulted in public by western men. Even an example where 600 were assaulted.

If 1200 European women had been sexually assaulted in one night by straight white males they'd have been up in arms

they probably are, you know. And yet these flaggers never seem to be too worried about the violence against women and girls perpetrated by their own demographic, do they?

When the country finally goes to shit these same people will be angrily proclaiming that the rich need to be taxed to bail everyone out. Well, actually, they're already doing it.

What you'll never see is them acknowledging that this is an issue which we actually have influence over as a country. I have a Polish workmate and she can't believe the state of this country. In Poland, legally resident foreigners only make up 5% of the population. However, critically their humanitarian migrants are a net asset rather than loss.

If we look at Ukrainian migrants they contributed over 5x more in taxes paid than they received in public benefits and social aid last year. 75% of working age Ukrainians are employed and the figure is around 90% for those that arrived before the war. By contrast, I don't think we even have a 30% employment rate for humanitarian migrants and are spending a lot of money on them while they continue to be massively overrepresented in crime stats. And I'd question how much tax is even paid by those working given that every hand car wash or Turkish barber I've ever been in wanted paid in cash.

I'd wager this is at least part of it. I don't believe it's 'because Ukrainians have light skin' like we always hear from the hard left. Even ethnic brits are sick of it. There's been an ongoing petition to close down the migrant hotel next to one of our worksites. It's led by the Pakistani/Sikh shopkeepers who are losing business by people avoiding that street. The main contractor have also had to stop sending female engineers due to sexual harassment/fears for their safety as the site entrance is right by the steps where the men sit all day smoking.

Is your snobbery here on show for any reason? Or just for sneering and to let us know you are unpleasant?

I'm pretty sure it is.

What seems to stoke the flames is that the people most offended by the flag are also often the types who look the other way and bury their collective heads in the sand when we see things like middle eastern rape culture raising its ugly head in this country.

If 1200 European women had been sexually assaulted in one night by straight white males they'd have been up in arms. But even mentioning this is often deemed 'racist'.

Yeah if you ain’t not speaking English gooder then your not English and shud go back to yore country.

I was born in the UK. My parents and all my grandparents were born in the UK. I love colourful bunting every time it's strung over our roads. We have different bunting for each celebration.
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I also know what flags on lampposts mean. It's not cute, it's not cheery. It's dogs' piss. Marking territory on lampposts.

Use of 'are' rather than 'our' makes me assume this is goady rather than genuine. Amusing if not, of course.

"A flag can't be racist" yes obviously true but there's more to it than that. Stone Island clothing wasn't created as a symbol of violence, but if I see some half cut geezer wearing Stone Island looking at me sideways, I know better than to engage. It's like the people who ask me (as I have a Pakistani name), why is the P word offensive as it's just short for Pakistani, or why is swastika offensive, it's just an ancient Hindu symbol. If those words and symbols were mainly used for those purposes then they wouldn't be.

Flags during sports events, on jubilees and other national celebrations, at state events etc were normal when I was growing up. Never bothered me, had an England flag during football tournaments as a kid, and my children had flags for Queen's jubilee. Random people in America with a US flag waving somewhere in their front yard, never bothered me as it's part of the culture.

But if my next door neighbour here started flying a flag randomly and putting it on lampposts and painting it on zebra crossings - I know from his other conversations that his motivation isn't just positive national pride and what the flag represents changes with how it's used. (He hasn't actually done this but supports it).

And yet we get on ok day to day, he's like "nothing against you mate, you're alright it's the others" and he'd be the first one to help me out if I need something, as people now seem to have almost infinite capacity to separate their actual interactions with real people from their prejudices about whole groups.

There is nothing inherently racist about a flag, but it can become representative of something if used often enough for it.

I am sorry but we fly are flag with pride in our country. If this offends you and you don't feel part of this country then it's a you problem