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Is this rude from a child? Age 6, furious reaction from teacher

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partytimed · 02/10/2025 21:48

My DS was at school today and his teacher addressed the class saying “I don’t want to hear from you unless you need the toilet, you’re in pain or injured.” My DS raised his hand and said “I’m pain and injured is kind of the same thing.” Another teacher overheard and shouted at him so much he was crying and still crying about it at bedtime.

obviously I only have his account of the incident so this is all the detail I have. He didn’t think he had said anything wrong. I’ve noticed this year he’s complained of strict scary teachers and he’s becoming anxious about going to school. Would appreciate opinions on whether this apparently very big telling off was justified. He said his friends were comforting afterwards and he was crying and apologising whilst the teacher continued to shout.

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Grammarninja · 04/10/2025 15:39

Your son's comment was either a bid to get a laugh out of the class at the teacher's expense ie. implying that her words were nonsensical OR the result of him taking it very literally and needing clarification. If it was the latter, then maybe ASD is something to look into.
If it was the former, then he took a risk and it backfired. I was a nervous child in school who would have been very upset if the teacher gave out to me. As a result, I would never have made a comment like this for fear of the consequences. It's cheeky and I'd have known that.

poetryandwine · 04/10/2025 14:07

There isn’t enough information about the particular incident to know what happened.

Overall it is concerning that DS isn’t enjoying school this year. It would be good for OP to learn more about this, with a genuinely open mind. She could have some valid concerns, or DS could be put off by the fact that this teacher’s style isn’t as good a fit for him as last year’s teacher’s was. If she is a bit brusque but not unfair or nasty, he might not be giving her a fair chance. Or, again, there could be a real problem.

However in HE we not uncommonly see teaching evaluations moaning about unfair marking rubrics that are miles from the (written and frequently reiterated) reality, and similar distortions. I assume these complaints feel real to the students.

I am sure DS’ distress feels real to him. That doesn’t mean I would be taking the word of a young child as objective truth. In any case, an important part of participating in formal education is learning to appreciate that many different types of people in this world have something valuable to offer you.

cherish123 · 04/10/2025 13:45

ThankYouNigel · 04/10/2025 06:50

Absolutely, you’re well out of it. I am stunned at the lack of support amongst parents in my son’s class for behaviour, from adults who should know better.

My child (7) got rightly sent out to the deputies for chatting and ignoring reminders to stop. Mine and my DH’s response- apologise to his teacher and deputies, authoritative telling off from us both, DC told it was completely unacceptable, zero excuses, removal of privileges at home. We’ve nipped that in the bud pretty quickly. Teacher (who is lovely) was genuinely surprised and appreciative of our response, which speaks volumes of the general level of parental undermining.

Others sent out for the same- one Mum went round telling other parents in the playground the teacher is horrible, strict, her child only talks to help others, it wasn’t her child’s fault but other children, she will complain to the Head. My DS: her daughter is really naughty. Obviously! I’ve seen her appalling behaviour myself and her mum says absolutely nothing to correct her. What a joke.

Children have no right to constantly disrupt learning of both themselves and others.

This is an example of good parenting. Unfortunately, a lot of parents are not like this.

cherish123 · 04/10/2025 13:39

Magsbd · 04/10/2025 10:43

I would definitely have a word with his teacher to find out what exactly happened. A 6 year old should not be shouted at by teachers. Whatever the boy said the teacher should have handled it in a calmer way.

Maybe the teacher was calm. We don't know, though, as OP wasn't there when it happened

cherish123 · 04/10/2025 13:37

sidebirds · 04/10/2025 10:37

The child didn't "try to correct" the teacher, he successfully schooled the clown. Teachers are frequently poseurs, crassly performative in their self-aggrandising attempts at popularity amongst their charges. The nipper displayed an appreciation of language subtle beyond his years; dutifully wiping the floor with this egotistical bore.

Err - he was rude and he needs to learn not to speak like this. Attitudes like this from parents is why there are problems with behaviour in schools.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 04/10/2025 13:35

sidebirds · 04/10/2025 10:37

The child didn't "try to correct" the teacher, he successfully schooled the clown. Teachers are frequently poseurs, crassly performative in their self-aggrandising attempts at popularity amongst their charges. The nipper displayed an appreciation of language subtle beyond his years; dutifully wiping the floor with this egotistical bore.

