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AIBU to feel angrey after Holland Park School open morning?

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GentleMintCat · 20/09/2025 18:07

I’m viewing a few secondary schools at the moment. We’ve seen some private ones (sadly not an option unless DD gets a huge bursary). Yesterday I went to see Holland Park School — which has always felt like our safest option since we live very close — but came out devastated and rather angry.

Yes, the grounds are gorgeous, with a shiny, modern building, a new sports pitch, and spacious classrooms with lovely views over Holland Park. But the atmosphere? Absolutely grim. The classrooms were deadly quiet — no energy, no spark, no laughter, no questions, no enthusiasm.

Alright, I guess that’s fine in maths or English, but even in drama, music, and art… in art, the children were like in a traditional exam setting, sitting at their desks, copying a dull sketch from the screen in complete silence, while the teacher walked around peering over their shoulders. I couldn’t sense a shred of creativity, joy, or curiosity in that room. It felt almost like a military camp. Even the bell sounded like a fire alarm — the sort you see in American prisons in films.

When I asked students what they loved about the school, they couldn’t answer. I rephrased and asked what was one thing they were excited about coming to school, but they seemed unsure. What they were actually excited to talk about was “refocus rooms,” detention room, and punishments. They really wanted us to see the detention room which was on the ground floor, a dark space with heavy black curtains where you’re sent for forgetting your planner, doodling in a workbook, wearing the wrong colour socks, missing a part of your uniform, or being two minutes late. This lovely, polite girl said she had already been there twice this year - once for doodling because she got carried away 'in a boring lesson' and another for forgetting her planner, which they have to carry with them at all times.

I went in Soviet school and honestly, even they didn’t have detention rooms. If anyone misbehaved, they would do extra fitness classes or some do some gardening and cleaning for school grounds, and parents were called in. I’m not saying that was better by any means, but honestly — how the hell have we normalised this? What are we thinking as a society, treating children like inmates inside schools, and then acting shocked when they go wild on the streets after being in this prison-like environment all day long?

All I want is a normal, happy school for my child. Is that too much to ask? And do I have to pay £30k a year to avoid this 'military silence + constant detentions'? Is that what we call a good education in the 21st century? I couldn’t stop thinking: what kind of young people will come out of this school environment — happy, curious, caring, loving, creative, enthusiastic and empathetic?

OP posts:
SunshineLollipopsAndRainbowsEverything · 20/09/2025 23:00

As part of a group of student teachers I went on a month’s exchange visit to Leningrad (as it was then) in 1973, to study their education system. It was during their school and college term. We had lectures in a teacher training college, so met other students, and visited schools.

I remember one infants classroom, where they were all painting landscapes - grass, trees, sky. One child painted a cottage in theirs. When we discussed the visit at the end of the day one of our group said she’d gone back to that classroom and the cottage had been painted out.

I know nothing about Holland Park but don’t think any parents should expect to see typical lively lessons when they tour schools as a group on open days. Having a constant stream of parents popping in can be very disruptive, and it’s reasonable for the teacher (and pupils) to have their attention taken up answering parents’ questions. Teachers giving their students a quiet task to get on with while this goes on can be a practical thing to do, even if it’s not their normal way of working.

Tortycatlover · 20/09/2025 22:52

GentleMintCat · 20/09/2025 18:26

And do you really think having this dark detention room is normal? - this is exactly where I see the problem.

Hmm, but would you want a detention room to be a nice place that a child would look forward to returning to on another occasion?

Shookethh · 20/09/2025 22:41

Then I recommend KAA, I have 2 children there doing their GCSE’s.

During year 11 they provide after school tutoring for free on certain days, which would cost me hundreds of pounds if I tried to find that for my children. I find that they are firm and fair but also not uber strict. They are right next to the swimming pool which they use for lessons in year 7.
They have a variety of after school clubs from sports to chess to design.
They also have a free breakfast club and an extra week off in October.

Miriabelle · 20/09/2025 22:39

Plenty more online about the issues besetting the school, which includes a massive scandal in 2022 followed by an “inadequate” Ofsted, an enforced merger into United Learning, and now more staffing disruption. This does not sound like a happy stable school with happy children and staff!

GentleMintCat · 20/09/2025 22:36

Shookethh · 20/09/2025 21:24

OP are you interest In hearing about the other schools in the borough?

Yes, very much so! All I want is a happy school with nurturing environment and a good crowd. Academically she's strong, creative and well behaved.

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NotOrange · 20/09/2025 22:33

I think schools are prison like now. In my area, talk of toilets being shuttered, children not allowed to go at all.

We have been involved in our local school for many years, and with several different head teachers with our children.

Now the parental talk, with children who had just purchased their uniform that evening, was all about punishments to given.

Nothing about a welcome, an exciting transition, from their lovely Primary.

It would have been a suitable talk for people on their first day in prison.

It’s now an Academy of course. Which weirdos own them?

It should never have been allowed.

