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Neighbour has put up huge Unite the Kingdom flag

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UrticaDioca · 05/10/2025 15:05

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

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Efacsen · 06/10/2025 19:42

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 18:51

It's not the people coming to our country and bringing welcome diversity. It is academia, TV programmes on history or art, which tend to lean into the idea that white and European is tainted e.g. with slavery (as if slavery did not exist anywhere but in Europe the US) and also with a sense of superiority (I will accept this one, in fact, but it has little place in art criticism). Subtle ideas that everything you see is the product of sugar plantations in the West Indies (when it wasn't and there was from the 1760s a huge anti-slavery campaign in the UK), that European societies have been uniquely exploitative with no excursions into other colonial systems e.g. the systematic destruction of local cultures by Arab invaders in the North Coast of Africa and southern Europe by Arabs spreading Islam (word and sword) from the 8th century onwards. No mention of the oppression of the Ottoman or Chinese empires but a catalogue of opprobrium of Orientalism (think Ingres' Odalisque etc) without a thought of the slaving from Europe by Arabs, where blonde, blue-eyed women fetched a premium in slave markets as concubines and prostitutes. Nor that e.g. Benin bronzes are the products of profit from slavery (Benin is part of what was Dahomey or the Slave Coast and the King of Dahomey went to war with the UK in the early 1800s over the prevention of the slave trade from his realm) but that whole swathes of European art are. A bit one-sided in other words.

So patronising

CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 19:28

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 18:51

It's not the people coming to our country and bringing welcome diversity. It is academia, TV programmes on history or art, which tend to lean into the idea that white and European is tainted e.g. with slavery (as if slavery did not exist anywhere but in Europe the US) and also with a sense of superiority (I will accept this one, in fact, but it has little place in art criticism). Subtle ideas that everything you see is the product of sugar plantations in the West Indies (when it wasn't and there was from the 1760s a huge anti-slavery campaign in the UK), that European societies have been uniquely exploitative with no excursions into other colonial systems e.g. the systematic destruction of local cultures by Arab invaders in the North Coast of Africa and southern Europe by Arabs spreading Islam (word and sword) from the 8th century onwards. No mention of the oppression of the Ottoman or Chinese empires but a catalogue of opprobrium of Orientalism (think Ingres' Odalisque etc) without a thought of the slaving from Europe by Arabs, where blonde, blue-eyed women fetched a premium in slave markets as concubines and prostitutes. Nor that e.g. Benin bronzes are the products of profit from slavery (Benin is part of what was Dahomey or the Slave Coast and the King of Dahomey went to war with the UK in the early 1800s over the prevention of the slave trade from his realm) but that whole swathes of European art are. A bit one-sided in other words.

I really don’t see this happening. What I see is a welcome change from the “Our Island Story” type of history which was prevalent in my childhood, and a deeper understanding and analysis of our heritage. Do you really think, for example, that it’s a good idea NOT to look at where Thomas Bertrand in Mansfield Park got his money? Or to consider the impact of Colonialism on India and Pakistan? Or for white Australians not to acknowledge their role in the virtual extinction of the indigenous people?

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 19:17

PandoraSocks · 06/10/2025 19:14

Talk TV this morning, Mike Graham and Rafe Hayden-Mankoo were saying that in their opinion the marchers and flag flyers are the backbone of Britain and are decent British folk who are tired of what they have to endure

Oh, well that must make it true then!

Other peoples opinions do matter, you know.

PandoraSocks · 06/10/2025 19:14

Talk TV this morning, Mike Graham and Rafe Hayden-Mankoo were saying that in their opinion the marchers and flag flyers are the backbone of Britain and are decent British folk who are tired of what they have to endure

Oh, well that must make it true then!

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 19:13

Vordooflore · 06/10/2025 18:29

This country is ruined by politicians you chose

Spot on.

Petitchat · 06/10/2025 19:12

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 17:38

Unfortunately, I think it may well impact on your ability to sell the house. A lot of people won't want to move to that kind of neighbourhood.