Except he was wrong...

cardibach · 04/10/2025 12:45

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/10/2025 12:15

He was asking if the two words had the same meaning.... Hardly a smart arse

No, he wasn’t asking. He was telling the teacher they were the same. Which they aren’t. He was trying to show her up (yes, at a 6 year old level, so I’m not saying he was doing it nastily, but it was still his intention). Plus he would, by 6, know very well what the actual instruction was - ‘don’t disturb me unless it’s an emergency’, so he was being disruptive on that level too.

cardibach · 04/10/2025 12:42

sidebirds · 04/10/2025 10:37

The child didn't "try to correct" the teacher, he successfully schooled the clown. Teachers are frequently poseurs, crassly performative in their self-aggrandising attempts at popularity amongst their charges. The nipper displayed an appreciation of language subtle beyond his years; dutifully wiping the floor with this egotistical bore.

He was wrong, as are you. It wasn’t a subtle appreciation of language. The two things have a small overlap - the more subtly you interrogate the meaning, the lass the child was correct. I hope you home school your children as your attitude to teachers is disgusting, frankly.

MusicMakesItAllBetter · 04/10/2025 12:15

WalnutsAndFigs · 02/10/2025 21:56

Well he was being a smart arse wasn't he
It's very hard to know how much children embellish so I don't think anyone here can say for sure if the teacher was appropriately firm or figuratively transformed into a fire breathing monster

He was asking if the two words had the same meaning.... Hardly a smart arse

theresapossuminthekitchen · 04/10/2025 11:26

Ringthebell26 · 03/10/2025 00:31

“I don’t want to hear from you unless you need the toilet, you’re in pain or injured.”

TBH I think the teacher was really rude saying this. Would she have been as abrupt with an adult?

Right… so teachers must carefully explain the difference between being in pain and being injured, despite the point being that there are too many interruptions happening for learning/the particular task to be done because these are small children who are not to be treated as adults. But, also, teachers must speak to children exactly as they would speak to an adult…? One would expect not to be this abrupt with adults, because adults wouldn’t need to be told this in the first place. Would you tell an adult to ‘go and wash your hands for dinner’? No, it would be rude and abrupt, but we do say that to our children because they don’t know yet how to behave in certain situations and won’t automatically go and wash their hands.

The reality is, in a busy classroom of 30 6-year-olds, you have to sometimes firmly shut down the interruptions and this kind of instruction usually comes after they’ve already tried the usual range of ‘everybody needs to be focusing on their work’/‘we need to work now, not ask questions’ gentle guidance. If it had been me, he wouldn’t have been given the chance to say it because when his hand went up, I would have asked him: ‘Are you in pain?’ ‘No.’ ‘Are you injured?’ ‘No.’ ‘Do you need the toilet?’ ‘No.’ ‘Fantastic! Hand down then. Now, let’s all get on with our work.’ (Said with a smile.) No reprimands needed, no derailing the lesson, and he’s helped me reiterate my expectations! However, it’s taken me 20 years of teaching to learn to handle things that way - to kindly but firmly take back control of a classroom is really difficult. Many people struggle to get one or two children to do what they ask, but then expect that a teacher can get thirty children to do what they ask every time without ever losing their cool or so much as upsetting them (especially hard when they’re the centre of their parents’ world and aren’t used to being expected to compromise their wants).

Nobody should be ranting/shouting at a 6-year-old but you need to be very sure that’s what happened first and not just a firm ‘telling off’. OP, I’d be more concerned about his general unhappiness and try to get to the bottom of that - it may need a conversation with the teacher, but it also may need to be a conversation with your child about how school changes each year as you grow up a bit - you need to balance being alert to a genuinely poor classroom environment/serious problems with the teacher(s) and encouraging your son to be resilient when things are just less enjoyable/fun and harder work. Year 2 should still be somewhat relaxed and they are still little so there should be plenty of active learning/crafts/physical activity, etc. but there will also start to be more occasions of quiet/silent work. (E.g. I would ask, when he says they had to work in silence, whether they had been asked to work quietly before the teacher asked for silence? In which case, they probably weren’t managing ‘quiet’, which is subjective, so were asked for ‘silent’, which is clear. That can be a way to build towards more appropriately quiet working. Don’t ask how long they had to work in silence, but instead ask what they were doing when working in silence - you can judge how long the task(s) might have taken. I’d be surprised if they can keep 6-year-olds actually silent for more than 5 minutes at a time unless they’re sat listening to the teacher (and even then!)

