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Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

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UrticaDioca · 05/10/2025 15:05

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

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CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 13:14

JHound · 06/10/2025 12:49

This is an update! I always used to see it written as “Libtard”

I know. I can’t decide whether it’s typo, illiteracy or neologism….

CrystalShoe · 06/10/2025 13:13

PrawnPringles · 06/10/2025 12:03

We’ve had a few and any on public property I’ve taken down if I am able to. You can’t do anything about people displaying things on their own property except question their taste.

I got a flags of all nations bunting and have decorated our porch with it. It doesn’t look amazing but I’ve made my point 🤣

Brilliant!

CrystalShoe · 06/10/2025 13:11

We need a new flag for all the non-hating, we're-all-humans-together people. Something with a white dove, indicating peace? Something that's a collage of the rainbow/Israel/Palestine/Union Jack flags? Oh, I know - a white dove in the centre and all those flags round the outside.

thepariscrimefiles · 06/10/2025 13:09

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 11:37

Primarily I think he is known for exposing the grooming gangs and being ignored by the authorities for 20 years but that's another topic.

It's not for you tell people what rallies they can attend. Nor can you assume their reasons. Most people attend these protests because they don't agree with mass illegal immigration, that does not mean they are racist people. How do you explain the black and brown attendees?

He was found guilty contempt of court due to interfering with the trial of a sexual grooming gang. He's just a rabble rouser and trouble maker. He couldn't give a fuck about the victims.

Shakeoffyourchains · 06/10/2025 12:59

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 10:00

That's not technically true. Most sensible adults have the emotional intellect to be able to separate a person from aspects of their beliefs.

I'm certain vegetarians would have a lot in common with Hitler's dietary choices, it doesn't mean they agree with the holocaust.

You know Hitler wasn’t actually a vegetarian, right?
That was a myth pushed by Goebbels to portray him as disciplined and ascetic.

But well done for showing just how effective propaganda can be and how stubbornly it sticks once it takes hold.

I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.

JHound · 06/10/2025 12:49

CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 12:20

I’ve just been called a “limptard” on our local FB group!

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This is an update! I always used to see it written as “Libtard”

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/10/2025 12:35

TheRealCrispConspiracy · 06/10/2025 11:18

Is tommy Robinson known for anything apart from racism, xenophobia and islamophobia? Is he a big climate change activist? Animal rights supporter? Is he campaigning for better welfare support? Anti abortion?

As far as I know everything he stands for and talks about is covered by racism, xenophobia and islamophobia. (Except maybe during the period when he had converted to islam)..if you don't support racist, xenophobic or islamophobic views then don't attend his rallies. I'm sure you can find a more relevant rally than that.

Hes well known for trying to get paedophiles off the hook and slightly less well known for being good friends with men to commit VAWG.

But mostly he's known for being a drug addled, criminal, racist grifter who got himself an Irish passport and moved to Spain after Brexit. Patriotic, my arse.🙄

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/10/2025 12:30

Lol at all the posters claiming it's patriotic and cheerful, but dont fly one from their property.😆

Of course they don't as they dont want to out themselves as racist to their friends and neighbours IRL.🙈

CrystalShoe · 06/10/2025 12:24

CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 12:20

I’ve just been called a “limptard” on our local FB group!

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What's that?? Is it similar to a leotard?

CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 12:20

I’ve just been called a “limptard” on our local FB group!

CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 12:19

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 12:04

I really don't know what is so difficult for people to grasp. There is nothing inherently racist about flying a flag, but it is quite obviously racist when you're flying that flag in response to a racist dog whistle.

Yes. And as Billy Bragg said-if you’re flying a flag for reasons that aren’t racist, like the Rugby, for example, you don’t have to reassure people that you’re not racist!

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 12:04

CrystalShoe · 06/10/2025 12:00

They don't fly it with the words Unite the Kingdom, that's the difference. Unite the Kingdom, although it sounds nice, is TOMMY ROBINSON's campaign. It's not a fluffy let's-all-band-together statement. It's a far-right statement, from the horse's mouth. And it's dressed up in a message of togetherness so that many people won't really get what it's about. They'll just think "Yeah, stop the small boats" and put up the flag, which might be exactly what OP's neighbours have done.

I really don't know what is so difficult for people to grasp. There is nothing inherently racist about flying a flag, but it is quite obviously racist when you're flying that flag in response to a racist dog whistle.

PrawnPringles · 06/10/2025 12:03

We’ve had a few and any on public property I’ve taken down if I am able to. You can’t do anything about people displaying things on their own property except question their taste.

