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Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

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UrticaDioca · 05/10/2025 15:05

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

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Petitchat · 06/10/2025 15:00

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:43

I was thinking more about the potential implications for her of having shared such a public platform with such high profile racists. Hopefully people will recognise that she was just a child and will blame the parents, but it can be hard to break those associations once they are made.

What's your view on being banned from school for wearing a British flag dress?

JHound · 06/10/2025 14:56

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 13:42

You don't seem to be aware what de-colonization means. It's the removal of 'dead white males (and females)', it's the 're-balancing' of history so all the bad bits are taught, some of it untruths (for example a wide-spread popular belief that England introduced both slavery and the Triangular Trade), some of it twisted. Almost anything written about Britain or Europe lately includes these tropes and variations on them, agreements that de-colonization is needed, though de-colonization only applies to European colonization not Ottoman, nor the colonization of the Levant from the 8th century by Arabs following Mohammed's injunction to spread Islam by both word and the sword.
Everything that Britain has done is blameworthy from the Agrarian Revolution to the ending of the slave trade - economic reasons for doing this are prioritized over the known moral ones to make it look as if ending the slave trade cost Britain nothing but gave it economic advantage.
Of course, that much wealth comes from the use of slaves is true in that many in the UK had plantations in the West Indies (like Sir Thomas Bertram in Mansfield Park - which adds a layer of meaning to that novel many do not pick up). Everything Britain ever did: imposing parliamentary democracy, introducing the rule of law and equality before the law in places we traded with or colonised. Everything given a gloss that it was done out of self-interest only and was always exploitative - that Britain (and Europe) raped the resources of the world and gave nothing back.
Our univerisities and our schools are teaching this with no qualification in many cases. Where do you think young people got the idea that 'globalising the intifada' (destroying Israel, that means, and Jews in general from Hamas' pov) is a good idea or that all other cultures are superior to that of Europe and that to be a white European is something to apologise for?

Is any of this true?

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:54

thepariscrimefiles · 06/10/2025 13:09

He was found guilty contempt of court due to interfering with the trial of a sexual grooming gang. He's just a rabble rouser and trouble maker. He couldn't give a fuck about the victims.

He was exposing the grooming gangs a decade before the contempt of court case, but don't let that nugget of truth distract you.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:52

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:38

Resorting to condescension because you don't understand what you are reading is not a good look.

You thought I was making a false equivalence, but there was no equivalent to be had. I offered up an example of the dichotomy that can exist within people and how we can agree with certain aspects of a person's beliefs whilst disagreeing with others, or even despising the person in question.

The Hitler example was used because of the extreme duality of it. I thought this would convey the point in a simplistic way making it easier to understand, evidently this wasn't the case for you....

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I'm embarrassed for you that you're still trying to argue this equivalence. A total failure of logic.

If Tommy Robinson eats meat, that doesn't mean that all meat eaters are racist. Similarly, Hitler being vegetarian doesn't mean all vegetarians are Nazis. Because in both cases, their dietary preferences are irrelevant to their political views.

A much better comparison would have been to think about how we might have judged someone who had chosen to go on a march organised by Hitler in celebration of German culture, knowing what Hitler stood for. I know what conclusions I would draw about someone making that choice. What would you think?

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:51

Shakeoffyourchains · 06/10/2025 12:59

You know Hitler wasn’t actually a vegetarian, right?
That was a myth pushed by Goebbels to portray him as disciplined and ascetic.

But well done for showing just how effective propaganda can be and how stubbornly it sticks once it takes hold.

I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.

It's widely accepted he was a vegetarian towards the end of his life.

Nit picking at something you have no evidence to substantiate whilst ignoring the bones of the argument? The basis of my point remains.

I'm sure there's a lesson in there somewhere.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/10/2025 14:47

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:42

More assumptions. Do you actually base any of your comments on tangible evidence.

I base it on the posters who back the racist flags shaggers, but won't fly one themselves. Do you have one up yourself?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:43

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 14:38

The "poor child" was so happy and confident, reading out her letter in her British Flag dress.

I suspect she would feel very confused at your attitude towards her and her family on such a memorable occasion.

But there again, she already has experience of people with your way of thinking when she was banned from school for innocently wearing a British Flag dress.

