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The hatred towards cyclists/horse riders etc

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RH1234 · 06/08/2025 17:53

Following on from a conversation on another thread; AIBU to think that the hatred towards all cyclists/other road users I.e. horses is completely atrocious and unjustified.

Lots of people will make comments about “I bet they were in Lycra”, “I dislike road cyclists”, “they don’t even pay road tax”.

My question is not; do you hate cyclists. My question is why do you hate me someone you have not met) as a cyclist?

For perspective:

  1. I pay VED (Road tax doesn’t exist) on 3 vehicles.
  2. I have insurance for my bikes - which includes public liability etc. My cycle insurance is genuinely more expensive than my car, I also have free insurance through British Cycling.
  3. I don’t run red lights (for transparency, I have been through one red light, floor sensors don’t pick up carbon fibre, it was 5am, after waiting a few minutes, with no cars I went through)
  4. I cycle an average of 19-23mph, I can overtake tractors near me, I’m smaller than a tractor surely you can pass me.
  5. I do ride two abreast if in a group, but if passing is difficult, as per the Highway Code we ensure you can pass when safe.
  6. When riding on my own, I wave cars past so they can often go before they can see.
  7. Yes I wear Lycra - but you try cycling 100 miles without decent chamois in place. I won’t mention leg hair as that’s a whole different subject for you.
  8. My wife use to love cycling, but won’t ride on the road now due to the drivers attitudes.

AIBU to be annoyed that I don’t do any of the things people moan about, yet people will hate me, some people will hurl abuse, some people will literally try and drive me off the road (luckily not that often for the last one)

All I want is, to enjoy the sport I’m love, get fit and then spend the time with my family. Yet my wife has said to me, she is anxious when I’m out and follows me on find my iPhone, because she’s terrified someone will one day leave me for dead in a ditch.

Surely a two minute delay is not unreasonable? I don’t judge based on hobbies or backgrounds, why am I judged?

AIBU in thinking that those who state they hate cyclists clearly are either media influenced or just plain horrible people.

Apologies, this has turned into more of a rant than a AIBU, but I’m sure you get the gist.

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FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 18:49

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:43

Granted the last statement is a bit exaggerated, no doubt.
My point is that there’s is a portion of the population who feel it’s amazing when a cyclist is hit, or will justify it. Social media is renowned for it.

I was curious as to why my life is worth less compared to another (I know it’s not, just to clarify).

Edited

I don't know anyone that feels amazing when a cyclist is hit.
As for justifying it some (as we have done) will point out when its not just the car at fault.
As for social media it has more than its fair share of dickheads, wankers and trolls that post just to piss people off. Look at the current Euros win. how many are just posting to piss people off.

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:43

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:33

I think you’re getting a little hyperbolic now. But I am sorry that you and your wife have been made to feel unsafe, I don’t like aggression in any shape or form.

Granted the last statement is a bit exaggerated, no doubt.
My point is that there’s is a portion of the population who feel it’s amazing when a cyclist is hit, or will justify it. Social media is renowned for it.

I was curious as to why my life is worth less compared to another (I know it’s not, just to clarify).

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Mimbl · 07/08/2025 18:43

I don't hate you (or all cyclists) at all, and am in much the same situation as your wife. I think, though, for most road users, it does come down to the difference in speed. To a driver, a cyclist is a hazard and because they have to react, adjust, make additional decisions, and concentrate specifically when one is around, they become an annoyance, like when cars park on bends and make it difficult to see if you can move out to get around, or when kids dart into the road. It is more taxing and in each case you're slightly anxious about there being a negative outcome.

dizzydizzydizzy · 07/08/2025 18:41

OneAquaGoose · 06/08/2025 18:32

There are miles of cycle paths where I live. Never see anyone on them but every weekend there is a stream of cyclists on the road that runs next to the paths. These were put in at huge cost to the taxpayer.

You may be considerate cyclist but the one that rode straight at me pushing my DS in his pram and the other who cycled through a no-entry sign as pregnant me crossed the road….

It may be because the cycle paths are unusable. There is one by me along an A-road. It has broken glass and grit on it, low overhanging trees (so much so that I have to get off my bike to pass under them) and the cycle path randomly weaves back onto the road without warning to either the road users or the cycle track users. There are also many many side roads and every time the cycle path crosses one, the cyclist has to stop - which means getting from A to B takes a ridiculous amount of time.

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:41

Ponderingwindow · 07/08/2025 18:38

If you are on a shared path, you need to slow down to a speed that you can pass safely and widely enough without needing to ring your bell.

Many paths are not wide enough to do this. Have a look at the one in the article shared by the OP as an example.

Matronic6 · 07/08/2025 18:40

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:35

Assuming you are in the UK, I would assume you would go left as well...

Why would you assume that?