There is a guy with a flagpole near us, who has been flying the England flag for various sporting events for the last 15 years or so. I noticed that he has stopped flying it recently, and assume that it's because he doesn't want people to think he is supporting Tommy Robinson. It's a shame that the far right have claimed it and turned it into a no-go thing for everyone else.

Normal citizens have claimed it to bring British people and families together, at a very worrying time.

Sadly, some shameful people are trying to trash it with far right and racist allegations.

And trying to trash the successful rally with allegations of 150,000 decent people being racists.
But people know the truth, especially the ones who were there.

It's easy to vilify and try to cause division from behind a keyboard, Instead of being loud and proud of the marchers.

Talk TV this morning, Mike Graham and Rafe Hayden-Mankoo were saying that in their opinion the marchers and flag flyers are the backbone of Britain and are decent British folk who are tired of what they have to endure.

I fully agree.

Putneydad7 · 06/10/2025 19:00

We are all descendants of economic migrants, it's just a matter of how far back you want to go. Populism comes and goes, was very popular in Germany in the 30's, Italy in the 40's, Spain in the 60s, Argentina in the 80s. This time it seems to be everywhere. Let your neighbour fly his flag, eventually when the civil war comes, he'll be first to be identified.

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 18:51

saraclara · 06/10/2025 17:39

Another one here who has no idea what you mean by our culture being trashed. Can you explain?

I live in a mostly white area, and worked for decades in a nearby town which is one of the most multicultural in the UK. I see no difference at all in the British cultural stuff going on in both places. The other cultures added to cultural life, they didn't detract from it, criticise it, or diminish it. The cultures existed side by side.

So yes, I'm not sure what I've missed and would appreciate some examples of our culture being trashed.

It's not the people coming to our country and bringing welcome diversity. It is academia, TV programmes on history or art, which tend to lean into the idea that white and European is tainted e.g. with slavery (as if slavery did not exist anywhere but in Europe the US) and also with a sense of superiority (I will accept this one, in fact, but it has little place in art criticism). Subtle ideas that everything you see is the product of sugar plantations in the West Indies (when it wasn't and there was from the 1760s a huge anti-slavery campaign in the UK), that European societies have been uniquely exploitative with no excursions into other colonial systems e.g. the systematic destruction of local cultures by Arab invaders in the North Coast of Africa and southern Europe by Arabs spreading Islam (word and sword) from the 8th century onwards. No mention of the oppression of the Ottoman or Chinese empires but a catalogue of opprobrium of Orientalism (think Ingres' Odalisque etc) without a thought of the slaving from Europe by Arabs, where blonde, blue-eyed women fetched a premium in slave markets as concubines and prostitutes. Nor that e.g. Benin bronzes are the products of profit from slavery (Benin is part of what was Dahomey or the Slave Coast and the King of Dahomey went to war with the UK in the early 1800s over the prevention of the slave trade from his realm) but that whole swathes of European art are. A bit one-sided in other words.

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 18:43

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 17:19

Who is trashing their culture and telling them that it isn't worthwhile? This is a genuine question btw, because I'm white British and I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you able to give some genuine evidenced examples of this?

Critical race theory being taught in schools, which seems to involve separating by ethnicity to make its points (I can't think of anything more racist). Australian schools teaching the history of Australia as entirely exploitation - some was, some wasn't, balance here is good. Elevation of traditional 'ways of seeing' over empirical scientific method which is seen as disempowering for those who are not ethnically European (unless Irish?) and an imposition on other cultures' own ideas (albeit quite a lot of the scientific method comes from e.g. what is now India). The replacement on English literature courses of books by dead white males (e.g. Steinbeck - I don't like Steinbeck but I don't want his work unstudied), or problematical books removed such as To Kill a Mockingbird (racist terms and 'white saviour' narrative - poor Atticus!). I think we should study wider ranges of literature but we should be adding to the cannon, not chucking out the bits that do not agree with the current mindset.
Moral anachronism, which means applying current morality to past societies esp. European ones - this is bad history, people's actions can only be judged in terms of their own times, e.g. I can think badly of Edmund Tudor having sex with his 12 year old wife because people at the time were shocked and thought it was something he should not have done.

