To think most men are filthy losers

I don't believe that.

I've not read the article and I don't need to. I don't know one woman that's been sexually abused by another woman. I know lots of women that have been sexually abused by men.

Yes, that's lived experience rather than one published paper.

Yep. The funny part of this story is that the mother of this kid blamed the Government for the lock downs instead of the unfettered access to porn from a very young age.

Yeah, I'm a libertarian by nature. Do what you like as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

And the older I get the more I realise that people actually want to cause harm.

Free speech never has never meant indulging in criminal activities. Bestiality and child rape videos are illegal.

Some people pretend porn is something to do with free speech but of course it is not and cannot be because the entire industry is based on coercion and involves drug fuelled rape and sexual slavery. Since pornography involves underage rape and many other illegal activities and cannot be separated from those activities it cannot be included under the umbrella of free speech no matter if someone disingenuously claims otherwise.

People who try to conflate steering clear of authoritarianism with sex rape industries, child rape videos and bestiality - for example - are not actually in favour of free speech at all. They are not even libertarians, they're just criminals looking for a way to justify their activities.

Free speech is the right to express opinions and ideas without censorship, but it does not cover criminal acts, and never has, despite what some may claim.

Yup, an acquaintance I know has just had the federal police knocking on her door looking for her son (19 ) who was viewing child porn & bestiality. This kid was a private school Dux & champion social justice campaigner. The story goes he fell down a porn rabbit hole during COVID. Faced with loads of empty hours, the 'thrills' needed were like heroin, requiring an upping of the ante culminating in this horrendous outcome.

I'm not so sure it's just men, but what we as a society allow to normalise that degenirates humans to this extent.

Of course the 'free speech' crowd will tell you any limitations are normalising 'authoritarianism'. Never minding the slaves men become to porn.

Thank you for this. It’s unfortunate that almost every thread here has the whataboutism of “what about if men posted this?” It’s so nonsensical and tiresome.

As if you can equate a conversation by women - the smaller sex that carries the young and is vulnerable to tremendous abuse - to the same conversation by men. I wish the equating would stop!

And I wish women would not make these comparisons! As a woman, don’t be too cool to acknowledge you are of the oppressed class! You can love men and not agree with OP but don’t deny that there are massive differences between us women and men. You simply can’t make a reversal and draw a comparison.

A man bashing thread on mumsnet, how original

Yup, an acquaintance I know has just had the federal police knocking on her door looking for her son (19 ) who was viewing child porn & bestiality. This kid was a private school Dux & champion social justice campaigner. The story goes he fell down a porn rabbit hole during COVID. Faced with loads of empty hours, the 'thrills' needed were like heroin, requiring an upping of the ante culminating in this horrendous outcome.

I'm not so sure it's just men, but what we as a society allow to normalise that degenirates humans to this extent.

Of course the 'free speech' crowd will tell you any limitations are normalising 'authoritarianism'. Never minding the slaves men become to porn.

I'm going through the menopause, so have a low libido at the moment, which might explain my disgust. I don't know. I didn't use to be a prude, but I'm feeling more and more annoyed these days by men and their general behaviour.

I have a few male friends who, to varying degrees, always manage to slip in an innuendo or even an outright sexual remark. And out of politeness, or not wanting to cause a scene, I smile or roll my eyes in jest. I can only think of one occasion when I told a bloke to stop, and he REALLY took the hump. This was a married man who pursued me, but then said he was just joking and that I took myself too seriously. In fact, he got very angry.

I have lots of personal issues at the moment. Mad stuff. One of these issues lead to me googling my ex.

Well, the filth I found was disturbing. Men, thousands of them, masturbating online. I can only think they're doing it in front of each other. Becsuse there can't be many women wanting to sit and watch them. Surely? My ex was one of them.

I'm not talking about Only Fans where people pay. I'm talking about sex webcam stuff where men seem to just be filming themselves wanking. And watching each other. I don't even think it's gay. These are heterosexual men doing it for free. All ages.

Maybe I'm naïve.