I was thinking more about the potential implications for her of having shared such a public platform with such high profile racists. Hopefully people will recognise that she was just a child and will blame the parents, but it can be hard to break those associations once they are made.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:42

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/10/2025 12:30

Lol at all the posters claiming it's patriotic and cheerful, but dont fly one from their property.😆

Of course they don't as they dont want to out themselves as racist to their friends and neighbours IRL.🙈

More assumptions. Do you actually base any of your comments on tangible evidence.

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 14:38

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:20

You believe whatever you want to. I feel sorry for the poor child.

The "poor child" was so happy and confident, reading out her letter in her British Flag dress.

I suspect she would feel very confused at your attitude towards her and her family on such a memorable occasion.

But there again, she already has experience of people with your way of thinking when she was banned from school for innocently wearing a British Flag dress.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:38

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 11:56

Bless. I understood what you were attempting to do, I just thought it was a rather pathetic attempt to draw a false equivalence between things that are clearly not equivalent.

Resorting to condescension because you don't understand what you are reading is not a good look.

You thought I was making a false equivalence, but there was no equivalent to be had. I offered up an example of the dichotomy that can exist within people and how we can agree with certain aspects of a person's beliefs whilst disagreeing with others, or even despising the person in question.

The Hitler example was used because of the extreme duality of it. I thought this would convey the point in a simplistic way making it easier to understand, evidently this wasn't the case for you....

Avantiagain · 06/10/2025 14:33

There is nothing you can do about it but yes it would piss me off too.

TooBigForMyBoots · 06/10/2025 14:28

Oh yeah, Elon Musk. What is it with the far right and drug addled megalomaniacs😵‍💫?

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 14:26

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:19

At least you admit they are assumptions! I don't think people care about being called racist anymore because it gets thrown around so flippantly regardless of whether there is evidence to back up the accusation or not.

'Also, tommy Robinson did not expose the grooming gangs.' I suggest you watch the Triggernometry interview with TR if you are going to make a statement like this. The footage from his TV appearances raising this issue long BEFORE the grooming scandal became public knowledge is all readily available on YouTube.

I agree all races of people can be racist. I just find it curious how many people are comfortable calling attendees at these protests racist when they are standing shoulder to shoulder with different races of people who happen to be united by similar causes.

Makes complete sense, your post.
Fully agree 👍

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:20

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 14:16

My mind doesn't go towards your type of thinking.
I was just happy that she got to wear her British dress and everyone supported her.

Her dad was lovely and ensured that she wanted to do it, which she did.
Good on that lovely family and well done to the girl.
🌹An English rose

You believe whatever you want to. I feel sorry for the poor child.

Iwantmyoldnameback · 06/10/2025 14:20

lovernotafighterr · 05/10/2025 19:10

I’d say for now the flags are flying in areas where the house prices are not high anyway.

Not heard of Epping then?

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 14:19

TheRealCrispConspiracy · 06/10/2025 11:46

It's not for you to tell me what assumptions I can make about other people. If you support tommy Robinson a lot of people will think you are racist. If you care about being called racist then don't support tommy Robinson or attend his rallies.

Also, tommy Robinson did not expose the grooming gangs. Do people really believe that? He just exploited the grooming scandal to further his racist views.

Black and brown people can be racist, xenophobic and islamophobic. And ignorant.

At least you admit they are assumptions! I don't think people care about being called racist anymore because it gets thrown around so flippantly regardless of whether there is evidence to back up the accusation or not.

'Also, tommy Robinson did not expose the grooming gangs.' I suggest you watch the Triggernometry interview with TR if you are going to make a statement like this. The footage from his TV appearances raising this issue long BEFORE the grooming scandal became public knowledge is all readily available on YouTube.

I agree all races of people can be racist. I just find it curious how many people are comfortable calling attendees at these protests racist when they are standing shoulder to shoulder with different races of people who happen to be united by similar causes.

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 14:16

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:09

The fact that Elon Musk was speaking merely underlines the extremist nature of the event.

It is utterly shameful that they would exploit a gullible teenager to further their own political agenda. One can only presume that her parents must share TR's vile agenda as no normal parent would ever let their dc make the mistake of appearing on that kind of platform.

My mind doesn't go towards your type of thinking.
I was just happy that she got to wear her British dress and everyone supported her.