AngelicKaty · 06/10/2025 18:36

AnnaFrith · 06/10/2025 17:10

Obviously I know that lots of people say that Tommy Robinson is a racist.
Unfortunately, they seem to be mostly the same people who say that some men are women.
They also seem to be the same people who say that anyone concerned about the massive rise in immigration is an ignorant racist bigot.
So I'd prefer to find out what he's actually said, then make my own decision about him.

Except you haven't bothered to "find out" and it's clear from your response you think this violent thug (who's served FIVE prison terms) is an OK bloke. 🙄
And saying that people who say things you disagree with "seem to be the same people" who say other things you don't agree with is moronic. No-one believes that people who are concerned about uncontrolled immigration (as am I) are all ignorant, racist bigots - only the ones who go on a march with Tommy Ten Names when they have the choice not to.

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 18:31

JHound · 06/10/2025 14:56

Is any of this true?

All of it. Have a look around. Reparations for slavery, white fragility, only white people are racist, no-one else ever is, everything produced by European society is suspect. And you can add a layer of trans ideology on top, as misogynistic and homophobic icing (should go well with supporting Hamas, who agree with both ideas).

Vordooflore · 06/10/2025 18:29

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 17:54

No, she just hates the racist fuckwits who are ruining the country she lives in.

This country is ruined by politicians you chose

DiscoBeat · 06/10/2025 18:00

I hate those flags and I'm of British heritage

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 17:54

Vordooflore · 06/10/2025 17:51

You hate the country you live in?

No, she just hates the racist fuckwits who are ruining the country she lives in.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 17:52

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 17:42

No it was the BNP. I have corrected myself since.

That good old bastion of anti racism.Wink

Vordooflore · 06/10/2025 17:51

UrticaDioca · 05/10/2025 15:05

I am gutted. I haven't seen a single flag in my town, and suddenly this union jack goes up two doors over with the words 'Unite the Kingdom' printed on it in capital letters. The flag is huge and flying from a pole on top of their shed, but it's in their own garden so nothing can be done.

I am the daughter of an immigrant mother and therefore mixed race. Now I have to see this fucking flag waving at me every time I look out of my kitchen or living room windows.

You hate the country you live in?

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 17:42

Efacsen · 06/10/2025 16:42

Plus TR didn't found the EDL until 2009 so it would be tricky to be discussing it on Panorama in 2004

No it was the BNP. I have corrected myself since.

saraclara · 06/10/2025 17:39

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 17:15

Don't accuse me of liking TR, I did not say that I did. I said I understood the people who went on the march who are fed up with their culture being both trashed and called no worthwhile culture. They haven't got much recourse outside the likes of TR - sometimes we have strange bedfellows e.g. I don't agree with some GC feminists on lots of matters outside the awful misogyny and homophobia of the trans agenda, but I support them on the thing we do agree on.

Another one here who has no idea what you mean by our culture being trashed. Can you explain?

I live in a mostly white area, and worked for decades in a nearby town which is one of the most multicultural in the UK. I see no difference at all in the British cultural stuff going on in both places. The other cultures added to cultural life, they didn't detract from it, criticise it, or diminish it. The cultures existed side by side.

So yes, I'm not sure what I've missed and would appreciate some examples of our culture being trashed.

IAmThePrettiestManOnMyIsland · 06/10/2025 17:39

Efacsen · 06/10/2025 16:37

Do you have a link to that please?

Nothing on the first few pages of google search as far as I can see

I wish I did, but it is impossible to find now... Here is guessing as to why.
I also have to correct myself, it was the BNP not the EDL at that point.

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 17:38

saraclara · 06/10/2025 17:34

I'm about to sell my late parent's property. It's on a small close where the bottom half is festooned with England flags. The house I'm trying to sell is in the top half of the close (and both next door neighbours are South Asian, so I can't imagine how they feel). I'm wondering if the flags are going to put buyers off. Or maybe those not put off will be racists, which would be awful for the immediate neighbours.