But it's been a real eye opener for me.

I always knew men watched porn. But sitting there filming themselves and watching each other. It's madness.

I really do think that we, as women, spend our time worrying, working, caring, thinking, planning... and men just do the stuff thry have to do and then go back to messing with themselves or pestering women. Including their wives. And they keep having to up the limit because they can't get excited uness it's something really vile.

How many of us have felt obliged to have sex with a man, a partner, to avoid his anger, sulking, grumpiness. We've chosen sex as the lesser of two evils when we didn't want it.

It's not a human right, is it? They need to calm the fuck down.

Maybe I'm being unreasonable and grumpy, but I just think most of them ming.

It's not just Munchausen by proxy sadly : women ARE more likely to physically abuse children, at least according to this article. But they tend to be less violent than men who physically abuse, and less likely to cause severe injury. Obvs still terrible.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=scholarworks.gvsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1825%26context%3Dhonorsprojects&ved=2ahUKEwjJ4rrulMiPAxXagv0HHVugLhMQFnoECE0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3GuykwYRg_ZqL9OaeLu1rF

It's not just Munchausen by proxy sadly : women ARE more likely to physically abuse children, at least according to this article. But they tend to be less violent than men who physically abuse, and less likely to cause severe injury. Obvs still terrible.

www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=scholarworks.gvsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1825%26context%3Dhonorsprojects&ved=2ahUKEwjJ4rrulMiPAxXagv0HHVugLhMQFnoECE0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw3GuykwYRg_ZqL9OaeLu1rF

And yes, you are quite correct of course, men are the main child rapists and batterers by a long shot. I suspect they are referring to Munchausen by Proxy which is about the only area that women stand out in re child abuse, and mainly because they are the main carers of children (not that I am trying to legitimise women abusing their children ever for any reason of course).

I just couldn't be arsed responding to this person as they were being deliberately obtuse, disingenous and derailing.

Yes. It's a commonplace myth that testosterone promotes aggression. It doesn't. What it promotes is:
Libido
Impulsiveness
Competitiveness.
It's easy to understand how this combination readily leads to violent behaviour, sexual and other. But the aggression and violence come from an inability to manage testosterone-mediated feelings. This can be taught; it's seemingly not taught well enough, often enough.
As a kicker, engaging in violence increases testosterone.

It would be very nice if the sexes could meet in the middle!

In species where females are aggressive (lions, for a popular example), they kill each other's young for competitive reasons and also kill their own weaker offspring. Since human reproduction is slow and resource-intensive, it's possible women have evolved lower levels of these qualities so we don't go round murdering all the babies. We don't need so many kids these days so we're ready for meet-in-the-middle evolution, if Nature would hurry up and oblige 😏

Women certainly don't commit the majority of child sexual abuse. I assume you mean physical abuse?

Sadly @fightbackorriseabove I have to agree with you. It's not all men, but most. Even the 'good' ones have misogyny ingrained deeply into their veins. And yes, they think having sex is a right for them. And God forbid you rebuff a random man's advances, you get called slut, whore, bitch, cunt, all manner of names. Most of them also have the potential to be violent and aggressive. (Some are.)

Fuck knows why girls and young women have the idea drummed into them that they 'must get a man!' Many men are more trouble than they're worth. No wonder some women are staying single these days, (once they have left a bad relationship.) And some younger women stay single full stop. Even the younger women who end up in a couple/staying coupled up, are choosing to not have children. They are wising up. For most women, once children come along, it's a life of domestic drudgery, because most men do fuck-all (as you said,) except the very basics. And your career is affected, and your earning potential, because you will ALWAYS be regarded as the primary carer.

And many men do NOT like to look after women when they are ill. Even my own DH who is relatively OK as men go, rolls his eyes and huffs and puffs when I am ill (very rarely I am ill too,) and moans because he has to wait on me for a day or two. I dread ever getting very ill and infirm (when he is still OK,) because I think he will resent looking after me. As well as having to do everything else/all the life admin/housework/domestic duties.