I got a flags of all nations bunting and have decorated our porch with it. It doesn’t look amazing but I’ve made my point 🤣

CrystalShoe · 06/10/2025 12:00

Whistledown2 · 05/10/2025 16:06

@OswaldCobblepotoh yes I am, I forgot to say Windsor Castle also fly the Union flag, forgive me for forgetting that!

They don't fly it with the words Unite the Kingdom, that's the difference. Unite the Kingdom, although it sounds nice, is TOMMY ROBINSON's campaign. It's not a fluffy let's-all-band-together statement. It's a far-right statement, from the horse's mouth. And it's dressed up in a message of togetherness so that many people won't really get what it's about. They'll just think "Yeah, stop the small boats" and put up the flag, which might be exactly what OP's neighbours have done.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 11:56

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 11:02

Just because you didn't understand the analogy...

Bless. I understood what you were attempting to do, I just thought it was a rather pathetic attempt to draw a false equivalence between things that are clearly not equivalent.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 11:52

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 11:35

You make a good point with which I somewhat agree. I too would never go on a pro-Palestinian march. I wouldn't go on a Unite the Kingdom march either. But I did see several interviews with people on the UtheK march who distanced themselves from racism - some of them were immigrants, which tells another story.
There is no way we have of protesting that things are done in our name that we thoroughly disagree with and know to be wrong. What to do?

I guess this is where we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think you can distance yourself from racism if you choose to go on a march that has been organised by a notorious racist. By being there, you are effectively condoning it.

Perhaps it's also worth adding here that being an immigrant doesn't necessarily make you immune from racism.

TheRealCrispConspiracy · 06/10/2025 11:46

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 11:37

Primarily I think he is known for exposing the grooming gangs and being ignored by the authorities for 20 years but that's another topic.

It's not for you tell people what rallies they can attend. Nor can you assume their reasons. Most people attend these protests because they don't agree with mass illegal immigration, that does not mean they are racist people. How do you explain the black and brown attendees?

It's not for you to tell me what assumptions I can make about other people. If you support tommy Robinson a lot of people will think you are racist. If you care about being called racist then don't support tommy Robinson or attend his rallies.

Also, tommy Robinson did not expose the grooming gangs. Do people really believe that? He just exploited the grooming scandal to further his racist views.

Black and brown people can be racist, xenophobic and islamophobic. And ignorant.

Shakeoffyourchains · 06/10/2025 11:41

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 11:27

They are a bunch of patriots, though. Fed up patriots being told their country, history, culture, way of life etc is evil, wicked and should be de-colonised and trashed. I don't blame them TBH.

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Some of the men behind those campaigns are:

Tommy Robinson, who has convictions for fraud, illegally entering a country on false documents, harassment, stalking, abh, and possession with intent to supply (and doesn't even live in the UK)

Andy Currie, who was jailed for his part in a racist fight that lead to a death in 2009.

Lee Twamley, who served time for being part of an illegal immigration operation in 2016 (I am not joking).

Guramit Singh, who was jailed for tying up a shop assistant and threatened to slash his throat in an attempted robbery.

And Paul Golding, leader of Britain First and self proclaimed fascist with several hate crime convictions.

What a proud bunch of patriots, I wonder what it is about them that you like so much? 🤔

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 11:40

thepariscrimefiles · 06/10/2025 11:25

But you are basically saying that some people would have attended Nazi rallies led by Adolph Hitler because they agreed with his vegetarianism but not the demonisation of the Jews, but that they could just brush past the anti-Jewish stuff. It's patently absurd.

I haven't said that at all. You've literally made up a story in your head.

I said a person can agree with certain aspects of a someone's belief system whilst disagreeing with other aspects.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 11:37

TheRealCrispConspiracy · 06/10/2025 11:18

Is tommy Robinson known for anything apart from racism, xenophobia and islamophobia? Is he a big climate change activist? Animal rights supporter? Is he campaigning for better welfare support? Anti abortion?

As far as I know everything he stands for and talks about is covered by racism, xenophobia and islamophobia. (Except maybe during the period when he had converted to islam)..if you don't support racist, xenophobic or islamophobic views then don't attend his rallies. I'm sure you can find a more relevant rally than that.

Primarily I think he is known for exposing the grooming gangs and being ignored by the authorities for 20 years but that's another topic.

It's not for you tell people what rallies they can attend. Nor can you assume their reasons. Most people attend these protests because they don't agree with mass illegal immigration, that does not mean they are racist people. How do you explain the black and brown attendees?