Loopylou7219 · 04/10/2025 10:55

theresapossuminthekitchen · 04/10/2025 10:19

He didn’t ask a question, he made a statement. He wasn’t trying to fully understand - he was trying to correct the teacher. I agree that ‘smart arse’ isn’t appropriate for a 6-yr old because it’s not deliberate at that age, but when do children learn not to do this if they’re never corrected on it? If he was actually shouted/ranted at, then that is unreasonable, but I would be very surprised if he was. Children who are either particularly sensitive or particularly sheltered from consequences/firmness from their parents, tend to consider any firmness of tone and any clear correction of behaviour as ‘being shouted at’ - they don’t have any other words to use to describe it. If we don’t firmly (but without actual shouting) correct behaviour early on that will be considered rude later, we do small children a disservice. At home, you can let your children correct you/explore the language, be the centre of every conversation, whatever you choose. At school, they are one of 30 and they need to learn when to keep their thoughts to themself and do as they are asked/told so the classroom can function and every child can learn.

How on earth you can say "he wasn't trying to fully understand" is beyond me. How do you proclaim to know what was going on in his head. The arrogance is unreal. I also don't think that anyone here is suggesting a 6 year old shouldn't have a consequence if appropriate, but that shouting is unacceptable which you seem to be agreeing with anyway. Problem is people will use the word "firm" when what they're actually describing is shouting and being verbally aggressive to a child which is always unacceptable

CopperWhite · 04/10/2025 10:46

sidebirds · 04/10/2025 10:37

The child didn't "try to correct" the teacher, he successfully schooled the clown. Teachers are frequently poseurs, crassly performative in their self-aggrandising attempts at popularity amongst their charges. The nipper displayed an appreciation of language subtle beyond his years; dutifully wiping the floor with this egotistical bore.

Not really, considering his point was inaccurate.

Either way, six year olds know they aren’t supposed to call out in class, so his telling off was valid.

birling16 · 04/10/2025 10:45

sidebirds · 04/10/2025 10:37

The child didn't "try to correct" the teacher, he successfully schooled the clown. Teachers are frequently poseurs, crassly performative in their self-aggrandising attempts at popularity amongst their charges. The nipper displayed an appreciation of language subtle beyond his years; dutifully wiping the floor with this egotistical bore.

Bet you're fun at Parents Evening.

Magsbd · 04/10/2025 10:43

I would definitely have a word with his teacher to find out what exactly happened. A 6 year old should not be shouted at by teachers. Whatever the boy said the teacher should have handled it in a calmer way.

sidebirds · 04/10/2025 10:37

JJMama · 04/10/2025 09:18

This. And even if he was correct, he was rude to speak back and try to correct a teacher! He sounds precocious at best.

The child didn't "try to correct" the teacher, he successfully schooled the clown. Teachers are frequently poseurs, crassly performative in their self-aggrandising attempts at popularity amongst their charges. The nipper displayed an appreciation of language subtle beyond his years; dutifully wiping the floor with this egotistical bore.

SugarPlumpFairyCakes · 04/10/2025 10:35

It’s just not a big deal what this kid did. Not at all.

theresapossuminthekitchen · 04/10/2025 10:19

Loopylou7219 · 02/10/2025 22:08

Some of these responses are so unkind. I could imagine my child when they were younger maybe saying the same thing not being a "smart arse" but perhaps trying to fully understand what the teacher had said and what they meant. Why do so many people on here seem to hate children

