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The hatred towards cyclists/horse riders etc

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RH1234 · 06/08/2025 17:53

Following on from a conversation on another thread; AIBU to think that the hatred towards all cyclists/other road users I.e. horses is completely atrocious and unjustified.

Lots of people will make comments about “I bet they were in Lycra”, “I dislike road cyclists”, “they don’t even pay road tax”.

My question is not; do you hate cyclists. My question is why do you hate me someone you have not met) as a cyclist?

For perspective:

  1. I pay VED (Road tax doesn’t exist) on 3 vehicles.
  2. I have insurance for my bikes - which includes public liability etc. My cycle insurance is genuinely more expensive than my car, I also have free insurance through British Cycling.
  3. I don’t run red lights (for transparency, I have been through one red light, floor sensors don’t pick up carbon fibre, it was 5am, after waiting a few minutes, with no cars I went through)
  4. I cycle an average of 19-23mph, I can overtake tractors near me, I’m smaller than a tractor surely you can pass me.
  5. I do ride two abreast if in a group, but if passing is difficult, as per the Highway Code we ensure you can pass when safe.
  6. When riding on my own, I wave cars past so they can often go before they can see.
  7. Yes I wear Lycra - but you try cycling 100 miles without decent chamois in place. I won’t mention leg hair as that’s a whole different subject for you.
  8. My wife use to love cycling, but won’t ride on the road now due to the drivers attitudes.

AIBU to be annoyed that I don’t do any of the things people moan about, yet people will hate me, some people will hurl abuse, some people will literally try and drive me off the road (luckily not that often for the last one)

All I want is, to enjoy the sport I’m love, get fit and then spend the time with my family. Yet my wife has said to me, she is anxious when I’m out and follows me on find my iPhone, because she’s terrified someone will one day leave me for dead in a ditch.

Surely a two minute delay is not unreasonable? I don’t judge based on hobbies or backgrounds, why am I judged?

AIBU in thinking that those who state they hate cyclists clearly are either media influenced or just plain horrible people.

Apologies, this has turned into more of a rant than a AIBU, but I’m sure you get the gist.

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mintydoggyv · 07/08/2025 18:07

TheSwarm · 07/08/2025 17:54

What risk?

The two sets of people were able to see each other, the cyclist was not going particularly quickly to start with and slowed down as she approached and went past the dog walker.

Absolutely no justification for what happened at all.

Edited

Is it a wide path, we have a path which is narrow and not many walkers , l have a westie and walkers only one or two, why push someone into the canel they might not be able to swim . With cyclists on the Oxford to Banbury canal near oxford cyclist slow and stop , even ask where they are, get off and walk , this is nice a shared space

Ponderingwindow · 07/08/2025 18:06

The cyclist was going far too fast and stopped far too close to the pedestrians. I would have been terrified in that situation. It’s not the pedestrians job to jump out of her way. She should not have been assaulted, but she isn’t an innocent victim in this incident.

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 18:04

TheSwarm · 07/08/2025 17:54

What risk?

The two sets of people were able to see each other, the cyclist was not going particularly quickly to start with and slowed down as she approached and went past the dog walker.

Absolutely no justification for what happened at all.

Edited

from the article

"Footage from the cyclist's bike camera shows Klaudia braking in front of the couple as one of them appears to shout for her to 'slow down'. The 34-year-old can be heard protesting that they have a dog but the man angrily retorted 'yeah but you're on a f**king bike'."

So she was going fast enough and did not slow down quick enough for the pedestrian to believe he was at risk, and at no point did she stop.

As for risk.
Width of the path.
Speed of the bike.
Width of the handle bars and pedals.
The dog.
Her position on the path.
His position of the path.

There are more. but if you think that this situation was risk free then I hope that you don't ride a bike or drive a car.

and again I haven't justified what he did, he was wrong.

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:01

TheSwarm · 07/08/2025 17:54

What risk?

The two sets of people were able to see each other, the cyclist was not going particularly quickly to start with and slowed down as she approached and went past the dog walker.

Absolutely no justification for what happened at all.