It's no surprise that a lot of men fuck off and leave their wife if she becomes very ill and unable to take care of herself. (eg; if she gets cancer, alzheimers, parkinsons, MS etc.) Women are far more likely to stay if their husband becomes ill, even if the marriage is average, or not good. Men are more likely to leave if it's the woman is ill, even if the marriage is OK.

It's in mens genes to be selfish, self centred, and lazy. And yes, many of them are sex mad, and porn mad, and the men in their 40s, 50s and 60s (and even older,) feel entitled to attention from women half their age. They think women their own age are repugnant and 'past it' but think they are still attractive, as well as hot, sexy, youthful, charming, and funny. (LMFAO!) Men also make up the vast majority of thugs, violent attackers, and killers.

Seriously, they do not deserve women!

Right. I keep hearing this bizarre, illogical comparison on mumsnet. Some women really are other women's worst enemy.

Comparing men to other demographics simply does not work because men ALREADY incorporate ALL other demographics as do women. Women and men are the only two demographics which can never and do never incorporate one another's demograpic.

Men/women stand completely alone as a demographic as two halves of the human race, each containing all other demographic traits - race, age, etc - within their groups. They are NOT isolated categories like race or class, rendering the comparison of the group "men" with the group "race" absolutely meaningless.

And furthermore men as a sex class have been irrefutably proven throughout our entire recorded history and in all cultures and geographies to be dangerous to women as a sex class.

No other demographic - religion, race, age, class, ethnicity, or culture - shows a comparable, consistent pattern of danger towards women as a group.

I am sick of this illogical nonsense by women who throw other under the bus to gain male cookies.

I've read arguments that men's tendency to more sexual and violent misdemeanours than women is the price we have to pay for them bring more daring on average so taking career risks & dangerous jobs. Personally I wish men & women could all be more in the middle.

Women certainly don't commit the majority of child sexual abuse. I assume you mean physical abuse?

Manpanderers.

You do realise that women commit the majority of child abuse, right? Not 98% but still pretty shocking considering we're supposedly the ones with the maternal instinct. But the percentage is irrelevant in a way because we've no way of knowing which women we can trust around children. It's like the 'one poisoned sweet in the bowl' analogy.

The reality is that most us don't view the world in terms of male/female. A Jewish woman will identify more with a Jewish man over a Muslim woman in most cases. Similarly, a female antifa probs wouldn't feel much sisterhood with a female Reform voter.

For the majority of women the person they trust the most is a man. Usually their partner or husband. Statistically most women nowadays reject feminism in favour of 'equality' or 'egalitarianism'. Because let's be honest, any poor bloke whose fortune was in the hands of some of the posters ITT would have good reason to be worried!

How many sex offenders have you helped put behind bars then?

Ever worked in construction or the waste industry? I can tell you first hand that none of the women that moan about male dominated industries actually want to do the hard graft.

Very few people have it easy nowadays, including men. If you're obsessing over crime stats then it usually means you're privileged enough to not have to worry about surviving day to day life, because nobody is worrying about being murdered when they can't put food on the table or are facing eviction.

The exception to this would be genuine survivors of sexual assault but usually it's just some middle class university educated white woman that thinks she's hard done by lol.

How many sex offenders have you helped put behind bars then?

Ever worked in construction or the waste industry? I can tell you first hand that none of the women that moan about male dominated industries actually want to do the hard graft.

Very few people have it easy nowadays, including men. If you're obsessing over crime stats then it usually means you're privileged enough to not have to worry about surviving day to day life, because nobody is worrying about being murdered when they can't put food on the table or are facing eviction.

The exception to this would be genuine survivors of sexual assault but usually it's just some middle class university educated white woman that thinks she's hard done by lol.

Men are far too highly sexed. The world would be an altogether better place if their sex drives were less high. They need to invent some kind of bromide to put in the water supply that only affects male libidos with no side effects llol 😂

If men spent as much time doing housework or whatever instead of jerking off / shagging people, many relationships would be significantly better…..