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The council should be taking down England flags in public places?

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fourfoxsakes · 26/09/2025 12:45

I have driven through a couple of areas in the last few days where England flags are being displayed on public lamp posts, it makes me feel very uncomfortable and unwelcome in the area and I think gosh I’m glad I don’t live here, but why are the council not taking them down?

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RubySquid · 27/09/2025 18:33

Onlyontuesday · 27/09/2025 07:26

Lots of wilful ignorance.

If you were on holiday in Barcelona and Spanish or Catalan flags went up immediately everywhere after a wave of protests about tourism you would be being dense to not feel uncomfortable. The people putting them up would want you to see the flag and feel unwelcome.

Yes it's an English flag in England, but intention matters, and the intention here is not patriotism. White nationalism is not British and it does not make me feel proud.

Who says it's only white people flying the flags. The only person I know who has put one up ( own property) is most definitely not white or born in UK but a British passport holder

RubySquid · 27/09/2025 18:26

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 06:32

You know why it makes people feel unwelcome.
Why would you continue doing something that makes quite a lot of folk feel unwelcome whether they live, work or visit here?
It seems to me though that people really enjoy this part of the Robinson Raise the Colours op - more than they like celebrating being English/British - not a great look really.
No one has objected to flags already flown - nice flags at full mast on buildings.
I’ve just been abroad and seen flags around, but not on lampposts half mast, and no one told me it meant they didn’t really want foreigners there. It’s completely different.

No idknt know why it makes people feel unwelcome. Only on MN have I heard it being so. Asked a few friends and colleagues ( none originally from uk) and general consensus is they don't give a shit.

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 18:20

MushMonster · 27/09/2025 17:54

This.
Just leave the flags alone.

Debatable for sure - however I doubt everyone got the required legal permission to hang them up so there is that issue as well.

bemoresloth · 27/09/2025 18:01

TwistyTurnip · 27/09/2025 17:54

Do you feel the same about the Palestinian flags as well OP?

Are they hanging half mast on lampposts?

TwistyTurnip · 27/09/2025 17:54

fourfoxsakes · 26/09/2025 12:45

I have driven through a couple of areas in the last few days where England flags are being displayed on public lamp posts, it makes me feel very uncomfortable and unwelcome in the area and I think gosh I’m glad I don’t live here, but why are the council not taking them down?

Do you feel the same about the Palestinian flags as well OP?

MushMonster · 27/09/2025 17:54

MidnightPatrol · 26/09/2025 12:52

I think it’s a bad precedent for councils to be obliged remove England flags, in England.

That’s giving in to the idea it’s just a ‘far right symbol’ of some sort.

Let’s be proud to be English. By reacting in panic and pulling them down, you only cement the idea the flag is a negative thing.

This.
Just leave the flags alone.

DdraigGoch · 27/09/2025 17:21

orangegato · 26/09/2025 15:20

Anyone offended by the English flag can FO out of England? If I went to America I’d expect to see their flag… it’s the unhinged left that have tried to make people hate their own flag and heritage and are shitting their knickers that it has had the opposite effect.

America has a code about how the national flag should be displayed, so ensure that it retains its dignity. Some cheap polyester flags cable-tied at half-staff and getting increasingly tattered would not be considered acceptable in the US.

HeadsWinTailsLose · 27/09/2025 17:03

DdraigGoch · 27/09/2025 16:55

You realise that most lamp posts are either county council or Highways England property?

I wrongly thought that each town had the same set up as where I live. I stand corrected. A quick google tells me that it can be the local council, highways, parish/town council, electricity network operators or a third party that the council has contracted maintenance and repairs to. Thank you for your input.

Alittlefrustrated · 27/09/2025 16:56

Yogabearmous · 26/09/2025 12:50

We live in England , I expect to see English flags … in Scotland I saw Scottish flags .

This.
However, I 100% don't want to see crosses spray painted onto road signs and disgusting slogans like "send them back home", which someone has painted on a road sign outside my estate sometime since I passed it yesterday.

DdraigGoch · 27/09/2025 16:55

HeadsWinTailsLose · 27/09/2025 16:50

Not RTFT, it’s not the council’s responsibility. The onus to remove is the owner of the lamppost. In my town the company, Balfour are informed and they put it on their to do list, it’s not a priority for them but they do remove them eventually.

You realise that most lamp posts are either county council or Highways England property?