Edited

For a brief second, I thought I’d watched a different video to above comments, then you replied.

Thankfully, whilst I admitted to being “nuts” and “annoying” in earlier posts, at least I still appear to have my marbles haha

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TheSwarm · 07/08/2025 17:54

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 17:17

He shouldn't have pushed her and if he is identified and caught, he will no doubt be prosecuted.

But once again you have a cyclist that believes that they did nothing wrong.
Did they deserve to be pushed in to the canal? once again No, but taking the hierarchy of road usage she should have been more aware of the greater risk that she posed to the pedestrians and acted accordingly.

What risk?

The two sets of people were able to see each other, the cyclist was not going particularly quickly to start with and slowed down as she approached and went past the dog walker.

Absolutely no justification for what happened at all.

childofthe607080s · 07/08/2025 17:38

Tribalism - base human nature. Hatred of other. Hatred of different.

coupled with a little guilt at the exercise and low carbon footprint that they don’t care about at all but it still niggles in their brain

and in many cases a feeling of inadequacy with a pumped ego when they get in a car

of course the cyclist must recall that not all drivers are idiots and it’s only the dangerous aggressive idiots that you notice

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 17:31

And of course people wouldn't have the same opinion if she hadn't been on a bike because she wouldn't have posed the same risk to other path users.

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 17:28

OP no one is trying to justify pushing her in the canal. But surely you can see that there is more to riding safely than just not hitting someone?! I had a near miss with a bus that pulled out in front of me. But it didn't hit me so that's ok, right?

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 17:26

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 17:24

Likely stopped and let them pass… what’s your point?

My point is that she would have done the same thing with someone that couldn't move as fast and was taking up the whole path.

She is not a saint and needs to rethink how she rides.

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 17:24

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 17:23

She hit no one, she stopped when they didn’t move over.
He hurled abuse because she’s was a cyclist and then pushed her in the canal.

where’s the justification?

If you read what I posted you would see that I said that he was wrong.

The difference between you and me is that she clearly scared these people as well, so she was also wrong.

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 17:24

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 17:22

Makes you wonder what she would have done if it had been a wheelchair user!

Edited

Likely stopped and let them pass… what’s your point?

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RH1234 · 07/08/2025 17:23

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 17:17

He shouldn't have pushed her and if he is identified and caught, he will no doubt be prosecuted.

But once again you have a cyclist that believes that they did nothing wrong.
Did they deserve to be pushed in to the canal? once again No, but taking the hierarchy of road usage she should have been more aware of the greater risk that she posed to the pedestrians and acted accordingly.

She hit no one, she stopped when they didn’t move over.
He hurled abuse because she’s was a cyclist and then pushed her in the canal.

where’s the justification?

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FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 17:22

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 17:18

Whether you think it’s suitable or not:

“Today, this Manchester canal is a green link from the city centre to Ashton-under-Lyne, bordered by an interesting mix of modern and industrial architecture. Improvements to the towpath have made it into a pleasant route, accessible to walkers, cyclists and wheelchair users.” from the River Canal Trust.

Most people don’t want cyclists on the road, shall we magically pedal to make them fly? As you’re literally leaving no options…

Makes you wonder what she would have done if it had been a wheelchair user!

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 17:18

Gloriia · 07/08/2025 17:14

Yeah never any excuse for pushing someone into a canal! That path however is very narrow and obviously unsuitable for cyclists.

Whether you think it’s suitable or not:

“Today, this Manchester canal is a green link from the city centre to Ashton-under-Lyne, bordered by an interesting mix of modern and industrial architecture. Improvements to the towpath have made it into a pleasant route, accessible to walkers, cyclists and wheelchair users.” from the River Canal Trust.

Most people don’t want cyclists on the road, shall we magically pedal to make them fly? As you’re literally leaving no options…

Cycling | Canal Activities | Canal & River Trust

Cycling alongside one of Britain's stunning canals and rivers is a great way to get active and enjoy a day out. Discover the scenic routes with our guide.

https://canalrivertrust.org.uk/things-to-do/cycling

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FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 17:17

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 16:43

Again thanks for all the replies, great reading and interesting justifications.