Her dad was lovely and ensured that she wanted to do it, which she did.
Good on that lovely family and well done to the girl.
🌹An English rose

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 14:09

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 13:58

It wasn't only TR speaking. He spoke very little, others including Elon Musk, spoke more.

I watched to see the young girl who had been punished at school for wearing a British Union Flag dress.

She did so well on the stage and I was pleased to see the school injustice hadn't knocked her confidence one bit 😊

The fact that Elon Musk was speaking merely underlines the extremist nature of the event.

It is utterly shameful that they would exploit a gullible teenager to further their own political agenda. One can only presume that her parents must share TR's vile agenda as no normal parent would ever let their dc make the mistake of appearing on that kind of platform.

ScribblingPixie · 06/10/2025 14:07

PrawnPringles · 06/10/2025 12:03

We’ve had a few and any on public property I’ve taken down if I am able to. You can’t do anything about people displaying things on their own property except question their taste.

I got a flags of all nations bunting and have decorated our porch with it. It doesn’t look amazing but I’ve made my point 🤣

Presumably everyone thinks they've made their point when they put up a flag or a poster. But others will always infer their own meaning or idea of you from your actions - and it may not be what you'd hope.

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 13:58

lovernotafighterr · 05/10/2025 22:20

It’s not a march in support of the UK. It’s a march hosted by Tony Robinson and you go to hear him speak. You are either racist or ignorant. I think a lot of it is ignorance personally. Ignorance is dangerous though.

It wasn't only TR speaking. He spoke very little, others including Elon Musk, spoke more.

I watched to see the young girl who had been punished at school for wearing a British Union Flag dress.

She did so well on the stage and I was pleased to see the school injustice hadn't knocked her confidence one bit 😊

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 13:42

VoulezVouz · 06/10/2025 07:03

Sources for these things you mention? Who ever said our ancestors never did anything good or worthwhile, for example?

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You don't seem to be aware what de-colonization means. It's the removal of 'dead white males (and females)', it's the 're-balancing' of history so all the bad bits are taught, some of it untruths (for example a wide-spread popular belief that England introduced both slavery and the Triangular Trade), some of it twisted. Almost anything written about Britain or Europe lately includes these tropes and variations on them, agreements that de-colonization is needed, though de-colonization only applies to European colonization not Ottoman, nor the colonization of the Levant from the 8th century by Arabs following Mohammed's injunction to spread Islam by both word and the sword.
Everything that Britain has done is blameworthy from the Agrarian Revolution to the ending of the slave trade - economic reasons for doing this are prioritized over the known moral ones to make it look as if ending the slave trade cost Britain nothing but gave it economic advantage.
Of course, that much wealth comes from the use of slaves is true in that many in the UK had plantations in the West Indies (like Sir Thomas Bertram in Mansfield Park - which adds a layer of meaning to that novel many do not pick up). Everything Britain ever did: imposing parliamentary democracy, introducing the rule of law and equality before the law in places we traded with or colonised. Everything given a gloss that it was done out of self-interest only and was always exploitative - that Britain (and Europe) raped the resources of the world and gave nothing back.
Our univerisities and our schools are teaching this with no qualification in many cases. Where do you think young people got the idea that 'globalising the intifada' (destroying Israel, that means, and Jews in general from Hamas' pov) is a good idea or that all other cultures are superior to that of Europe and that to be a white European is something to apologise for?

CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 13:39

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 13:32

Agreed.
As I keep saying, we're all entitled to different opinions but some people don't like that.
They seem to believe everyone should think their way only.

You are perfectly entitled to your own opinions. You are not, however, entitled to your own facts.

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 13:32

Lollipop81 · 06/10/2025 07:58

It isn’t a racist campaign, it’s a campaign to to remind people to be proud to be British, regardless of colour. I suppose it depends on your understanding of it.

Agreed.
As I keep saying, we're all entitled to different opinions but some people don't like that.
They seem to believe everyone should think their way only.

Ginandslimlinetonics · 06/10/2025 13:29

I doubt my neighbours are racist considering both sides are muslim.I live in one of those very diverse areas

EchoedSilence— just because yourneighbours are as above - does not automatically mean that they are not racist!

CrystalShoe · 06/10/2025 13:15

Can I just say, I don't care about anyone's skin colour, religion, weight, looks, sexual orientation, nationality, immigration status, gender, disability - I love EVERYONE. Thumbs up if you agree.