HeadsWinTailsLose · 27/09/2025 16:50

Not RTFT, it’s not the council’s responsibility. The onus to remove is the owner of the lamppost. In my town the company, Balfour are informed and they put it on their to do list, it’s not a priority for them but they do remove them eventually.

Boomer55 · 27/09/2025 16:38

fourfoxsakes · 26/09/2025 12:45

I have driven through a couple of areas in the last few days where England flags are being displayed on public lamp posts, it makes me feel very uncomfortable and unwelcome in the area and I think gosh I’m glad I don’t live here, but why are the council not taking them down?

Why would a flag make you uncomfortable? I stick mine up during football and I can’t imagine why it would upset anyone. 🙄

user281262 · 27/09/2025 16:36

get a grip OP, there should be more England flags flying in England.

as the song says…there’ll always be an England!!

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 16:28

BatchCookBabe · 27/09/2025 16:19

I am so pleased to see the huge majority of people posting and voting disagree with you @fourfoxsakes 😆

Bit baffled that people are still posting about this though. Bit tedious now. 🙄

No way should the councils be taking England flags down! Would they do this in any other country? Would anyone expect them to? NO!

I have seen a few posters on here (on various threads) claiming they have been taking down England flags in their area that other people have been putting up.

I'm like 'yeah sure!' 😂

I mean, who the actual heck do they think they are that they have a right to do this? Most people would give you a short shrift, or laugh at you, and just put it back. (Although in reality, no-one is removing anyone else's England flags!) Grin

Be proud of your flag @fourfoxsakes like other countries are proud of theirs!

You don’t have to come on here and be bored - you could mute the thread.
Councils/Highways agencies probably should take them down from lamp posts as they’re a risk - and putting them up there is breaking the law - check gov.uk ‘Flying Flags’ - I’m going to post a pic but it probably will take a while - but hey nothing says patriotism like breaking English law.

The council should be taking down England flags in public places?
MasterBeth · 27/09/2025 16:27

BatchCookBabe · 27/09/2025 16:19

I am so pleased to see the huge majority of people posting and voting disagree with you @fourfoxsakes 😆

Bit baffled that people are still posting about this though. Bit tedious now. 🙄

No way should the councils be taking England flags down! Would they do this in any other country? Would anyone expect them to? NO!

I have seen a few posters on here (on various threads) claiming they have been taking down England flags in their area that other people have been putting up.

I'm like 'yeah sure!' 😂

I mean, who the actual heck do they think they are that they have a right to do this? Most people would give you a short shrift, or laugh at you, and just put it back. (Although in reality, no-one is removing anyone else's England flags!) Grin

Be proud of your flag @fourfoxsakes like other countries are proud of theirs!

Anyone has the "right" to clear away anyone else's fly-tipped litter. If you dumped an old fridge outside my house, I'd take it to the tip. If you string a flag up to a lamppost outside my house, I am perfectly within my rights to so the same.

People are, of course, free to fly flags from their own property. If they do it because a racist like Tommy Robinson told them, then they are being a bit of a cunt.

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 16:22

Confusdworriedmum · 27/09/2025 16:18

Yes this what annoys me. We live in England so why can't we have the English flag flying?
It's not down to the council to remove them. Most don't have the extra money or resources to fund anything more than the bare minimum. Like others said they'll be back up within an hour.

Yeah - and why did it take Tommy and his racist gang to remind you to do this?
And anyway you are not supposed to hang things on lampposts or telegraph poles - can’t even follow your own council’s/highways rules - why not? It’s not very ‘patriotic’ to break England’s rules surely?

BatchCookBabe · 27/09/2025 16:19

I am so pleased to see the huge majority of people posting and voting disagree with you @fourfoxsakes 😆

Bit baffled that people are still posting about this though. Bit tedious now. 🙄

No way should the councils be taking England flags down! Would they do this in any other country? Would anyone expect them to? NO!

I have seen a few posters on here (on various threads) claiming they have been taking down England flags in their area that other people have been putting up.

I'm like 'yeah sure!' 😂

I mean, who the actual heck do they think they are that they have a right to do this? Most people would give you a short shrift, or laugh at you, and just put it back. (Although in reality, no-one is removing anyone else's England flags!) Grin

Be proud of your flag @fourfoxsakes like other countries are proud of theirs!

Flag England GIF by Wimbledon
Confusdworriedmum · 27/09/2025 16:18

MidnightPatrol · 26/09/2025 12:54

Palestinian flags and Ukrainian flags all fine. Scottish flags fine.