Interestingly, a post on social media is where a cyclist was pushed off her bike into the canal. A significant number of the comments state: “good it’s a cyclist”, “they should have stopped”, “they should have slowed down”. All trying to justify why this cyclist deserved it.

Watching the video, the cyclist physically stopped their bike, whilst receiving abuse, then was pushed into the canal, unable to get out.

The route the cyclist was on was a towpath (not the road - lots of comments on here have expressed using cycle paths etc)

Even more interesting, the cyclist was a female, clearly targeted for cycling.

If this incident had happened without her on a bike, I guarantee there would be uproar and a hunt for the chap, rather than the “they deserved it”.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mum-traumatised-after-dog-walker-32200394.amp

He shouldn't have pushed her and if he is identified and caught, he will no doubt be prosecuted.

But once again you have a cyclist that believes that they did nothing wrong.
Did they deserve to be pushed in to the canal? once again No, but taking the hierarchy of road usage she should have been more aware of the greater risk that she posed to the pedestrians and acted accordingly.

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 17:15

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 16:58

He shouldn't have pushed her but she was far from faultless there. She was going at some speed and only braked at the last minute. She should have slowed right down when she saw people up ahead on such a narrow path. I wouldn't have done what he did but I would be pretty annoyed if a cyclist approached me like that! As a cyclist I would have stopped in good time and allowed them to pass.

Perception of speed is just that, your perception and my perception. She didn’t hit them, she stopped before them, therefore she rode safe for her. They made no effort to move, then pushed. There is literally no justification for what happened to her.

As I say, if she was on a bike and running, would you have the same opinion, no. Funny enough the guy would have just stepped to the side, like he should have done in this case.

There is literally no justification.

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Gloriia · 07/08/2025 17:14

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 16:43

Again thanks for all the replies, great reading and interesting justifications.

Interestingly, a post on social media is where a cyclist was pushed off her bike into the canal. A significant number of the comments state: “good it’s a cyclist”, “they should have stopped”, “they should have slowed down”. All trying to justify why this cyclist deserved it.

Watching the video, the cyclist physically stopped their bike, whilst receiving abuse, then was pushed into the canal, unable to get out.

The route the cyclist was on was a towpath (not the road - lots of comments on here have expressed using cycle paths etc)

Even more interesting, the cyclist was a female, clearly targeted for cycling.

If this incident had happened without her on a bike, I guarantee there would be uproar and a hunt for the chap, rather than the “they deserved it”.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mum-traumatised-after-dog-walker-32200394.amp

Yeah never any excuse for pushing someone into a canal! That path however is very narrow and obviously unsuitable for cyclists.

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 16:58

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 16:43

Again thanks for all the replies, great reading and interesting justifications.

Interestingly, a post on social media is where a cyclist was pushed off her bike into the canal. A significant number of the comments state: “good it’s a cyclist”, “they should have stopped”, “they should have slowed down”. All trying to justify why this cyclist deserved it.

Watching the video, the cyclist physically stopped their bike, whilst receiving abuse, then was pushed into the canal, unable to get out.

The route the cyclist was on was a towpath (not the road - lots of comments on here have expressed using cycle paths etc)

Even more interesting, the cyclist was a female, clearly targeted for cycling.

If this incident had happened without her on a bike, I guarantee there would be uproar and a hunt for the chap, rather than the “they deserved it”.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mum-traumatised-after-dog-walker-32200394.amp

He shouldn't have pushed her but she was far from faultless there. She was going at some speed and only braked at the last minute. She should have slowed right down when she saw people up ahead on such a narrow path. I wouldn't have done what he did but I would be pretty annoyed if a cyclist approached me like that! As a cyclist I would have stopped in good time and allowed them to pass.

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 16:43

Again thanks for all the replies, great reading and interesting justifications.

Interestingly, a post on social media is where a cyclist was pushed off her bike into the canal. A significant number of the comments state: “good it’s a cyclist”, “they should have stopped”, “they should have slowed down”. All trying to justify why this cyclist deserved it.

