Katie Price and the rift with her kids?

Also whenever she poses with her sister she always picks the most unflattering pictures of her poor sister with no makeup on, greasy scraped back hair , dowdy clothes and her glasses on. Meanwhile KP has photoshopped herself next to her beyond all recognition looking like a filtered, painted mannequin that's been tasered. Her sister ironically looks prettier .

Isn't it just....

Ignorance is bliss

Nobody is calling your experience "spurious" . I am though, calling KPs spurious, and I won't budge from that.

I completely agree with you.

I think she poses seductively on purpose to appeal to all sorts of fetishist's. If you look at pictures of her with horses she does it too... You can see exactly what she's trying to allude to (for god knows what sickos) that's how low she'll stoop. Thinking people will get something out of her posing seductively with her big adult son and animals. There's no low she won't stoop to. Unfortunately for her (although she can't see it as she's a narcissist and thinks she really does have every man panting) she's not attractive and looks dreadful nowadays.

Also the common trope of "she used to be a naturally stunning/beautiful woman" KP was never "beautiful" : she was 'pleasant' looking in her youth.

"spurious SA allegations" is a terrible thing to say, when you really have no idea....

It's so easy for everyone to keep hurling nasty accusations and judgements at KP when we don't really know what happened to her in childhood.

Just because on the surface, it seems she had a loving family and background, doesn't mean she wasn't abused in some way by someone.

When I was a child I had been regularly abused by grandfather.
SA at age 14 whilst on holiday.
SA at age 15 by a friend of my dad's.

No one knew until I told, years later.
I went off the rails for years but with good therapy, managed to sort myself out.

If someone had called my SA "spurious", I would have been devastated and immensely affected.

You never saw her complaining about being up in the night with the children because she never was. Harvey was looked after by his maternal grandmother before going into residential care and the other children had their fathers or nannies.
People believe the stories she gives to the tabloids who merely cut and paste ‘facts’ ad nauseum, so they sort of become the truth, iyswim. These are the people who say, ’yes, she’s troubled, but she’s a lovely mum to Harvey.’ Imagine if a man in his forties posted pictures of himself on social media, naked, nestled up in bed with his adult special needs daughter while she slept. There would be an absolute uproar, so why is it alright for Price to do it? The sight of her with her bare breasts pressed up against Harvey, trying to look sexy for the camera isn’t ’sweet’ or ‘showing a close bond’, it’s completely inappropriate.

I believe they were placed with Kieran’s mum.

And Harvey has limited capacity to understand how he's being portrayed, he probably doesn't care my son wouldn't either.

In fairness though, Kerry Katona has had a evidenced shit life and upbringing. Her mother is a total waste of space and was a drug addict and Kerry was bought up in the care system. Mum only came out of the woodwork when she knew Kerry had money.

Poor Kerry's life and relationships have been a mess : but I can kind of see why.

KP on the other hand hasn't got that excuse. Her brother and sister are well turned out individuals and she had a loving upbringing. The only thing she clings onto are some spurious SA allegations.....

Exactly.

Watch videos carefully: she's mocking him in an underhand way that falls just below the radar. In one video I recall you can see princess locking eyes with her mum and both sniggering and trying to stifle it whilst he's rocking back and forth with some humiliating "gift" she's bought him plonked on his head.

I think she's a "feeder" too and enjoys watching him gorge on food that he should have limited with his Prada Willi and obesity. He's a heart attack and stroke just waiting to happen.

Also, there's very much a link with the multiple conditions Harvey was born with and drug taking /drinking during pregnancy. There is evidence of KP doing those things whilst pregnant with him. It's not a totally wild accusation to wonder if her behaviour during pregnancy may have had an adverse affect on a developing foetus. However much people can convey fake shock and awe at saying these things just because they don't like how it sounds.

Some of the pictures of her drunk (and god knows what else ) while she was pregnant with him were saddening to see. Falling out of nightclub's in mini skirts.