He didn’t ask a question, he made a statement. He wasn’t trying to fully understand - he was trying to correct the teacher. I agree that ‘smart arse’ isn’t appropriate for a 6-yr old because it’s not deliberate at that age, but when do children learn not to do this if they’re never corrected on it? If he was actually shouted/ranted at, then that is unreasonable, but I would be very surprised if he was. Children who are either particularly sensitive or particularly sheltered from consequences/firmness from their parents, tend to consider any firmness of tone and any clear correction of behaviour as ‘being shouted at’ - they don’t have any other words to use to describe it. If we don’t firmly (but without actual shouting) correct behaviour early on that will be considered rude later, we do small children a disservice. At home, you can let your children correct you/explore the language, be the centre of every conversation, whatever you choose. At school, they are one of 30 and they need to learn when to keep their thoughts to themself and do as they are asked/told so the classroom can function and every child can learn.

blinkblinkblinkblink · 04/10/2025 10:02

Cocoda · 04/10/2025 04:48

blinkblinkblinkblink
If that's your language of choice, I imagine the education department, also, had zero regrets over your leaving..

Yes, the DfE has a massive problem with anonymous adult teachers swearing on anonymous adult-only forums in their own free time. That is the sole cause of the teacher retention crisis, clearly. All these adults swearing in adult only places having to leave teaching. Nothing to do with behaviour/parents making excuses for shitty behaviour at all.

OchonAgusOchonOh · 04/10/2025 09:59

beenherebefore9 · 04/10/2025 09:55

I'm shocked at people's responses on here. He's six years old! Children at this age think very literally- pain & injured to a young child will seem very similar in meaning. If the teacher did go off on him (I would check this before going in guns blazing) - it was a complete over reaction. I understand teachers have a job to do and there will be times when a quieter working environment is needed, but anyone working with young children (or who has young children) knows how impulsive they are. It doesn't make them naughty or as some have said "a smart arse"

Edited

She said in pain or injured which, while there is an overlap, are not the same thing. The same applies to hurt and injured.

I'm actually shocked at the number of adults on here who don't realise the words are not synonyms.

Edited as I responded to your post before you edited and when you said "hurt & injured is the same he wasn't wrong in what he said"

beenherebefore9 · 04/10/2025 09:55

I'm shocked at people's responses on here. He's six years old! Children at this age think very literally- pain & injured to a young child will seem very similar in meaning. If the teacher did go off on him (I would check this before going in guns blazing) - it was a complete over reaction. I understand teachers have a job to do and there will be times when a quieter working environment is needed, but anyone working with young children (or who has young children) knows how impulsive they are. It doesn't make them naughty or as some have said "a smart arse"

Mere1 · 04/10/2025 09:34

PrizedPickledPopcorn · 02/10/2025 21:54

They were being told to be quiet.
Arguing with the teacher’s choice of words is inappropriate- and especially inappropriate when you’ve been instructed to be quiet, an from the sounds of it more than once.

The problem is what’s ok in individual interactions isn’t ok in big groups. It’s unmanageable. Part of school is learning what’s appropriate in different situations. This was very, very inappropriate.

Agree.

luluw41 · 04/10/2025 09:31

Reading between the lines I’m guessing the teacher was dealing with a lot of shouting out, comments about things that had nothing to do with the lesson and general fussiness.
Low level disruption, while low level, impacts on learning. What she was basically saying was to only put your hand up if you have something urgent to say.
Did your LO put his hand up or shout out his observation? If he did, was he pointing out that the teacher was wrong as that could have come across as disrespectful? Pain and injury aren’t the same thing, so perhaps explaining to your LO that if he has a question and needs clarification from the teacher, its best to put your hand up and say ‘I have a question about what you said.’
Obviously you don’t know what the context around the reprimand was, so you may want to ask the teacher what happened.
I would say the shouty response seems a little OTT but then we don’t have context.
I work in a school and adults understand they are not to use their voice to shout at children. I’ve very occasionally heard a teacher shout when a child does something unsafe.

OwlBeThere · 04/10/2025 09:21

My daughter would have said this kind of thing, she is autistic though she wasn’t diagnosed as such at 6.
she wouldn’t have been being a smart arse, she would have been being factual in her head,

JJMama · 04/10/2025 09:18

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This. And even if he was correct, he was rude to speak back and try to correct a teacher! He sounds precocious at best.

Sadworld23 · 04/10/2025 09:05

Hrft but all I read about behaviour is that if you yell as a parent, that's what your child will understand, surely same applies to teachers.

And yes he was being smart, but surely there are better ways to tell a 6 year to be quiet than shouting.

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