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:39

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 18:37

Except that the cyclist doesn't know anything about the person that they are ringing the bell at, they could be deaf, they could be wearing ear pods.
By all means ring your bell, sound your horn but if you have to slam the brakes on to stop or you can't maneuver around them without slamming the brakes on or sliding to a halt you are going to fast.

Agreed.

Swoopingswift · 07/08/2025 18:39

TheaBrandt1 · 07/08/2025 18:08

Dh has cycled in many countries- it’s only the English that aggressive and awful to cyclists 😳. He cycled the length of France without one incident from a driver not one. In England it’s vile abuse and swerving at him. So depressing.

Cycling in the Netherlands is a joy. There are dedicated bike lanes everywhere, and separate traffic lights for bikes / pedestrians / cars.
Roundabouts have special cycle lanes (in the UK I refuse to cycle on a roundabout).

Car drivers always stop for cyclists and pedestrians.
Everyone seems to cycle - old people, kids, cargo bikes for deliveries, etc. I never felt I was being a nuisance.

In the city centre where we stayed it was all bikes, no cars.
And yes cyclists frequently ring their bells to alert you they are there. I got used to it once I realised they weren’t being rude.

I don’t know the overall impact this must have on pollution and health in the Netherlands, but it must be significant.
We didn’t see many obese people…

The trouble in the UK is that cyclists have to share the road with cars, which is just not safe, and we are a very car-centric society. How many shopping centres or new housing estates are built with separate bike lanes, decent amount of bike parking etc?

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:39

Ponderingwindow · 07/08/2025 18:32

Not all of us have quick, calm reflexes. This is ableist thinking.

it is the responsibility of the cyclist to presume that the pedestrian will not be able to move and may even behave erratically.

I expect that most people who are out for a walk are able to step to the side. But yes, cyclists should give plenty of time and space just in case. I don't really understand why so many pedestrians are surprised by cyclists on a shared path though. You don't need quick reflexes to react to something that is expected to be there.

Ponderingwindow · 07/08/2025 18:38

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:33

Cyclists should travel at a speed appropriate to the terrain. I agree with you there. But, if you are on a shared path, you need to be prepared to make space for cyclists to pass. There is nothing wrong with a cyclist ringing their bell to let you know they are behind you so you can move to the side.

If you are on a shared path, you need to slow down to a speed that you can pass safely and widely enough without needing to ring your bell.

FrippEnos · 07/08/2025 18:37

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:33

Cyclists should travel at a speed appropriate to the terrain. I agree with you there. But, if you are on a shared path, you need to be prepared to make space for cyclists to pass. There is nothing wrong with a cyclist ringing their bell to let you know they are behind you so you can move to the side.

Except that the cyclist doesn't know anything about the person that they are ringing the bell at, they could be deaf, they could be wearing ear pods.
By all means ring your bell, sound your horn but if you have to slam the brakes on to stop or you can't maneuver around them without slamming the brakes on or sliding to a halt you are going to fast.

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:36

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:33

Cyclists should travel at a speed appropriate to the terrain. I agree with you there. But, if you are on a shared path, you need to be prepared to make space for cyclists to pass. There is nothing wrong with a cyclist ringing their bell to let you know they are behind you so you can move to the side.

The point is that there is not always safe to move aside quickly on a narrow path. Especially with young kids. The most sensible option is for the bike to slow down until there is space to overtake. Like a car should do. Inconsiderate joggers can be just as much of a pain too tbh but less chance of getting run over by them!

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:35

Matronic6 · 07/08/2025 18:30

This doesn't always work. I was walking on the canal with a toddler and a buggy when I heard a ding of a bell behind me. So I moved all of us closer into the side we were walking on giving the cyclist more space on the free side to pass.

For some reason, she expected me to have eyes on the back of my head and to move a metre to the left instead of her simply changing her path and cycling around us. She came up right behind and had to skid to a stop to avoid hitting us. Some cyclists, like road users, are just thoughtless idiots.

Assuming you are in the UK, I would assume you would go left as well...

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:33

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:29

That was never a question really, it’s very obvious that there’s good and bad on both sides.

My original post was more around, why when I do everything in my power to be courteous, safe and rule abiding do people still actively become abusing and suddenly want to kill be in their metal box.

I just wanted to understand the justification behind why I deserved to not see my wife and daughter ever again, and the most common denominator is because I might delay someone briefly.

I think you’re getting a little hyperbolic now. But I am sorry that you and your wife have been made to feel unsafe, I don’t like aggression in any shape or form.

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:33

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:29

if a bike is travelling quickly with no intention of slowing down then there isn’t time to ‘calmly’ do anything especially manoeuvring small kids and a buggy. How about the cyclist “calmly” adjusts their speed to accommodate other users in the same way I would in my car around bikes/horses on a road?

Cyclists should travel at a speed appropriate to the terrain. I agree with you there. But, if you are on a shared path, you need to be prepared to make space for cyclists to pass. There is nothing wrong with a cyclist ringing their bell to let you know they are behind you so you can move to the side.