It's besides the point I know, but taking a 17yrs old virginity whilst heavily pregnant with another (AWOL) man's baby then bragging about it, shows how much of a priority preparing to be a 'new mum' was for her.

Also Harvey is autistic and has verbal ticks and 'love you mum/mummy' is one of them. If you watch you can see , he says it when overstimulated/excited/nervous and it's unrelated to the context.

Example: "Harveeeey bear, are you going to have your hair cut today ?'

Harvey: "yes mum. Love you mum."

KP" Harvey I've told you about shutting those doors "

Interrupts before she has finished "yes mum. Love you mum " (whilst rocking)

I know it's a tick as my DH has the same one and it really annoys me as there's no sincerity in it.

@BadDinner I’m speculating slightly based on what I recall being said at the time (a long while ago) but PA was keen to keep a relationship with Harvey but wanted KP to fund his care when with him and she declined to. Something along those lines.

Yes, neither would I. But to be fair, neither of our incomes or lives revolve around the media. To look after him, she needed cash. She had one major avenue to get it and that was through the media.

It was also totally acceptable at the time for celebrities to sell stories regarding their parenting and lifestyle to magazines. KP was was far from the only one. Kerry Katona was another one. All the ex girl band and minor celebs and TV personalities were at it. Even major celebs actually. It got to the point that when a celeb couple married or had a baby, people would speculate how much they would get paid for the photos and interview. OK! and Hello magazine constantly had the wedding and 'inside the life of' spreads. Attitudes have changed somewhat today.

So I don't think KP did anything unusual and probably raised attention for a very rare condition few knew of. Prader Willi syndrome was something I'm sure many had never heard of with many saying he was just obese.

One thing though it was a shame that Peter Andre seemed to drop out of his life. I think PA said he really wanted to see him but it was due to Katie. He wanted to adopt him during the marriage apparently, but I'm not sure why he didn't. Maybe that was down to Dwight.

I don't know if this critique is fair. Not having a go, I just don't know how realistic it is. You have people in care who eat through the entire equity of their home in a few years. I doubt Katie was making so much money she could have afforded elite care for Harvey for life as well as provision for the rest of her kids.

The question is, how much money has Katie made in her career? A few million, tens of millions, hundreds?

I don't know actually how old Harvey is, or how long he will live with his disabilities but even a million or so would eventually be eaten through with high level private care with a normalish lifespan, unless she had invested incredibly well.

State funded social care should be available for all, no one should have to work all their lives and use all the assets they could have left their children to pay for it. It ought to be better, just like nursery provision should be better.

But I could be very wrong regarding KP and H it's a valid question.

It's not about acknowledging Harvey needed more care then she could give him its the fact she exploited him and continues to exploit him for money that isn't the actions of a good mother
I'm also the parent of a teenager with complex disabilities, I don't drag him around for publicity or talk about his intimate care needs on TV.

Oh wow.

Total self-sabotage and destruct mode on steroids🤦🏽‍♀️

Peter Andre loved her, but you cannot save someone or love someone out of acting out trauma like this. You can never love them enough. I bet she was either drunk, high, or did it to get back at him for something but just didn't understand the implications. KP does not understand or trust love. If she has it she will destroy it, because she doesn't think it's real or deserves it or even understands it. All of which might be understandable.

Poor girl. Whatever happened to her must of been bad. Then she compounded it by choosing a career based on sex based exploitation, like so many emotionally wounded women do. You get lots of 'love' and 'attention' and you think that's what you're good at.

This doesn't excuse her behaviour, but I suspect she has a personality disorder of some kind perhaps coupled with something else on top of everything else.

I don't like people saying she was a bad mother to Harvey or she was wrong to eventually give him up to 24/7 care. He has highly complex needs. Acknowledging she can no longer meet his needs and seeking good outside help and provision for him is a loving act of a parent.