MyLimeGuide · 20/09/2025 22:32

DancingMango · 20/09/2025 22:24

It has honestly been my experience, teaching over many years , at all levels & and across the socioeconomic spectrum, both in the UK and abroad , that if one works with young people kindly and creatively & foster an atmosphere of mutual respect in the classroom outcomes are optimal in every regard .

Absolutely agree, and in all of my experience of teaching too. The problem is a lot of "teachers" dont appear to possess kindness. There are 2 different types of teachers, the ones out for the kids, and the ones out for themselves. About 50/50 In my experience. Hence the clashing of opinion on this thread.

Miriabelle · 20/09/2025 22:29

Athena2025 · 20/09/2025 21:44

Holland Park school is substantially oversubscribed which indicates that many many parents do not view the school in the way you do. You should ask the school about how they manage discipline and speak with other parents. Seems a little unfair to name and criticise them on a public forum without raising this with them and giving them an opportunity to answer your questions.

Are you sure it’s oversubscribed given recent well-publicised scandals?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-61325597.amp

DancingMango · 20/09/2025 22:29

earphoneson · 20/09/2025 22:23

Happy, engaged children don’t misbehave!

What you described does sound quite boring and not suitable for teenagers.
Throughout my high school and university years, I doodled! It didn’t stop me from achieving high marks-in fact, it helped me because that’s how my brain works. I also was never punished for not having an item like a planner, nor did I have to wear a uniform. Misbehavior was addressed by simply sending students out of class, and that was the end of it. There were no detention rooms or other resources wasted, no shaming involved, and you were welcome to join the next lesson 40 minutes later. If you’re late - you’re marked as late, nothing more. That was in the '90s, and yes, not in the uk.
Non wonder so many children are struggling and then seeking diagnoses - it’s all too rigid, built only for one type of character/ brain wiring.

I think you’re receiving a lot of defensive replies because you mentioned Soviet schools (possibly being better even back in the day). Some people have pigeonholed you as a foreigner foremost and feel attacked, and they probably don’t even have a secondary school-aged child at the moment to comment realistically on the state of schools.

Completely agree
Doodling helps many people concentrate .
One of my students who achieved A* in 4 Science subjects at A level was an inveterate doodler

DancingMango · 20/09/2025 22:24

TaborlinTheGreat · 20/09/2025 22:15

That is one of the most staggeringly naïve and privileged comments about schools I have ever heard (up against plenty of stiff competition). I have worked in a wide range of schools, including lovely, leafy independents and tough London comps. No, kids do not just magically behave themselves if you believe in them. That's a fairytale.

It has honestly been my experience, teaching over many years , at all levels & and across the socioeconomic spectrum, both in the UK and abroad , that if one works with young people kindly and creatively & foster an atmosphere of mutual respect in the classroom outcomes are optimal in every regard .

WilsonRemain · 20/09/2025 22:24

The culture of HPS has been destroyed in the last few years. It's a great example of how bad academies can be. On the whole it was a decent school when RBKC controlled it. Although be glad you aren't Catholic as CVMS is even worse.

Toastea · 20/09/2025 22:23

GentleMintCat · 20/09/2025 21:00

What exactly is odd? Can you elaborate a bit? About the black curtains — yes, that’s what I saw yesterday. Children themselves confirmed that they’re sent to detention for small things. Is it odd that I’m sharing what I saw and how I felt about the school, or is it odd that someone shows a bit of critical thinking? And Labour politicians sending their kids to this school — what exactly does that tell you? Also, school had massive problems recently and they are working to improve, but this is not the way to improve, as I believe. I'll send the letter to governors and the head teacher. If we don't speak up, nothing will ever improve.

It was back in the 80s/90s when it was one of the schools politicians sent their children to. It was known for being chaotic and had poor standards, from what I remember (I had a friend who was there, but who left because of those issues). It's since become an academy.

Agree re strict and soulless systems. I don't know schools in that area of London, so can't suggest anything, but sympathies as there isn't always much choice.

I've heard good things about Marylebone Girls' and Marylebone Boys, both probably out of your way.

earphoneson · 20/09/2025 22:23

Happy, engaged children don’t misbehave!

What you described does sound quite boring and not suitable for teenagers.
Throughout my high school and university years, I doodled! It didn’t stop me from achieving high marks-in fact, it helped me because that’s how my brain works. I also was never punished for not having an item like a planner, nor did I have to wear a uniform. Misbehavior was addressed by simply sending students out of class, and that was the end of it. There were no detention rooms or other resources wasted, no shaming involved, and you were welcome to join the next lesson 40 minutes later. If you’re late - you’re marked as late, nothing more. That was in the '90s, and yes, not in the uk.
Non wonder so many children are struggling and then seeking diagnoses - it’s all too rigid, built only for one type of character/ brain wiring.

I think you’re receiving a lot of defensive replies because you mentioned Soviet schools (possibly being better even back in the day). Some people have pigeonholed you as a foreigner foremost and feel attacked, and they probably don’t even have a secondary school-aged child at the moment to comment realistically on the state of schools.

CalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 20/09/2025 22:17

You’ve seen snapshots of lessons. Being devasted and angry about orderly, calm, focused classrooms is ridiculous, unless you’ve not explained yourself fully. I’ve worked in schools where chairs were thrown at me and my colleagues. Now that’s something to be angry about.

MyLimeGuide · 20/09/2025 22:15

FancyQuoter · 20/09/2025 20:25

because decent parents teach their kids a bit of resilience and teach them to make the effort of having what they need and being on time.

We also don't believe that consequences are SHAMING anyone.

Being "devastated" because you get told off for being in the wrong?Wow, what kind of parents must they have to be so unprepared.

They can't be bothered to arrive on time in class? Then the consequence is detention, big deal Why should they be allowed to disrupt the class by turning up late for no reason?

Wow you are really upset about this thread aren't you!! "Decent parents" is that you then I guess? All hail you and your mean girl posts 👏

TaborlinTheGreat · 20/09/2025 22:15

Tiedbutchorestodo · 20/09/2025 20:25

But my point is that the girls at our school are well behaved and generally do conform / remember things without the overly firm discipline. They want to do well because they’re respected and valued as equals by their teachers. So on the odd occasion something is forgotten it’s not made into a big deal.

I don’t see why the firmness is needed - if you believe in the kids they’ll step up.

That is one of the most staggeringly naïve and privileged comments about schools I have ever heard (up against plenty of stiff competition). I have worked in a wide range of schools, including lovely, leafy independents and tough London comps. No, kids do not just magically behave themselves if you believe in them. That's a fairytale.

MyLimeGuide · 20/09/2025 22:07

FancyQuoter · 20/09/2025 20:15

parents who bang on about "creativity and enjoyment" always have the worst bullies, disruptive pain in the neck children of the school 😂

Why is that?

I have no idea? Please explain?

Araminta1003 · 20/09/2025 22:00

I have 4 DC who have been to state schools in London in the last ten years. The youngest is in Year 7. Not a single one of them has ever had a detention in their life, and this definitely includes schools with academy status. If there were a “scary” detention room they had never been to, they would probably be excited to show a visitor too. So how many of these kids desperate to see this room actually went there?
I have no idea what Holland Park is like these days. It was the darling of Tony Benn and then Gove sent his kids there. Schools can go “down” quickly under different leadership. That is why you look around and we are lucky to get a look in and a full open days in this country.
It is like looking at houses. If you do not like it, do not send your DC there.
I do not believe the OP does not have other options. Maybe further afield, but this is London and the birth rate is down. There will be other options. Perhaps a bit of travel, but options nevertheless.
This cancel culture around certain comprehensives on MN is getting a bit much. If you cannot afford private school, suck it up or move out of London to some leafy area.

EmeraldRoulette · 20/09/2025 21:51

@GentleMintCat i'm curious about something

You say that the girl was excited to show you the detention room, which was lined with black curtains, etc

Was it just her who was really keen to show you this?

I'm wondering if children try to get sent there because it gives them a break from sensory overload

I found your post quite strangely phrased, but that was the thing that really jumped out at me. If the detention room or the refocus room or whatever is the quietest and most chill place there, that tells you a lot

I actually quite like school, but when I look back on it, I don't know how I managed - total sensory overload all the time.

Happyjoe · 20/09/2025 21:49

Athena2025 · 20/09/2025 21:44

Holland Park school is substantially oversubscribed which indicates that many many parents do not view the school in the way you do. You should ask the school about how they manage discipline and speak with other parents. Seems a little unfair to name and criticise them on a public forum without raising this with them and giving them an opportunity to answer your questions.

Ask them how many suspensions and expulsions they hand out too.

Kikogub · 20/09/2025 21:45

SpanThatWorld · 20/09/2025 21:23

One was maybe 5 years ago. The other left after breaking down in a meeting around 3/4 years ago.

Ah. I wonder if things can change so much so quickly.

Athena2025 · 20/09/2025 21:44

Holland Park school is substantially oversubscribed which indicates that many many parents do not view the school in the way you do. You should ask the school about how they manage discipline and speak with other parents. Seems a little unfair to name and criticise them on a public forum without raising this with them and giving them an opportunity to answer your questions.

yellowduckredduck · 20/09/2025 21:44

I’m a teacher and a friend of mine used to teach at this school, she left after one year as was horrified at the stringent way the school
was run - all desks had to be laid out the same, strict limits on lesson plans etc. Lots of other schools are not like this, I would keep looking!

Cherryicecreamx · 20/09/2025 21:44

Funnily enough reminds me of my school but I didn't mind it. We had detention rooms, strict uniform code, had to carry our planners around too, but it did set us up to be organised. Having children follow authority kept a level of respect and bullying down also - in fact I don't remember of an incident. The school policy handled it well. Although your description sounds a bit drab it's good they can have a level of control over teenagers who could run riot.