Watching the video, the cyclist physically stopped their bike, whilst receiving abuse, then was pushed into the canal, unable to get out.

The route the cyclist was on was a towpath (not the road - lots of comments on here have expressed using cycle paths etc)

Even more interesting, the cyclist was a female, clearly targeted for cycling.

If this incident had happened without her on a bike, I guarantee there would be uproar and a hunt for the chap, rather than the “they deserved it”.

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mum-traumatised-after-dog-walker-32200394.amp

Mum 'traumatised' after dog walker pushes her in canal as she cycled to work

Greater Manchester Police are investigating after the incident near Manchester city centre

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/mum-traumatised-after-dog-walker-32200394.amp

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mintydoggyv · 07/08/2025 14:05

NotTerfNorCis · 07/08/2025 12:59

I dislike cyclists because they're a dangerous nuisance, but the level of vengeance makes me feel slightly sorry for the guy. 😃

Maybe l was a bit heavy , l do cycle and drive not anti cyclist , my camera in the back of the car see him head down missed the rear of my car and hit rear door and passenger door 2 new doors , he never looked , my insurance dealt with the cyclist , he had no insurance and my insurance followed through with him having to pay he refused so the insurance sent in bailiffs, l told the story a bit wrong , but l at um about 9 pounds a month have cycle insurance even if l die by being hit by a car . So if l upset you sorry NotTer William l am not anti cycle as at 80 l do cycle.

ViciousCurrentBun · 07/08/2025 13:48

Where I live is very popular with cyclists and horse riders. I myself was a cyclist all my life until I injured my back last year.

Never had any issue with a horse rider. It is always the cyclists and it’s the ones that cycle in packs and regardless of the Highway Code I think it’s daft they cycle two abreast. Lots of windy and difficult lanes near me.

I suppose the biggest difference that I notice is groups of horse riders tend to be women and groups of cyclists tend to be men.

I do not mind being held up by cyclists as long as they are in single file.

GinAndJuice99 · 07/08/2025 13:23

Catladywithoutacat · 07/08/2025 13:15

I don’t like cyclist because most people don’t seem to know how to cycle. They race down those cycle lanes when people cross the road I have seen a woman be hit, they can hit you and ride off into the wind.

I don’t mind horse riders I like horses

And how do you feel about drivers, who speed, go through lights, hit and run, kill people every day?

You probably don't feel the same because you drive and therefore it's not 'drivers' it's 'bad drivers'.

In reality serious accidents caused by cyclists are incredibly rare and disliking them as a group is irrational and fuelled by the media.

Catladywithoutacat · 07/08/2025 13:15

I don’t like cyclist because most people don’t seem to know how to cycle. They race down those cycle lanes when people cross the road I have seen a woman be hit, they can hit you and ride off into the wind.

I don’t mind horse riders I like horses

GinAndJuice99 · 07/08/2025 13:14

I cycle and drive and as a driver I've never once been annoyed by a cyclist. Not a single time in 15 years of driving. I'm just patient and give plenty of room and everyone's happy. Whereas when cycling I've had hundreds of negative encounters with careless or aggressive drivers down the years.

I think a lot of drivers get their opinions from other people and don't think for themselves based on their actual experience. Or their bad driving causes the problem.

TheSwarm · 07/08/2025 13:14

Gloriia · 07/08/2025 13:06

Didn’t you read this by pp? Only at 12.19 today so not like it was pages before.

'Tripe , a cyclist hit my near side front door , cost 1200 pounds ,the lycra clad twit said no l have no money so went to court and he did not pay so my insurance sent bailiffs round took all his goods and his bike to pay for my car door , when he hit me l was stood handbrake on engine off even a city car is big enough to see , charged with dangerous cycling and the court took his driving licence away . It needs to be mandatory for cyclist to have insurance and a riding license as well '

Many cyclists won't have a few hundred or a couple of grand spare to pay for dents caused by their carelessness.

I read it. My point still stands. Most cycle accidents don't result in £1200 worth of damage.

You understand how insurance works, right? It only makes financial sense to the insurance companies and to the customers if there is a cost/benefit to having insurance in the first place for a sufficiently large population.

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