I remember being impressed at her devotion to him. She was young and had a very disabled mixed raced child and I remember her taking him with her to locations where she was working abroad and being very proud of him. She didn't, to my recollection, complain about sleepless nights etc. Considering her status at the time, it revealed she did have a softer side.

But what I don't think some people realise is that having kids when you have severe past trauma, sometimes there's a competition to get your own neglected needs met (however dysfunctionally) with the massive attention and devotion children need. As you get older it either gets easier or harder.

Women get so much flack for giving their children to the fathers. I don't think it's fair.

Yep I agree I don’t think she has any depth of emotion. She seems to be able to move on from people, pets and houses very easily. And whilst I’m no fan of Peter Andre he obviously loves the limelight as does she I don’t think she was nice to him at all so in turn he was horrible to her they both brought out the worst in each other. However he’s gone on to be happily married and raise a stable family whilst she’s gone on from one disaster to another dragging the kids along with her. She leaves a trail of bankruptcy frustration and burnt bridges in her wake wherever she goes.

Listen, I had a pretty horrendous childhood. But I don't behave the way KP does. Multiple children by different blokes (because she 'loves the newborn phase'), multiple drink driving convictions, animal neglect, constantly chasing the limelight & excessive plastic surgery that makes her look bloody ridiculous

Her biggest failing imo is the failure to secure Harvey and the other childrens financial futures. .Harvey could have had the best of care either at home full time or in a care facility. Instead of which he is at the mercy of state funding and she is having to fight for support like the rest of us. And believe me it is a bloody hard slog to even get the most basic support
She threw way what could have been a wonderful future for Harvey which us v sad indeed.

I feel so sorry for the two youngest.
I saw that awful clip with the step mother (if you can call her that) shouting and throwing food at them.

When I think about the opportunities the advantage of having rich famous parents can bring one, with the money and networking opportunities twinned with a massive dose of nepotism, I agree it is depressing to see them often choose a career in exploitopia.

There are so many amazing careers one could go into. Many, many people go to university, work hard and never get a break in the industry they are passionate about and trained hard for because it's difficult to pierce through the often tightly closed network in elite careers and it takes money and getting exposure to the right people and being in the right places. You see these people doing jobs they had no intention of landing up in simply because they must pay to live.

I remember Stella McCartney getting flack as a Nepo baby, but at least she did something arguably inspiring to those who are into high fashion with her connections which took effort and a certain expertise.

You mean laying in bed with him naked and posting it online?

Or all the times she kisses him on the mouth and asks him “who’s the best mum in the world Harvey?” to post online?

Or pulling him out of his safe and structured care placement to drag him around on “holiday” with the sacked social worker as his carer whilst she gets yet another procedure done and posting it all online?

Or was it all the times she’s made him swear on video and posted that online too?

Oh and don’t forget the time she had a big fight with her ex and ran to his house causing carnage in the middle of the night with police turning up - That must have made him feel really safe!

Yeah sure, those years count for something alright!

And used him for publicity ?

What about all the years she cared for Harvey? Does that count for nothing?

I’m not a fan of Peter Andre, but I think he’s a good dad and has been the only stable and safe parent that any of her kids have ever known. He loved Harvey and would have likely remained in his life if Katie hadn’t stopped him. Poor Jet and Bunny are stuck between her and their sex addict father. She lost custody of her four younger kids and Princess and Junior are right to keep her at arms length professionally if they want to succeed. She’d never turn up to support them, she just wants to take over any event she can muscle in on. I’d be absolutely humiliated if my mum turned up drinking and taking drugs with her tits spilling out of whatever transparent top she’d managed to stuff herself into.

This is a woman who left her youngest kids to fend for themselves on Christmas Day because she was so out of it. Her youngest daughter ended up cooking herself noodles for Christmas dinner because she was so hungry. I don’t care what “trauma” she paints herself as having in life, there’s no excuse for that level of horrific parenting and it really annoys me that people give her sympathy.