Ponderingwindow · 07/08/2025 18:32

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:18

How about, instead of jumping into bushes, you just calmly move to one side and allow them to pass?

Not all of us have quick, calm reflexes. This is ableist thinking.

it is the responsibility of the cyclist to presume that the pedestrian will not be able to move and may even behave erratically.

Matronic6 · 07/08/2025 18:30

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:18

How about, instead of jumping into bushes, you just calmly move to one side and allow them to pass?

This doesn't always work. I was walking on the canal with a toddler and a buggy when I heard a ding of a bell behind me. So I moved all of us closer into the side we were walking on giving the cyclist more space on the free side to pass.

For some reason, she expected me to have eyes on the back of my head and to move a metre to the left instead of her simply changing her path and cycling around us. She came up right behind and had to skid to a stop to avoid hitting us. Some cyclists, like road users, are just thoughtless idiots.

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:29

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:23

so we can agree then that some drivers and some cyclists are dickheads. Therefore it’s not that there’s a vendetta against cyclists but that just humans in general can be pretty shitty 🤷‍♀️

That was never a question really, it’s very obvious that there’s good and bad on both sides.

My original post was more around, why when I do everything in my power to be courteous, safe and rule abiding do people still actively become abusing and suddenly want to kill be in their metal box.

I just wanted to understand the justification behind why I deserved to not see my wife and daughter ever again, and the most common denominator is because I might delay someone briefly.

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ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:29

OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:18

How about, instead of jumping into bushes, you just calmly move to one side and allow them to pass?

if a bike is travelling quickly with no intention of slowing down then there isn’t time to ‘calmly’ do anything especially manoeuvring small kids and a buggy. How about the cyclist “calmly” adjusts their speed to accommodate other users in the same way I would in my car around bikes/horses on a road?

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:23

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:19

Agreed there are bad cyclists, and awful for you and your kids. I don’t actually ride towpaths as I know I ride too fast for them.

Just to point out your last sentence, thats an extremely common occurrence on the roads… hence my thread.

so we can agree then that some drivers and some cyclists are dickheads. Therefore it’s not that there’s a vendetta against cyclists but that just humans in general can be pretty shitty 🤷‍♀️

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:19

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:13

I don’t hate cyclists when I’m driving but don’t get me started on cyclists when I’m walking along my local canal towpath. Everyday some twat will shout or ring a bell (if I’m lucky) and expect me and my kids to jump into the nearest bush so as to avoid the cyclist having to adjust their speed or god forbid even stop. Can you imagine if a car refused to slow down and just honked their horn obnoxiously behind a bike and expected them to get off the road.

Agreed there are bad cyclists, and awful for you and your kids. I don’t actually ride towpaths as I know I ride too fast for them.

Just to point out your last sentence, thats an extremely common occurrence on the roads… hence my thread.

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OakAshRowan · 07/08/2025 18:18

ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:13

I don’t hate cyclists when I’m driving but don’t get me started on cyclists when I’m walking along my local canal towpath. Everyday some twat will shout or ring a bell (if I’m lucky) and expect me and my kids to jump into the nearest bush so as to avoid the cyclist having to adjust their speed or god forbid even stop. Can you imagine if a car refused to slow down and just honked their horn obnoxiously behind a bike and expected them to get off the road.

How about, instead of jumping into bushes, you just calmly move to one side and allow them to pass?

RH1234 · 07/08/2025 18:15

TheaBrandt1 · 07/08/2025 18:08

Dh has cycled in many countries- it’s only the English that aggressive and awful to cyclists 😳. He cycled the length of France without one incident from a driver not one. In England it’s vile abuse and swerving at him. So depressing.

I lived in Spain for a while, cycled all the time, as your DH, never had a problem on any road.

I was hit by a car once, they gave me a lift home with my bike and paid for all the bike repairs (around £500), not once did they say, sorry you were a hazard.

As soon as a person identifies as a cyclist, they are the problem apparently, as demonstrated in this thread by many people.

So maybe, whilst I am a cyclist, a MAMIL (just short of middle aged but I’ll take it), a Lycra warrior, and all the others, maybe I should just identify as a car, that will solve it all.

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ElevenBells · 07/08/2025 18:13

I don’t hate cyclists when I’m driving but don’t get me started on cyclists when I’m walking along my local canal towpath. Everyday some twat will shout or ring a bell (if I’m lucky) and expect me and my kids to jump into the nearest bush so as to avoid the cyclist having to adjust their speed or god forbid even stop. Can you imagine if a car refused to slow down and just honked their horn obnoxiously behind a bike and expected them to get off the road.

TheaBrandt1 · 07/08/2025 18:08

Dh has cycled in many countries- it’s only the English that aggressive and awful to cyclists 😳. He cycled the length of France without one incident from a driver not one. In England it’s vile abuse and swerving at him. So depressing.