I'm really sad that you're having to look at this thing all the time, OP.

(Incidentally a neighbour behind my house has been flying the British flag for a couple of years, which I thought was slightly odd. But a few weeks ago he took it down. I'm hoping because he's just patriotic, and doesn't want to be aligned with Tommy Robinson etc)

Unfortunately, I think it may well impact on your ability to sell the house. A lot of people won't want to move to that kind of neighbourhood.

There is a guy with a flagpole near us, who has been flying the England flag for various sporting events for the last 15 years or so. I noticed that he has stopped flying it recently, and assume that it's because he doesn't want people to think he is supporting Tommy Robinson. It's a shame that the far right have claimed it and turned it into a no-go thing for everyone else.

saraclara · 06/10/2025 17:34

I'm about to sell my late parent's property. It's on a small close where the bottom half is festooned with England flags. The house I'm trying to sell is in the top half of the close (and both next door neighbours are South Asian, so I can't imagine how they feel). I'm wondering if the flags are going to put buyers off. Or maybe those not put off will be racists, which would be awful for the immediate neighbours.

I'm really sad that you're having to look at this thing all the time, OP.

(Incidentally a neighbour behind my house has been flying the British flag for a couple of years, which I thought was slightly odd. But a few weeks ago he took it down. I'm hoping because he's just patriotic, and doesn't want to be aligned with Tommy Robinson etc)

CurlewKate · 06/10/2025 17:25

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 17:15

Don't accuse me of liking TR, I did not say that I did. I said I understood the people who went on the march who are fed up with their culture being both trashed and called no worthwhile culture. They haven't got much recourse outside the likes of TR - sometimes we have strange bedfellows e.g. I don't agree with some GC feminists on lots of matters outside the awful misogyny and homophobia of the trans agenda, but I support them on the thing we do agree on.

Where is people’s culture being trashed and called no worthwhile?

Redpeach · 06/10/2025 17:23

AnnaFrith · 06/10/2025 17:13

You wouldn't have written something as offensive as this about any other social group in the country.
Only white working class men.
This tells us far more about you than about the people who attended the march.

Those poor men

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 17:21

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 11:52

I guess this is where we will have to agree to disagree. I don't think you can distance yourself from racism if you choose to go on a march that has been organised by a notorious racist. By being there, you are effectively condoning it.

Perhaps it's also worth adding here that being an immigrant doesn't necessarily make you immune from racism.

I entirely agree re immigrants and racism. Anyone can be racist and I have been on the end of some nasty racism from people who would say 'we can't be racist'!
I agree with you somewhat because there is nowhere to protest to and with about trashing our history and culture - TR and co are the last resort. It's sad that we have such a divided country. But it was always so - George Orwell said that Britain was the only place where the educated intelligentsia despised their own country and whether he was right geographically or not he was certainly right about what we now call the chattering classes, they prefer any culture and history but their own.
And why are not the pro-Palestinians marching to stop the horrors (mass rape for example) of the Sudan civil war, against the starvation of women and children in the Yemeni war, against the horrors continuously carried out in the Democratic Republic of the Congo (a real failed state) where rape and murder are used to control the population to the benefit of an elite and foreign companies?

MrsBennetsPoorNervesAreBack · 06/10/2025 17:19

Grammarnut · 06/10/2025 17:15

Don't accuse me of liking TR, I did not say that I did. I said I understood the people who went on the march who are fed up with their culture being both trashed and called no worthwhile culture. They haven't got much recourse outside the likes of TR - sometimes we have strange bedfellows e.g. I don't agree with some GC feminists on lots of matters outside the awful misogyny and homophobia of the trans agenda, but I support them on the thing we do agree on.

Who is trashing their culture and telling them that it isn't worthwhile? This is a genuine question btw, because I'm white British and I honestly have no idea what you're talking about.

Are you able to give some genuine evidenced examples of this?

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