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 11:35

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 05/10/2025 23:25

It's interesting that you should mention the horrific attacks on Israel on October 7th two years ago. I have grave concerns about the Israeli government's actions in Gaza and about our own government's response to those actions. However, I would never go on one of the pro Palestine marches because it is very clear that some of the people on those marches have been using them as a vehicle for the expression of their antisemitic hate. I recognise that aligning myself with those people, and marching alongside them, might suggest that I was condoning the antisemitism, and I am categorically not willing to do that. Because it is wrong.

If people choose to march alongside racists, they are effectively choosing to condone racism. And as far as I'm concerned, that makes them part of the problem.

You make a good point with which I somewhat agree. I too would never go on a pro-Palestinian march. I wouldn't go on a Unite the Kingdom march either. But I did see several interviews with people on the UtheK march who distanced themselves from racism - some of them were immigrants, which tells another story.
There is no way we have of protesting that things are done in our name that we thoroughly disagree with and know to be wrong. What to do?

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 11:30

AngelicKaty · 06/10/2025 10:58

It's not more nuanced than that and your false comparison of Hitler's vegetarianism is utterly laughable. (Had Hitler organised a vegetarian rally, it may well have been attended by vegetarian Nazis, but the irony of a man being opposed to the killing of animals, whilst directing the slaughter of millions of fellow human beings, would not be lost on those who saw him for what he was - a vicious, violent, immoral, insane racist.)
And @CurlewKate 's comment "Loads of people are concerned about immigration. That does not make you a racist. Allying yourself with racists does though." couldn't be clearer, and the fact that you disingenuously pretend not to understand it is very telling. Many UK citizens are very concerned about uncontrolled immigration, but we wouldn't dream of attending a rally organised by the violent, racist thug, Tommy Ten Names. All those people who attended his rally, but claim not to be racist, could have organised their own rally. Why didn't they? Why on earth would they attend a rally organised by a racist if they aren't? Why would they want to be associated with such a racist? The old adage applies: "If you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas." Now they're going to have to own their racism, whether they like it or not. Too bad.

'a man being opposed to the killing of animals, whilst directing the slaughter of millions of fellow human beings, would not be lost on those who saw him for what he was - a vicious, violent, immoral, insane racist.)'

Agreed! That doesn't mean a vegetarian would not agree with his views on eating meat though! You see how we can separate the beliefs from the person and find things that we may actually agree on whilst still disliking the person and some of their other ideas. The Hitler example was a purposely extreme one because it highlights the duality that can exist within people.

'Allying yourself with racists does though." couldn't be clearer,'
I think it is ignorant to write off anyone who attends a TR march as a racist, so I don't believe it is as clear as that.

'Many UK citizens are very concerned about uncontrolled immigration.' At least we can agree on this.

'All those people who attended his rally, but claim not to be racist, could have organised their own rally. Why didn't they?' I suspect some of the reason people attended the TR rally was because it had the most momentum. Number matter is the government are to take heed.

'Why would they want to be associated with such a racist?' Right back at you... Why would Palestine protesters want to be associated with Hamas. Is everyone who attends these protests a terrorist? Because 'if you lay down with dogs, you get up with fleas.' Or do you conveniently not tar everyone with the same brush when they are on the left?

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 11:27

TooBigForMyBoots · 05/10/2025 22:31

Those behind Unite the Kingdom and Operation Raise the Colours are racist.

If they were just a bunch of merry patriots trying to cheer the place up, they'd acknowledge their campaign has backfired, got mixed up with racists and take them down.

But they're not a bunch of merry, wellmeaning, patriots and people, left, right and centre know it. Its just the far right who are playing stupid or are in denial.

They are a bunch of patriots, though. Fed up patriots being told their country, history, culture, way of life etc is evil, wicked and should be de-colonised and trashed. I don't blame them TBH.

Shakeoffyourchains · 06/10/2025 11:26

Amandasummers · 05/10/2025 15:16

Is it just me or does “now I have to see this fucking flag” some sort of insinuation that you find the flag insulting? You literally live here? Why the offence?

It's pretty offensive to desecrate a national flag with political slogans, no?

thepariscrimefiles · 06/10/2025 11:25

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 11:11

Not at all. It points out that a person can agree with certain aspects of someone's beliefs whilst disagreeing with others. It is really that simple.

So to suggest anyone who supports TR is an automatic racist is ridiculous. Not one of us knows the reasoning behind why individuals attended the September 13th rally and throwing out these all encompassing labels such as 'racist' at hundreds of thousands of people is lazy, dismissive and extremely divisive.

But you are basically saying that some people would have attended Nazi rallies led by Adolph Hitler because they agreed with his vegetarianism but not the demonisation of the Jews, but that they could just brush past the anti-Jewish stuff. It's patently absurd.