Just the England flag unacceptable. Can’t be demonstrating you support for England in England.

Yes this what annoys me. We live in England so why can't we have the English flag flying?
It's not down to the council to remove them. Most don't have the extra money or resources to fund anything more than the bare minimum. Like others said they'll be back up within an hour.

MasterBeth · 27/09/2025 16:14

Dogsandhens · 27/09/2025 11:43

TBF we really are the mildest mannered people in the world! We've repeatedly voted for less immigration for decades and been ignored every time. So.much so that immigration has accelerated massively. Most countries would have eventually had huge riots or a revolution and overthrown the government. What do we do...fly our own flag in our own country 🤣. And we STILL get accused of being racist intolerant bigots!!🤣

We've repeatedly voted for less immigration for decades and been ignored every time.

Who has repeatedly voted for less immigration? Have you been voting BNP and National Front?

Catchee · 27/09/2025 16:11

Our parish council had to have the police in attendance when a whole load of men from another area came to shout them down for refusing to allow the flags to be put up. Our council has control over the lamp posts. The neighbouring village does not, and men arrived in the middle of the night to put them up and then also took over the parish meetings. Both the residents of the villages have made it clear they do not want these flags up. The flag is not being used in the context of the jubillee, or sports, or St Georges day. It has been co opted, and is being enforced through intimidation by people who are not part of our community and do not care what our community wants. Threats were made against 60 year olds who have given endlessly to the village grind, cleaning, organising, sorting, threats. Is that patriotic? Groups of men threatning old laides and piling in online and in real life.

MasterBeth · 27/09/2025 16:08

1apenny2apenny · 26/09/2025 12:53

Why does the flag of the country you live in make you feel uncomfortable? This is about your feelings being negative about it. What about those that just see a flag. Will the flags at the rugby this afternoon make you feel uncomfortable? What do you feel when you see the Palestinian flags that also seem
to be everywhere?

Why does the flag of the country you live in make you feel uncomfortable?

Because the campaign to fly them this summer en masse has been led by the racist agitator, Tommy Robinson.

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 16:05

Portakalkedi · 27/09/2025 15:46

Hope you also remove Palestinian and Pride flags, can't have anyone expressing their views via the medium of flag, can we? Except I guess it's only the England flag, in England, that bothers you.

It bothers me seeing lots of flags at half mast on lamp posts on a street. I feel that street is full of Tommy supporters of the worst kind and I feel worried about my safety and my car, if I had to park there - I won’t park there in reality in fact.
It bothers me seeing roundabouts vandalised with bad painting.
It really bothered me seeing a large swastika chalked in a supermarket car park.
Obviously I’m just unpatriotic eh.

PropertyD · 27/09/2025 16:01

Why wouldn’t you expect to see English flags in er - England? Please get a grip.

blacksax · 27/09/2025 16:00

St George's Cross is the national flag of England, and unless or until we get another one, it is what it is.

Can you imagine the reaction of the citizens of any other nation if their local council (or the equivalent) went round taking down their own national flag because it offended people who are not of that nationality?

Yes yes, I know it has been usurped by racists for their own despicable ends, but we need to wrestle it from their unpleasant grasp, and taking them all down is not going to achieve that. It will simply make the racists even more offensive than they already are.

MsJinks · 27/09/2025 15:59

SaratogaFilly · 27/09/2025 15:37

I do a lot of that @MsJinks, along with various other charitable volunteering activities. Plus we have always flown flags & ironically put bunting up for VE Day and left it for VJ day. We hadn’t gotten round to taking it down when this whole furore started, so made the conscious decision to leave the Union Jack bunting up. Make of that whatever you like but we are in no way racist & it’s out of order that people flying their national flag in their own country are called racist.

That’s really great. I also have seen bunting for events on streets, usually agreed in advance events with everything following whatever protocol, and it’s great, lovely.
But it’s disingenuous, or at best naive, to insist there is no agenda behind this wave of flags half mast on lamp posts.
To be honest whatever I had outside my home, if Tommy Robinson was recommending it to annoy migrants then I’d take it down and away, as I wouldn’t wish to be associated with it.
It’s a smart, slick, well organised (well funded) campaign by the far right - refusing to acknowledge that leaves others to form opinions on your reasons for actions (not meaning you personally btw, the broader ‘you’)
I have mentioned before a council worker being pushed off a ladder by one of these ‘patriots’ in case he was removing a flag - this isn’t your average street event participant behaviour.